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| | Covad & Qwest Covad & Qwest are offering naked (dedicated line) DSL for those are in their foorprints. | |
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| Re: Covad & Qwest said by vavoiper:Covad & Qwest are offering naked (dedicated line) DSL for those are in their foorprints. For an extra $30/month...
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| | | | Re: Covad & Qwest Isn't naked Qwest $33 a month, not an extra $30 a month? | |
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| |  pcscdmaChocobo Chocobo Random BattlePremium
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Winterset, IA | said by sholling:For an extra $30/month... That's $10 more than a landline from them. And I even included the extra $7 in bullshit. | |
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| | | | Not Sure where you got your pricing there buddy you might want to go check out »www.qwest.com/dsl and see what the pricing is before you open your mouth. THe price difference between dial tone and no dial tone is $5. | |
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| | | | Not true. It's $10 extra which is a bargain compared to a $30 "naked" dial tone. | |
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|  rwhubertPremium
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Atlanta, GA | Maybe so, but if Covad is still using, for example, BellSouth for their last-mile connections, and BS does not DO naked DSL, where does that leave Covad?
You can call BS and ask them to drop all voice services from your line. This request will get you a snippy response and a citation of their monopoly status over Last Mile connections. What this amounts to is "You must pay for voice services on your line if you want to keep your DSL. Of course, we'd be more than happy to disconnect your line, if you disagree."
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| | | | Re: Covad & Qwest This naked DSL ruling has nothing to do with CLECs offering naked DSL. This just says ILECs can offer their own DSL without a 'naked' option; it doesn't allow them to refuse to lease lines wholesale to the CLECs (though I'm sure that's coming). | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Covad & Qwest I suppose this is good news. If Bellsouth is an ILEC and Covad is a CLEC, then I could dump BS as my last-mile by switching to an ISP that uses Covad. That way, I could eliminate unwanted BS voice services, subscribe to Packet8 VOIP for a flat $20/month for unlimited local and domestic LD ... AND get a DSL speed increase from my current 3mbps with Speedfactory, up to 6 mbps with another carrier such as DSL Extreme that offers Covad connections.
That's provided that you're really close to the CO, which I am, within 1500 cable ft. What the hell am I sitting here typing this for, I should be switching carriers. NO MORE BS FROM BS! | |
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Middle Village, NY |  What a load of horses**t
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: What a load of horses**t ...not sure yet. They haven't stopped moving up yet, but probably will when he takes his next job, which will likely be with some intermediate "consultancy" to put time between the FCC and his eventual destination. When he takes the intermediate job, his final landing zone will have been prepared and quantified.
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End result - line charges are now a separate line item, as the utility now has to pass on the costs directly, and to yet another outside for-profit company. It also takes longer to service lines, as now you have to go through two layers of management to get anything done.
That wasn't the only "bad thing"(TM) to happen with deregulation, but it certainly didn't help. Ironically, the power grid didn't become more reliable as a result. It was already fairly reliable, and for the most part, the same sorts of things that happened before deregulation (traffic accidents, ice storms, squirrels, etc) still happened afterwards.
So, having the lines owned by a separate entity may or may not be a bad idea, but keep in mind that it isn't a perfect panacea. | |
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join:2002-06-18
Dickinson, ND | Love my ISP I have "naked" DSL at home. No extra charge to have no dial tone. Only a small extra charge since I have static IPs. After I got my cell phone I saw no reason to keep my landline and pay the extra $20-30 per month. Asked at the business office and 3 days later dial tone was gone and DSL running smooth.
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Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Don't think they should be forced I don't think companies should be forced to provide naked DSL....
That said, this move by the FCC is a clear violation of the tenth amendment. If I were a state, I would continue enforcing my laws and make the FCC take it to court.
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Arlington, VA | Re: Don't think they should be forced Tenth Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Well, its not really a clear violation. If tenth amendment theory holds water, then the FCC wouldn't exist. This would be very bad in terms of spectrum allocation, etc.
I try to think of the telco as any other business. Say for example an airline didn't fly to a specific destination, yet were required by some regulatory board to sell tickets to competitors at less than the cost of what it actually costs them to fly there. Shouldn't happen.
Capitalism is a good thing, and with the large fiber build up thats about to occur, the telcos are going to need as much money as then can get. Further, the landscape in terms of competitiveness has changed since the law that Powell struck down came into existence. With Cable companies providing phone (VoIP), video, and internet, coupled with the fact that Wireless exists, the law should have been changed. | |
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Banks, OR | Re: Don't think they should be forced I think telecommunications, and radio communications certainly, is considered interstate commerce. That gives Congress the right to pass the Communcations Act of 1934, which created the FCC. | |
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| | | Since the telecommunication companies are coducting business interstate rather than purely intrastate, the FCC regulations [being the regulations of the federal government] would automatically take precedence. | |
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kudos:6 | Re: Don't think they should be forced said by DSL Oberst:Since the telecommunication companies are coducting business interstate rather than purely intrastate, the FCC regulations [being the regulations of the federal government] would automatically take precedence. All fine and well, but even small providers that operate in only one state are subject to FCC regulations. The same is true of small radio stations who have a signal that is not strong enough to reach the state border.
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 richk_1957If ..Then..ElsePremium
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Minas Tirith | What??? Now, I don't need naked DSL but -
If I switch my local telco provider, my DSL line gets cancelled???? | |
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|  MarkyDPremium
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Oklahoma City, OK | Re: What??? said by richk_1957:Now, I don't need naked DSL but - If I switch my local telco provider, my DSL line gets cancelled???? Yes. | |
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 oliphantI Have 8 BoobiesPremium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Same with stupid cable... Shortly after Comcast bought ATTBi we ATTBi HSI (non-CATV) customers started getting a 30% "How dare you not have CATV?" penalty price increase.
It's completely lame, holding a service hostage forcing people to buy the lame unwanted services. Cable and telco fanboys here defend this saying it keeps overall costs down, but why then doesn't the bundling work the other direction? Why don't people pay more for telephone service if they don't have DSL or pay more for CATV if they don't bundle HSI?
Duh, those other services are easy to sell. They don't have to force DSL or HSI on people in order to get subs.
It's a clear violation of antitrust law...using their market position to manipulate competition in another sector of their businesses.
POTS should strictly be sold on it's own merits as should CATV. If these business want to cry foul and that bundling is a "sale", then let bundling work in both directions...and in my case show me the "discount" for those who have both HSI and CATV rather than just the 30% price increase for those with only HSI.
It's all crap and no thanks to that dumbass Powell it will stay that way.
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join:2003-01-31
Fullerton, CA | I've got two cell phones ...and do not need local service via POTS. With Cingular/ATT Wireless(NO complaints,BTW), I have free long distance and rollover minutes, right around 4500 minutes; If I could get a dry pair I could save about $20 per month, but I have to bundle the phone in with the DSL *SIGH*...
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1 edit | Re: matthew world OT OT OT aloha! and mahalo for posting. now exactly what were you trying to do? heres a pic from my last excursion to the islands, sorry its only maui. | |
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: matthew world OT OT OT WTF is this? Some secret posting conveying pixel-based data?
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Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: matthew world OT OT OT it does say OT. i was as curious as you to find out why he posted there. | |
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | I cut the cord, somewhat I couldn't cut the cord totally, so I had to keep the most basic landline service in order to keep my DSL. I pay $8.88 for my landline with nothing included. Even with Sprint adding $10 a month to my DSL cause I don't have phone service, I still save about $20 plus a month. Getting rid of that $8.88 a month would even be added bonus.
I believe it's just a way for the telco's to get extra money. The telco's never wanted customers to drop there landline phone just for a cellphone, they wanted the customer to have both. | |
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San Francisco, CA | The Death of Naked DSL I'm glad this oaf is on his way out. | |
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|  ChiyoSave Me Konata-ChanPremium
join:2003-02-20
Charlotte, NC
kudos:1 | Re: The Death of Naked DSL I've got Naked DSL from qwest. I pay 49.99 for internet before I was paying 43 somthing plus phone charges. so i'm paying less now yeah they raised the rates but I'm happy with Vonage as my phone carrier. So I wanna know how does this affect me I don't want phone service though qwest when I'm not going to use it. | |
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| | | Yeah...he's out all right, but with pockets full of $$ ! and the suckers pay ! Only in America....only in America.... | |
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| | | | Re: The Death of Naked DSL said by Wejo:
Yeah...he's out all right, but with pockets full of $$ ! and the suckers pay ! Only in America....only in America....
Yeah, government officials don't steal from people in other countries...... | |
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| | Naked DSL = Good for the consumer I feel that naked DSL will give the consumer more options and also if you can get naked dsl, you can get Voice over IP (VoIp) and not have to worry about getting local phone service. More options is always a good thing.
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Mechanicsburg, PA | we don't need no stinking landlines! we booted our verizon landline 2 yrs ago. i'll call them & get another one when 45 or 33 speed records, 8-track tapes, and the edsel come back. ha-ha-ha telcos!!! we don't need no stinking landline!!!! | |
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| | It stinks, but its their business to trash. Stop and think for a minute. When was the last time you were able to buy a new car without passenger seats? I mean, beyond the driver's seat, no other seating is required to legally drive the car off the lot. Same thing for the radio. You can get a most basic of radios, but a car (didn't say truck) comes at least with a dang AM radio. ANd the glovebox, trunk, etc., etc., etc.
If no one were accepting of the bundled services style of offering from the RBOCs then either everyone is a hypocreite, or the RBOC subscribers are fake. We know that neither of those cases are the situation so some customers exist that want both or at the very least are willing to accept the 'happy telco meal' as is. In fact, more than 2-million Bellsouth customers seem to be that telco's b!tch.
I am right up there with the desire to get my broadband without forced bundled services. But, I am more willing to be that company's b!tch than do without. Furthermore, there isn't anything I can remember that says the RBOCs cannot increase the POTS-less tariffs, is there? And when was the last time any of you bought a Value Meal from McDonalds and got out of the side-item OR drink for a reduced amount? | |
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| | IP POTS Covad will soon install IP POTS/LPV (line-powered voice) cards in their DSLAM's & will offer POTS (analog voice) plus dialup access or DSL (analog would be second or lifeline). The digital-to-analog conversion will occur at the CO (central office) in the DSLAM so customer can use their existing phones and home wiring and will be powered from the CO (analog will still work during power outages). Hello AOL, MSN, Yahoo, Google, Earthlink...are you listening? | |
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join:2004-05-29
Ellensburg, WA | Naked DSL from Qwest I had naked DSL from Qwest. The normal line charge is $28/mo, stand alone is $33/mo, line only. No internet services on it. Then you have another $4 to $5 in taxes. So about $37 to $38 a month, just for the line. Add another $20/mo for an ISP, and you are at $57/mo for 1.5Mb DSL. | |
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join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Stupidity rampant at former monopolies.... What a wonderful way to drive people farther away from the telcos!
Incentive pricing for bundles is one thing--forced bundling is something else, but it seems that the telcos prefer the approach that the extreme limit is the best approach.
If these idiots were running grocery stores, instead of displays that were designed to entice you to visit another aisle, they would be hiring thugs to handcuff and drag people through the market whenever they drove into the parking lot....
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join:2004-06-09
South Elgin, IL | Comcrap Why don't they stop Comcast from charging us $15 more for hsi because we do not want their overpriced crappy cable TV.
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Ellensburg, WA | Re: Comcrap I thought it was $10, atleast that's what I few people I know pay.
As well, you get service for a little less if Earthlink resells their service in your area. | |
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