The CRTC Getting An Earful Growing support for network neutrality, privacy... Canadian regulators haven't been particularly sympathetic to the plight of smaller ISPs or the issue of network neutrality -- in part because, much like in the States, the regulatory agency is stocked with incumbent executives and lobbyists being endlessly lobbied by incumbent executives and lobbyists. However, Canadian Law Professor Michael Geist points to several pro-consumer developments in Canada this week, including a submission (zipped pdfs) by the Government of British Columbia in favor of network neutrality, calling it "the bedrock upon which the Internet rests." The week also saw the Privacy Commissioner of Canada showing significant concern over the use of deep packet inspection (discussed at length in our forums). Since Bell Canada's throttling of independent ISPs (without telling them) last March, Canada's become a hotbed of network neutrality debate. That's impressive, considering that this time last year -- the idea was largely foreign to the Canadian public.
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 | | Hopefully.... the Canadian regulators will listen ....if only we could ask as much | |
|  |  milnoc join:2001-03-05 H3B kudos:1 | Re: Hopefully.... If the current new media hearings are any indication, they are. They've been asking excellent questions to the presenters, sometimes catching them off guard.
Also, it's obvious the CRTC hasn't closed the books on our concerns over the internet. If they wanted to stonewall the issue after delivering their Part VII decision, they never would have called for these new hearings in the first place.
So there's still hope all this will be resolved in our favour. But that will only happen once the consumer oriented groups stop being so damn sloppy and start doing proper presentations in front of the CRTC. In the current new media hearings, these groups have been delivering high school grade presentations while the incumbent broadcasters and telcos consistently delivered proper, professional presentations time and time again. | |
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| Re: Hopefully.... said by milnoc: In the current new media hearings, these groups have been delivering high school grade presentations while the incumbent broadcasters and telcos consistently delivered proper, professional presentations time and time again. Amazing what money can buy eh? | |
|  |  |  |  milnoc join:2001-03-05 H3B kudos:1 | Re: Hopefully.... You don't need money to be a good presenter. All you really need is a good script and plenty of practice. Too often, the consumer oriented groups have neither. And it's hurting all of us. | |
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 |  | | said by S_engineer:the Canadian regulators will listen ....if only we could ask as much Yes, they'll listen if you have a cool million or so to line their pockets with.. They couldn't give 2 shits about the Canadian People.. We're not the ones buying them lavish vacations and tee times at the hottest courses.. We're just the poor bastards that pay taxes.. | |
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 IHMPremium,VIP join:2001-12-18 Hamilton, ON | But they've done such a great job so far The CRTC has done such a great job of administering our broadcasting services, I can't wait for them to get more involved in our Internet. [/sarcasm]
Be careful what you wish for... -- 2 Large Bunnies...1 Dead Penguin | |
|  |  otty join:2008-10-24 Revelstoke, BC | Re: But they've done such a great job so far Too late they're already involved. Time to make the best of it and do some lobbying ourselves! | |
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 R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP join:2005-05-19 Chatham, ON | Should be intersting! Thinking 2009 will have some interesting flares/bumps/discussions/results/craziness/etc, when discussing Canadian Internet and Network Management in general... Looking forward to it!
One thing is for sure, we're not done with the flares! | |
|  |  milnoc join:2001-03-05 H3B kudos:1 | Re: Should be intersting! Is the CRTC aware that we have a way to bypass Bell's current throttling practices? | |
|  |  |  El Quintron... a faint odor of kerosenePremium join:2008-04-28 Etobicoke, ON kudos:2 | Re: Should be intersting! Bypassing doesn't count as far as the CRTC is concerned. They're only concerned whether there is a law or not.
Just like drug laws have curbed drug use, throttling is sure to stop piracy! -- Brought to you by the letter R | |
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 | | give in. end it This may sound dumb, but I say gieve everyone what they want in regards to the new Media hearings. A 2.5% levy. Lock the levy in for 20-years. The levy then gets spilt between new canadian media and the CRIA/hollywood lobbies. End of story. End of the piracy bullshit.
On the neutrality front, remove the throttle that singles out one protocol, and do more or less what comcast is doing (or said they would do), but only on people who exceed the B/W that comes with their paid for package (after all these ISP's seel a service and advertize a service based on speed and B/W). They should be held accountable to that. | |
|  |  Thrudd join:2004-06-21 Mississauga, ON | Re: give in. end it Are you suggesting they use the ]*gasp* model that usenet providers have been using all this time?
Max bandwidth/throughput with a throttle down once a predetermined limit has been reached.
My god man that would make way too much sense and forthought on their part. It will never happen until a government comes in asking nicely while swinging a sledgehammer at all the rats popping up. | |
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On the neutrality front, remove the throttle that singles out one protocol, and do more or less what comcast is doing (or said they would do), but only on people who exceed the B/W that comes with their paid for package (after all these ISP's seel a service and advertize a service based on speed and B/W). They should be held accountable to that.
Great point! Here in the U.S. you have DSL / Cable providers that are selling consumers one service, but delivering another... throttling speeds, subjectively limiting access to parts of the Internet, etc.
Companies such as Comcast don't want their customers connecting to 3rd party content/services, they want them connecting to stuff that's offered by Comcast or Comcast's partners.
By throttling connections, or establishing unreasonable download caps (Time Warner's new plan for 5GB-40GB caps) they're effectively discouraging the use of 3rd party sites.
For what it's worth I thought the following articles we're interesting...
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 | | Doesn't Matter... This company is going to Zero, one canceled subscriber at a time. | |
|  | | at the second guy up NO NO and NO. why cause A) they will just want MORE MORE MORE. Remember that copyrights were created to give the artist SOME value for his ART ( KEYWORD ART ) these are not artists they are business men bent on dominating every penny and dollar they can out of your wallets in a bad economic time, that they have created due to there greed already.
The way to do this is if your an artist you register with a Canadian agency, and that gov't agency will show you how to make a torrent and advertise your stuff, put up a track put it all , put your software demo or game, and remember if you make a multiplayer game it has to be hosted somewhere and you have the servers. as to software like apps GO OPEN SOURCE PEOPLE , already true artists contribute to these softwares because of money....no, because of love and care to get something that works and is cheaper.
applying this to movies and music is what will happen , you cannot fight it, if you are rich and wish to make somehting then do it, otherwise don't expect it to be a business investment, art is meant to be appreciated and when you remove that in favor of making a buck you get ....the perfect example TV. Go ahead and look at whats the most popular RIGHT now. Is it survivor? no, its SCI FI. AND the fact is after Atlantis and battle star galactica are over that's it, nothing good to replace that, just like the movie syndrome its all gone dark and no more quality.
The solution is to use the internet like Google does as adverting , its what it can be for as well as a design to share those files and stuff about. IT IS NOT for products to be sold as like open source if i give you an operating system free , you can try and sell it , as that wont work cause if someone else finds out they will feel you ripped them off and they can after all go get it free.
AND another note i once bought a game called diablo II it was the last thing i bought software wise for a computer. WHY? 1st off i'd not even have known of it except for p2p. Second i wanted to try the online experience and so went out and got the box set which included a surprise expansion and manuals and maps and woa nice work there blizzard. With DRM continuing to fail, i see no reason to even bother all the games get cracked anyways, so why spend millions on it, they think wrongly that one day they will figure out how to lock it all up so they march that way , they do so in cabals of companies in secret with the knowledge that one day they will have total control.
FRAK ME, its a game for god's sake not the NSA secret mission files to mars. they are treating us all like we already are terrorists and we lose rights to privacy and freedom every day because a there greed.
When will the rest of you wake up and realize you need to get out there and start talking about it more. THEY only come here to see whom they should pick on and harrass. | |
|  AkFubarNothing is more constant than change join:2005-02-28 Toronto CAN. | The CRTC Getting An Earful Hopefully some of this will sink into those turkeys. The CRTC needs to hear it and wear it! -- "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai | |
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