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 |  elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | Re: Quite true, and quite sad too.. said by JRW2:Everyone knows this fake ad is the truth, except our elected officials,who seem to be turning a bribed blind eye to the obvious illegal practices of Cable operators.  Obvious illegal practices?
Other than some very minor glitching with their ancient Moto STB's and the annual price expiration ritual, our regional cable companies - Time Warner, Charter and Cox, resemble nothing of the mythical firm represented in this ad.
They continue to invest in plant, their technicians are fairly prompt, patient and helpful, and their broadband offerings continue to improve.
The main problem with the cable industry is that they have to buy programming from the content monopoly. While I think they could be much more aggressive, pay-tv price increases reflect the market power of the networks and studios, not the cable/satellite industry. | |
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Also their service is quite like the ad, unless you happen to have all day waiting for them to show up... | |
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Also their service is quite like the ad, unless you happen to have all day waiting for them to show up... Haven't experienced issues with scheduling or service amongst the three.
There is no evidence whatsoever of a non-compete agreement, and while I'll grant you it could happen, it certainly isn't "obvious". | |
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| Re: Quite true, and quite sad too.. There certainly is for Verizon, it was questionable if the FCC and DOJ were going to approve it. That was discussed here not too long ago.
I would say if we knew what went on in the 'closed door' meetings there would be more than ample evidence of illegal activity. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | said by CXM_Splicer:There certainly is for Verizon, it was questionable if the FCC and DOJ were going to approve it. That was discussed here not too long ago.
I would say if we knew what went on in the 'closed door' meetings there would be more than ample evidence of illegal activity. I can't say I approve of much of Verizon's 2012-13 business practices compared to the past decade, but that doesn't mean they made such arrangements. | |
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Yea... TONs of competition.
Scheduling tends to be a 4 hour window (certainly not something to schedule work around) and yes, I've had Comcast knock and bolt. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | Re: Quite true, and quite sad too.. said by Uncle Paul:So how many communities have more broadband service that competes at the same level? Most have a cable company at the upper end, DSL at the bottom end and a wireless carriers that operate somewhere around DSL speeds and charge per GB.
Yea... TONs of competition.
Scheduling tends to be a 4 hour window (certainly not something to schedule work around) and yes, I've had Comcast knock and bolt. Where did I say there was TONs of competition?
We were discussing the allegation that cable and telco were agreeing not to compete. Nothing beyond that.
Wireless will not be unlimited, but LTE will be a competitive threat, faster than many DSL, and plenty will switch to it.
At least in our region, Cableco install and repair is really good about showing up on time, and/or communicating their availability - they're 100% better than AT&T, whom will leave you without service for a week or more. Can't speak to Verizon, virtually no one I know uses them anymore, too expensive to begin with, before the taxes and generous rounding errors, so service calls are a non-issue. | |
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Typically there are two non per GB offerings, DSL and Cable, with one company offering DSL and one company offering Cable. DSL takes the 1-6mb space. Cable takes anything above that. | |
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Typically there are two non per GB offerings, DSL and Cable, with one company offering DSL and one company offering Cable. DSL takes the 1-6mb space. Cable takes anything above that. Doesn't FiOS overbuild existing cable plant? Granted FiOS isn't available in 100% of the cable market, but if the alleged "back-room deal" were literally true, FiOS and U-Verse would never have gotten off the ground at all.
It's not a "back room deal" that keeps telcos out of cable markets. It's the high risk of deploying fiber in a market saturated with cable, and expecting more than 10-15% of those subscribers to switch. You can't lay fiber to 100% of the households if only 15% agree to take your service. That's why google got written commitments in advance. | |
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| Re: Quite true, and quite sad too.. The deal is not alleged, it needed approval from the FCC and DOJ.
quote: But under the deal, the companies agreed to not publish adversarial adds in regions of mutual service, instead offering up mutual advertising campaigns and dividing up customers.
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The advertising was only the public part... if you think there wasn't more to this deal then you obviously aren't very business savvy. | |
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quote: But under the deal, the companies agreed to not publish adversarial adds in regions of mutual service, instead offering up mutual advertising campaigns and dividing up customers.
FCC, DOJ Worried About Verizon's "Noncompete" Deal With Cable FirmsThe advertising was only the public part... if you think there wasn't more to this deal then you obviously aren't very business savvy. If you have proof of more than the advertising part then let's have it. I don't put much stock in unsubstantiated claims. | |
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The whole point of competition is that one entity might offer a better, not "like", service level, and earn the lion's share of customers.
Cable typically offers a better product and price-point than DSL or Fios. Are you suggesting they didn't compete for their business? | |
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They continue to invest in plant, their technicians are fairly prompt, patient and helpful, and their broadband offerings continue to improve.
Correct, seems to be yet another telco paid shill making a dumb youtube video.
For me the only thing right about that rant video is price. I agree that cable prices are too high but the same is true for my other choices which are uverse or dishnetwork or directv which btw is in bed with at&t.
I've never had a problem in the 5+ years I've been with TWC my internet speeds went from 10/1 to 15/2 to 50/5 what I have now. TWC's picture quality is far superior to what uverse has to offer.
I don't see any truth in that video. | |
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| Re: Quite true, and quite sad too.. said by etaadmin:.For me the only thing right about that rant video is price. I agree that cable prices are too high but the same is true for my other choices which are uverse or dishnetwork or directv which btw is in bed with at&t.
I've never had a problem in the 5+ years I've been with TWC my internet speeds went from 10/1 to 15/2 to 50/5 what I have now. TWC's picture quality is far superior to what uverse has to offer.
I don't see any truth in that video. You don't see truths, because you have been luck, but others do. Im on ATT dsl, read some of my former post and reviews Id agree with 75% of that commercial, Highly over priced, no competition. Example when Comcast stated that they were going to expand into our area ATT ran adds and fliers that our area would be getting U-verse that was in 2008-9. Guess what something happened and Comcast decided not to expand to our area and after that did we ever see Uverse? its 2013 and Im still waiting. As such Comcast never expanded into the Area ATT is the only game in town
Not to mention I along with one of ATT techs tracked down the cause of my Internet always dropping connection a Faulty Dslam, for Years ( yes Years) every couple of weeks a tech came out and tried everything in his powers, we tried different wire pairs, different loop, different frequency, new modem(s), and even replaced the cooper along my road in numerous places to see if that would help but alas every few weeks I was down again, so that ad was very accurate, after various BBB complaints and letters to my local gov official it Finally came down to ATT rolling 4 trucks out here in one day and tracking down the issues ( which I already knew a year before) a faulty Dslam that was known and repeatedly reported faulty by various Techs however ATT said it was not on the list to be replaced or upgraded.
So however it be you don't see truth in that video consider yourself lucky, many of us do. | |
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For me the only thing right about that rant video is price. I agree that cable prices are too high but the same is true for my other choices which are uverse or dishnetwork or directv which btw is in bed with at&t.
I've never had a problem in the 5+ years I've been with TWC my internet speeds went from 10/1 to 15/2 to 50/5 what I have now. TWC's picture quality is far superior to what uverse has to offer.
I don't see any truth in that video. So can we call you a cable shill? | |
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Other than some very minor glitching with their ancient Moto STB's and the annual price expiration ritual, our regional cable companies - Time Warner, Charter and Cox, resemble nothing of the mythical firm represented in this ad.
They continue to invest in plant, their technicians are fairly prompt, patient and helpful, and their broadband offerings continue to improve.
The main problem with the cable industry is that they have to buy programming from the content monopoly. While I think they could be much more aggressive, pay-tv price increases reflect the market power of the networks and studios, not the cable/satellite industry. LOL!
This is funnier than the advertisement. | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Williamstown, NJ kudos:5 | said by JRW2:Everyone knows this fake ad is the truth, except our elected officials,who seem to be turning a bribed blind eye to the obvious illegal practices of Cable operators.  And what obvious illegal practices are those? Aside from some ethical lapses in dealings with Washington pols, I am not aware of any laws they are breaking. | |
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| Re: Quite true, and quite sad too.. said by TBusiness:I would also like to know when the FCC is in charge of advertising. Last I knew that was the purpose of the FTC. Mistype, you are correct.... | |
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| said by Linklist:said by JRW2:Everyone knows this fake ad is the truth, except our elected officials,who seem to be turning a bribed blind eye to the obvious illegal practices of Cable operators.  And what obvious illegal practices are those? Aside from some ethical lapses in dealings with Washington pols, I am not aware of any laws they are breaking. Last I checked, collusion and price fixing was illegal... -- Politics is a disease, we need a cure! In constant search for intelligent life on Earth! What part of "Illegal" is so hard to understand... | |
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| Re: Quite true, and quite sad too.. price fixing is when all the companies charge the same price and you have no other options. You have options and prices are NOT the same across the board. And if this was enforce then it needs to be enforced on oil companies before information/entertainment companies. | |
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 |  |  |  etaadmin join:2002-01-17 Dallas, TX kudos:1 | said by JRW2:said by Linklist:said by JRW2:Everyone knows this fake ad is the truth, except our elected officials,who seem to be turning a bribed blind eye to the obvious illegal practices of Cable operators.  And what obvious illegal practices are those? Aside from some ethical lapses in dealings with Washington pols, I am not aware of any laws they are breaking. Last I checked, collusion and price fixing was illegal... ... and with whom do the cable companies are engaging in price fixing? If you assumption is true then the answer is with the telco and satellite companies. So the problem is not the cable industry it is the WHOLE industry. | |
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To bad it also applies to other ISP's as well. | |
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Way back when, yes. But now no. They dont need them. Any cable provider to push into another's market if they wanted to. But they dont as the current one has such a lock in their markets and then barriers to entry are so great that it is virtually impossible for another company to start a new one. Then of course you have the companies themselves going out of their way to keep it that way by helping to craft laws and using their lobbying power to beat down any attempt at anything even remotely resembling competition.
One fiber network, nationwide for all to use to reach any customer from any location that wants their services is what we need. | |
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| Re: Blame to go around Lobbying against competition is only done when tax dollars are being spent on such a company. And as well it should be blocked. Any company is free to overbuild- but the ROI/numbers do NOT make sense in much of the country. And it never will. Dish & DirecTV are the smart ones for using the air to compete. MMDS providers (yes they still are around) are smart by using the air to compete and expand coverage of their systems.
and you can keep wanting that one single fiber network to share- but in the end- it will NEVER happen. There is NOBODY that would be able to manage it, let alone money to fund it when there are other things that need to be purchased- such as the Air Force needing new jets/planes that are well beyond their life time. The Gov't has no business operating a business when they can't even pass a budget that is balanced.
And you say that fiber network should reach ANYONE??? Id be careful on defining that ANYONE. Have you seen any of the remote areas in TN? WV?? Some are lucky to get power- if they can. | |
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How is it electric go to a home? Then they should use the same method to get fiber as it IS that important now and to the future. Who is they? I dont know yet, but it shouldn't be the current incumbents (they had their chance and declined) and eminent domain or forced line sharing should be used as needed.
I am not asking for the government to operate the business. Just to oversee it being built and then overseeing the 2-3 companies that are responsible for it. | |
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| Re: Entertainment Only saying its slower- meaning you can't get it. You can get it though; and most of the country can in fact get FTTH and have been for years, just yet- you refuse to pay for it and want the gov't to give it to ya either by creating a "company" that operates on tax dollars (think Amtrak which was a stupid idea to keep around) or wants gov't regulation- another stupid idea that won't get you anywhere when companies refused to build out their own network to start off with when they knew line share was going to die. | |
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| said by TBusiness:saying its slower- meaning you can't get it. You can get it though; The fake ad says slower than korea at 2x the price. I think my local cable company fits that bill. the fake ad does not say that you cannot get faster than korea, it simply states 'speeds 200x slower than korea at 2x the price'
Of course it is exaggerating on 200x slower, but the price is an understatement.
FTTH is not available here, well, maybe, through the cable companies' 'Fiber Direct', though it is aimed for businesses. I don't even want to guess what those prices are, I can just assume the reason they are not on the website is because they are too outrageous to post.
Also, it is likely (tho yet unproven) that the cable company was responsible for keeping FiOS out of our area. | |
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They win the internet....
Now if they could only get this on mainstream TV...
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The NAB should pick this up and simply bleep the curses. | |
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Sonic.net is quite an impressive company actually. Last I heard they were working on deploying a ftth network offering gigabit speeds for $70 per month. | |
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| please make this subject shit not nesscary. It's true, but the shills (I think they will come into this comment section at some point) will try to say nothing in this is true.
Cable,phone,satelite. in this country we are all being anally raped.
My friend in linne,NL pays for tv/phone/internet and it runs him 26 something a month with speeds at 60/15...
Yeah and we pay what, 100+. total bullshit. but anyways, enough ranting and bitching. | |
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| Not accurate It's funny, but the problems with video pricing are due to content providers bullying the cable companies, not the cable companies themselves. The content providers are totally out of control, and until someone checks their bundling and ripping off fee, they will continue to be totally out of control. | |
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Interestingly, Leslie Marx apparently advises the FCC regarding spectrum auctions.
I wonder if someone could talk her into looking at broadband the way she has looked at vitamins? | |
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| Before this there was ....THIS! LOL Back in the 90's this spoof was created for a Baltimore Area Car Dealers industry trade show. Of course only "insiders" saw this back then, if only the customers knew way back then.
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| promote the joke somebody get the ' commercial ' on cable tv for millions of people to see.. then it'll be worth something.. people don't seem to know or care how much the world changed since 2001.
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