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join:2006-09-02 | Hmmm... Missed all the 1080P pirated content. DVD rips are common but haven't seem any 1080P stuff yet and at 25GB+ each I probably won't for a while. | |
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| Re: Hmmm... meh 1080p isnt that good that im going to buy two DVD players. call me when i can get a dual format HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player for 90 bucks down at the best buy. or one format wins out and sells players at walmart prices.
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join:2006-09-02 | Re: Hmmm... I would imagine the bulk of Blu-Ray owners will be PS3 users. | |
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| Re: Hmmm... said by squid7  :I would imagine the bulk of Blu-Ray owners will be PS3 users. Chances are next to nil - serious HT owners won't put a PS3 into their system and current Blu-Ray titles truly inferior to HD-DVDs, despite BR still uses the old MPEG2... | |
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3 edits | Re: Hmmm... said by kamm :said by squid7 :I would imagine the bulk of Blu-Ray owners will be PS3 users. Chances are next to nil - serious HT owners won't put a PS3 into their system and current Blu-Ray titles truly inferior to HD-DVDs, despite BR still uses the old MPEG2... With nearly 400,000 PS3's already sold and more going out every day as they catch up with demand, I would still say the bulk of Blu-Ray owners are PS3 users. As for serious HT owners, most consumers of video aren't "serious" hometheater addicts and with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD being available for rent (unlike DVHS) there is no reason why these formats would be used mainly by enthusiasts. It will be all about the price of the players which is coming down for both formats and the content available for each format. | |
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| Re: Hmmm... Nobody 'normal' is going to shell out 200 or more for a player until the war is over. And even then, they will be hesitant because of all the drm. "I can't watch this thing on my next gen ipod/apple notebook on by 12 hour filght why? My player has to connect to the internet for what reason? I cant backup my disc, huh?" The jump in quality from dvd to hdvd is cool, but its not cool enough to make the regular person jump up and say 'I need this'. dvd audio anyone? | |
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join:2005-03-09
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| Re: Hmmm... And no one normal would spend 600 bucks for a POS gaming system. I know of 3 people who got'em then took them back. TOO MUCH MONEY and using the excuse.. "but it plays blue rays".. just goes to show that we need to get all these people in one spot and call in a air strike.. | |
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join:2006-08-28
Avis, PA | You must not be looking in the right places then, I done a search for 1080p and returned at least 50 different things, many of them TV shows, but still, there is 1080p stuff out there, most clocks in at around 12 to 26GB. | |
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| Re: Hmmm... said by vinnie97 :TV shows at 1080p? Broadcasts aren't even greater than 720p currently... It depends on the network. OTA here in LA Fox may be 720P but others like PBS and CBS are 1920x1080i. I don't know what the individual shows are though. | |
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| said by vinnie97 :TV shows at 1080p? Broadcasts aren't even greater than 720p currently... CW (e.g., Smallville, Supernatural, etc.) are 1080i | |
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1 edit | Re: Hmmm... Any 1080i content that originated from film (i.e., almost all HD TV shows) can be straightforwardly converted back to 1080p/24 (and 1080p/48 with frame doubling) via reverse-pulldown deinterlacing. CBS even calls their HD broadcasts "1080 lines, interlacing and progressive".
I'm not surprised at the article. Most "netheads" seem not to care about HD. Maybe because alot of them watch their content on 19" monitor screens? On tiny screens like that, SD DVD's are good enough. | |
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| Re: Hmmm... said by PDXPLT :Any 1080i content that originated from film (i.e., almost all HD TV shows) can be straightforwardly converted back to 1080p/24 (and 1080p/48 with frame doubling) via reverse-pulldown deinterlacing. CBS even calls their HD broadcasts "1080 lines, interlacing and progressive". I'm not surprised at the article. Most "netheads" seem not to care about HD. Maybe because alot of them watch their content on 19" monitor screens? On tiny screens like that, SD DVD's are good enough. Or 17" CRT for me with my HDTV tuner card (don't have a HDTV). | |
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Murrieta, CA | 1080p requires too much bandwidth, broadcasters aren't touching it. People will have to get their fill on xbox360/ps3 and bluray/hddvd for their progressive content... | |
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| Re: Hmmm... said by djrobx :I love my HDTV content. I can definitely see that HDTV is better than DVD quality video. That said, DVD quality is "good enough" on my 50" plasma. I'm in no rush to go out and buy Blu Ray or HD-DVD. 1080p is nice but probably unimportant unless you have a really, really big screen. You have a 50" plasma, and DVD-quality (480p) is *good enough"?
Something is Seriously Wrong here.
I have a 42" plasma (specifically, Philips' 42PF7320A), and, when compared heads-up with 720p or 1080i, 480p (let alone 480i) is definitely NOT "good enough". I absolutely will not watch sports OTA in SD when the HD Option (whether 720p or 1080i) is available locally (fortunately, this actually applies to most OTA sports). The same applies to network programming, and even *local news programming* (we have one station in Washington, DC that does all six hours of local news in 1080i and 1080i trumps 480i, even for news). Not interested in BR (however, that is primarily a pricing decision in my case), but I will be buying an HD DVD player when I can. What you should do is, when possible, compare an SD vs. HD telecast of your favorite programming (truly A vs. B) and let your eyeballs judge. It is almost certain that you won't willingly *settle* for non-HD ever again. | |
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The quality debate and it's related data about this stuff are the same as sustained transfer rates for hard drives and maximum download rates for internet service: a cute set of numerals which mean scarcely a damn thing in the real world. Only the most absurdly wealthy, spendthrifty videophiles will notice the slightest difference between any of the dvd video formats. | |
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join:2005-04-07
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| Re: Hmmm... I think the difference would be subtle, but noticeable at that size and distance.
Here's the big one though. I can see the difference and would be pestered by it, however I'm nuts about that stuff. My girlfriend would just say "that looks nice" to either 720, 1080i or even 1080 progressive .
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join:2001-02-14
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| said by squid7 :Missed all the 1080P pirated content. DVD rips are common but haven't seem any 1080P stuff yet and at 25GB+ each I probably won't for a while. 1. Most of the nextgen HD is still 1080i transfer. In fact the first HD-DVD player with 1080p is just about to be released.
Blu-Ray is even worst, a now-show so far, negligible sales compared to HD-DVD.
2. You might have missed but I have all the 007 in HD, all form the net. I also have 1080p from the same source.
3. Size is stupidest comment: since when 25GB is a serious thing? I have 10Mb here now but even on a 3 Mbit it takes only few days to download... | |
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1 edit | Re: Hmmm... Huh? Despite unit shortages, Sony has sold nearly 200,000 PS3's in the US and nearly 200,000 units in Japan in the first few months of release, and all are 1080P Blu-Ray equipped (via HDMI).
As for HD-DVD 1080P, the cheapest HD DVD drive available, the XBOX 360's HD DVD drive already supports 1080P content via VGA and a recent SW update from what I read.
As far as bandwidth, most people don't have 10Mb service and some of those that do, like me (at 12Mb) are limited to 40-60GB a month making HD downloads difficult to do in any quantity even if they're willing to wait DAYS to grab a single title. | |
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| Most nextgen HD content are movies and are 1080p @ 24 fps. This applies to HD DVD as well as Blu-Ray. The current generation of players for both HD DVD and Blu-Ray support 1080p.
Of course, size matters. Unless you have a HD DVD or Blu-Ray recorder, what are you going to archive your 25GB pirated movie on? | |
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join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA
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| You haven't looked hard enough.
1080P pirate material is out there. But you are right, the size is insane. Even with a reasonably fast connection you will spend several hours on a single film.
IMHO, you can't say pirates have won UNLESS these next generation copy protection schemes are completely and utterly broken to the point where I can dub a HD or BD disc and the other person can play it with no catches in-between.
Until such time...
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1 edit | said by squid7 :Missed all the 1080P pirated content. DVD rips are common but haven't seem any 1080P stuff yet and at 25GB+ each I probably won't for a while. This is because there are no 1080p broadcasts.
There are tons of movies out there that are aired in 720p and 1080i that haven't even MADE IT to HD DVD and bluray. There are tons of people who wouldn't even mind the DRM bullshit if they could just get the movie that's been pirated, and out in HDTV on usenet/FTPs for the last two years on HDDVD or bluray.
Downloading a 25 GB file is rough, but weigh that against the amount of time it'll take The Shawshank Redemption to come out in bluray/HDDVD.. I own and love this movie on DVD, and would love it in HDDVD or bluray, but it hasn't come out in HD yet. I've had a "special" HD copy of it from the internet for over six months now.
Piracy doesn't have to win because it's easier, or because it's free. It wins because it's there where the legit content is seriously lacking.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | we need a firm HD resolution standard. 720p 1080i 1080p is infact quite confusing to your typical buying a TV set at Best Buy consumer.
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We already have one. ATSC calls for 720p or 1080i. 1080p is not even part of the specification. Those hoping for broadcasters to start 1080p feeds are dreaming. | |
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Calgary, AB | ...dreaming in technicolor. 1080p is waste of cash, and when I see someone with such a setup, I know they have more money than sense | |
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join:2002-02-10
Dallas, TX
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| lots of 720p x264 stuff out there from Euro Sat rips.. good quality too.
Problem: I can only get Battlestar Galactica in Standard Def where I'm at. Via internet I can get it better quality and with more viewing options.
Question: Morally speaking, is it wrong for me to download a show from the net when I'm receiving it via a paid subscription on another media format in the first place? | |
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join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY
| DUH! Disks can be scratched and then their no good.. however a file can be backed up onto many different mediums, takes up less space, and if the format of the video (regular video to HD for example) changes you dont need a completely new device.. just a new video card if that | |
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join:2004-04-16
Canada | Re: DUH! Stop scratching your discs, DUH!
And if the standards change, that doesn't mean you have to change any of your current hardware to play that same old video.
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| Re: DUH! stop scratching your discs said by flotknot :You obviously have never had children. You obviously have no control over your children.
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Come get some
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clubs: | Piracy will continue to win until... Piracy will continue to win until the suckers wise up, offer a sensible solution with pricing and no DRM. | |
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I still say the optimum that would leave the thieves, er, excuse me I should say pirates I suppose, no excuse such as too expensive, too much crap to buy on an album to get one or two decent cuts, would be both in-store and on-line purchase ability al a cart. That is, you go and order up the tunes/movies/shows you want on an individual basis, pay a reasonable price for them and get a custom built CD/DVD at the brick-and-mortar store or download for burning on line.
I've even talked to record shop owners who thought the idea was great, but of course RIAA and all the others would never dream of actually providing that kind of custom sales ability.
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Calgary, AB | Re: Piracy will continue to win until... The business model is simple. Law enforcement combined with hardware level drm. When its at the hardware level, the best your going to get is handicam analog quality rips, and whose going to risk jail for that. | |
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Los Angeles, CA | Re: Piracy will continue to win until... they tried that already and failed. Remember man created it, man can crack it. | |
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Louisville, KY | yes drm is bad.. why is it bad? because people dont want to be told what they can and cannot do with something | |
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| Re: Just another pro thief rant from "the Inquirer" They are only "pro thief" to the extent that they prefer copyright infringement to the insanity the industry is trying to force on us.
What they are ultimately arguing for is eminently reasonable and not at all a radical anti-business position: that customers don't exist for businesses. Businesses exist to find ways to meet the demands of customers. Those businesses that don't should, in a sane world, disappear and be replaced by those that do, not use their oligopoly power and corruption of the political process to maintain a business that the market wants to sweep aside.
The market is quite clear on what it wants and it isn't material that doesn't cost anything. It does however want material conveniently and abundantly available, unencumbered and accessible when the customer wants it and in the way the customer wants it.
Customers are willing to compensate businesses for building such an environment and there are a lot of small businesses out there trying to build such an environment, stomped and strangled at every turn by dinosaurs who don't have the adaptability to keep up. | |
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Your tax dollars at work.
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| Enquirer Since when was The Enquirer a good source for news? Their opinions are usually to the extreme and based on feeding a niche over actual fair reporting. I like the "dumb enough" quote. As of the average user, who doesn't know what DRM is or does, buying a product with it, which has a limitation they will never even notice, make them dumb. | |
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Atlanta, GA
1 edit | Re: Enquirer Exactly. The VAST majority of users don't know about or care about DRM. They just want a DVD that works and looks good, which they get.
I understand the gripes of the .000005% of the population that would actually rip an HD-DVD to a hard-drive, but calling people who buy discs "stupid" is ... well ... stupid.
You might as well call people that BitTorrent movies "thieves.." Oh, wait...
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| Re: Enquirer "They just want a DVD that works and looks good, which they get."
But dvd is old tech and the industry wants tighter lock down on new disk formats. So we have multiple formats and delay after delay. Have you ever seriously looked into the complexities of hdcp? Or protected media path issues in vista and the ways your personal computer is going to more closely resemble a closed set top box in future?
The sony rootkit fiasco? Issues with operating systems puking and having to be reactivated because of hardware upgrades made.
You are claiming these things just work? ...? ...?
Perhaps you are claiming it is only because the technology is new and needs to be perfected, but is it possible to reconcile ever tighter control over use AND customer convenience anyway or is it a fools goal? People find ways around limitations. Locking down control for the copyright industries necessarily requires our ever decreasing control over our own machines. | |
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| So Sad... The conversion from VHS to DVD was a necessary step because the "broadband" internet was still maturing. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are way out of reach for most consumers and absolutely confusing for others. They also come at a time where the internet has become many more things than just simple web pages. Movie houses would just be better off in the near future setting up monthly subscriptions to download a limited number of movies each month. Do away with DRM and keep the subscription somewhat reasonable so pirating is not as attractive... | |
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1 edit | Media companies missing the woods for the trees. Ok, poor news source aside (never take what the Inquirer says at face value), the big media companies have been adding tons of restrictions on their digital formats in order to combat piracy. What they've been missing, though, is the huge potential to make tons of money if there were no restrictions.
If DRM were to disappear tomorrow:
- Anyone could buy from iTunes, Napster, etc and put the music on their favorite MP3 player. This would benefit users (like me) whose portable music players aren't iPods and don't support Microsoft's PlaysForSure format. It would also benefit the big media companies, though. Since more people would be able to buy, more people *would* buy and more money would wind up in their pockets.
- Innovative hardware technologies to store and play movies and music could really take off. These would only fuel more demand for movies and music and would increase sales. As an example, there was a story awhile back about a company looking to make a set top box that would rip your DVD collection to an internal hard drive for easy play back. Sure, it was only for the rich (the price tag was somewhere around $10,000), but it was a great idea and, in time, prices would have fallen enough to make it affordable for the average consumer.
Instead of that company making piles of cash, though, the media companies sued them because their device might possibly be used for piracy. I don't know what happened with the lawsuit, but the device never made it to market. (The lawsuit was probably dropped when the company dropped the device.)
Sure, there would be those who would still pirate their movies and music, just as there would still be those who would refuse to pay the asked price for their movies and music and would instead download pirated content. There exists a core group of "pirates" who wouldn't stop pirating even if the recording industry sold non-DRMed 320kbps MP3s for a penny each.
However, that same group includes people who wouldn't think twice about breaking any DRM scheme they are presented with and uploading the content "unprotected." It only takes one person to break the DRM before it spreads across the P2P groups like wildfire.
DRM hasn't worked, isn't working, and will not work. No system will be 100% secure. After all, at some point it needs to play for the viewer/listener. Pirates only needs that 0.001% insecurity to crack the DRM scheme wide open. The media companies spend large amounts of money to "protect" their content, while the pirates simply spend a little free time breaking it.
If I could run the media companies, I would tell them to change their approach as so:
1 - Continue to go after the for-profit pirates. These are the folks who burn a thousand copies of a DVD and then sell them on the street for $2 each. Get the full force of law after these guys.
2 - Accept that a certain amount of piracy will happen. Sure, ideally you would like that every copy out there will have been paid for, but we don't live in an ideal world.
3 - Fight to lower the "not for profit piracy" (e.g. P2P sharing) by making it more attractive to get your content legally. To do this:
a) Drop all DRM schemes. Allow anyone to reverse engineer any existing schemes to free up and previously sold content.
b) Encourage hardware manufacturers to come up with innovative ways to let consumers use the content they buy. That DVD movie storage box was a good idea. I'd buy more DVDs if I knew that I could play them all with a push of a button and without worrying that my toddler would break the discs. I can see having some restrictions on the hardware manufacturers to keep from encouraging people to make copies of their purchased songs/movies for friends, but don't let that block the customers right to use the content for their own personal purposes in any way they see fit.
c) Sell non-DRMed content online. Take advantage of the preference of some customers to get "better versions" by selling higher quality versions for slightly more money. Take a lesson from AllOfMP3 instead of recoiling in horror at them. After all, whether you like them or not, you can't deny that they seem to have gotten something right with the customers.
If media companies were to do all of this, sales would rise and people would buy more hardware and content. I can even see the beginnings of this in some tentative steps by the recording industry to "experiment" with non-DRMed MP3s. (I'd give even odds, though, that they'll find some reason to declare the non-DRM experiment a failure and tighten DRM restrictions instead). | |
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Angralitux
join:2004-05-20
DO
| Ok, then a few questions... if there there aren't any video disc format, how I, the "dumb" user, be able to pirate a movie? I suppose that for piracy to happen, it should be at least 1 legit copy, and there are some out there already predicting the dead of the disc formats that are not out yet
what about downloads, how I'm supposed to pirate a DRM infected file??
maybe, we'll stay with screeners, that look so bad that makes VHS looks like the holy grail 
/Sarcasm off
honestly I don't think DRM is a good thing to end users, but I do believe that tech is changing, so I will embrace the new formats, as will be most of "dumb" users. I don't care for whatever DRM they put on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray as they probably will be bypassed anyway, as happened with DVD copy protection.
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| Re: Ok, then a few questions... said by Angralitux :honestly I don't think DRM is a good thing to end users, but I do believe that tech is changing, so I will embrace the new formats, as will be most of "dumb" users. I don't care for whatever DRM they put on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray as they probably will be bypassed anyway, as happened with DVD copy protection. And once that happens, the cat will be out of the bag, so
to speak. It will get onto the Internet in all the usual
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| congratulation everyone that worked on this project I would like to congratulate everyone that worked on this project  Microsoft will not agree that piracy won, but in time they will see the light at the end of tunnel | |
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Atlanta, GA | Great Article! I read the whole thing and laughed through half of it. Loved it!
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | get the mpaa/riaa to buy the equipment I guess the content will come with FREE media players, because anyone who will buy HD-DVD or BLUE RAY equipment today for the prices that exist today are LOSERS, as the technology will die in it's current form any year now.. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| broadband speeds Yeah right about 1080P over HSI, US broadband speeds arent going to be increasing any time soon, Uverse and FIOS are still microscopic % of market (lets not forget Uverse is 6/1). The market will stagnate and keep speeds slow, faster un-walled garden internet=more piracy according to USA HSI providers, its going to keep online distribution from being anything more than a BS token statistic the FTC/FCC uses to say there is plenty of competition. | |
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kados
Hail Odin
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| let em have drm I say let em keep drm...if it makes them feel better, fine. We will always find a away around it, so who really cares. I have like 150 gigs worth of media I've downloaded, some great hd quality (like the new rocky balboa movie) and some worse than vhs...but who cares, I still watch/listen to it.
the high definition dvd's will be the standard real soon, just like every piece of technology, the price always drops when more are making it and when they find CHEAPER ways. I give it a year, and the next-gen dvd players are under $200 and old style dvd's are a thing of the past, just like casette tapes.
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| Re: let em have drm said by kados :I say let em keep drm...if it makes them feel better, fine. We will always find a away around it, so who really cares. I have like 150 gigs worth of media I've downloaded, some great hd quality (like the new rocky balboa movie) That's pure thievery and YOU are the reason why we have stupid DRMed stuff in the first place. Stop giving them reasons to keep DRM. You should NOT have copy of the new Rocky movie. You certainly didn't pay for it. | |
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join:2004-02-13
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| Musings Whats ironic, is that a TON of HD content isn't even availible for retail purchase even if you had the money for it. Its been this way for years even before blu ray and HD DVD were released.
Yet much of it is out on the net somewhere. Theres a fair amount of demand for product that is not possible to buy retail, or digital distribution.
Its similar in some ways to napster situation. There's TONS of demand for downloading music online, and it took years for the music industry to even attempt to try and meet the demand with online methods. And even now they are trying to kill them off (like trying to get apple to raise its rates).
The music/video industries need to EMBRACE change and offer products in ways that people are demanding, then they can make massive amounts of money. Instead they are resisting change, and trying to stick to old ways.
And they've been like that for a very long time. Like the whole videotape court case that was decided by the supreme court. It was this close to killing off the entire VHS industry. But we lucked out and it survived. And guess what? All the doom and gloom the broadcasting industry was predicting in loss of money from videotapes and people recording and copying shows, didn't happen. Instead they ended up making MASSIVE MASSIVE amounts of money from selling videotape movies. And even today, many movies make more selling home DVD's than what they make on the big screen.
Anyway, they haven't learned anything from history, so they are doomed to repeat it. | |
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| Killing the goose that lays golden eggs said by Devistater :And even now they are trying to kill them off (like trying to get apple to raise its rates). The music/video industries need to EMBRACE change and offer products in ways that people are demanding, then they can make massive amounts of money. Instead they are resisting change, and trying to stick to old ways. You might consider that a lot of industry middlemen are making big money with the present bloated, high overhead system while providing no added value to the delivered product. If you streamline marketing and distribution, their jobs would vanish or go overseas to Bangalore. So, they will fight an efficient and effective distribution model tooth and nail. If they lose, how would they pay for their Lexuses, Malibu beach houses and cocaine?
But there is hope - once Wal-Mart or some other of the 800 pound retailing gorillas start making their way directly to artists and their producers, things will change. The big boxers will negotiate electronic and media distro deals straight up with the artists and leave the traditional channel execs sitting dazed in the middle of a dusty road wondering what the hell just happened.
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| Re: Killing the goose that lays golden eggs Holy crap thats a great idea. I mean after all Walmart sales are a massive percentage of retail music/movie sales. Walmart could make a bunch more money cutting out about 5 bazillion middlemen between them and the artists, and the artists could make more money at the same time. And walmart could have exclusives on albums and make even more sales. | |
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| Yeah, I have to agree with this guy. I have no desire to download a 25+ gig video file, whatsoever, high def or not. However, if my choices were downloading 1 video usable on any PC or MediaCenter PC from Usenet for $10 (or hell, $25 for 'unlimited' access) a month... or buying the same piece of stupid DRM-heavy easy to scratch plastic for $30, which do YOU think I as a savvy consumer would pick?
480i is still good enough for me. Either way... pirates, Blu-ray, HD-DVD... thanks for playing. Wahhh-wahhh-waaaahhhh.
And because you wondered... Yes, I only buy original DVD's when I feel a movie is worth watching (even though the distribution model proponents don't deserve the money). And no, I don't download movies. | |
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| Re: Yeah, I have to agree with this guy. I've downloaded content(anime episodes, granted), that come in at about 500MB/20 minutes, in 720p.
If they were just directly distributing the video feed, they'd be huge. But you don't see that. Instead, you see groups who transcode the video for a higher compression with fairly minimal loss, allowing you to get near-DVD quality in about 1GB.
The H.264 compression, for instance, allows for pretty much lossless compression(doesn't even have color banding, as lower quality would), at a rate of about 1GB/hr, for 720p with AC3 audio.
Even stretching it, you could probably get a 2Hr movie down to.. maybe 6-7GB, for 1080p with full 5.1 AC3 audio. | |
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| stop complaining. I think there are already some DRM removers out there for video games. The whole damn thing is bs. I agree with all the people who say that the DRM is just some way for companies to control the content we have on our computers. Vista is supposed to be loaded with DRMs. I'm just waiting for the DRM removers from coders. There are plenty of people devoted to cracking DRMs. Windows XP was hacked before it came out... Even the newer service packs were hacked in a couple of hours after release. nothing is perfect, especially shit from Microsoft.
For those who also proposed having online sharing content, I say that's quite a solution and is very possible. I'd rather pay 5-10 bucks monthly for a couple of 25gb movies (via downloading from the internet) than 30 bucks for something that's easily lost and can be scratched and have files become corrupt... that's just an inefficient use of hard earned money.
but, i have to say, you guys sound damn spoiled, refusing to watch lower quality video; some of you sound like a bunch of rich punk kids. I'll watch anything with any quality as long as I can distinguish the shapes. By the way, I've got a Pentium D 950 Es at 4.425Ghz, intel 975XBX, 1gb OCZ DDR2 667 RAM, and a 7600GT @ 636//1806mhz. I don't live off crap, but I won't bitch about lower quality video output and performance. I still play games and videos regardless of the video quality. I played FEAR at 800x600, lowest graphics. No complaints, it was fun. Who cares if your res is lower than you want it to be, small blemishes don't affect the story lines of the movies or anything.. get over it. | |
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The DVD Format War is Over
Just another pro thief rant from "the Inquirer"