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vivi
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join:2002-10-28
Minneapolis, MN
clubs: | h come to minnesota? haha kthx... | |
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join:2002-11-26
Bronx, NY | Re: h Juice Boosted Carrier Pigeon all the way | |
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TheGiant
Next Year Is Here.
join:2001-03-28
Augusta, GA | Juice Boosted carrier pigeon I don't care which one dominates just so long as I have access to it at a fair price.
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50970758
The One And Only
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join:2002-02-28
mdzRghey
| Re: Juice Boosted carrier pigeon said by TheGiant  :
I don't care which one dominates just so long as I have access to it at a fair price.
Yeah, no kidding.
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White trash
@shawcable.net | Way off topic but iss this Zander from Santa Clara? If so have you raced any trains in Northern BC lately?.......signed "The Incorrigible One":) | |
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| hedyd4u
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join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY | Due out in Chicago when the cubs win the World Series. | |
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IceWindius
join:2004-03-11
Montana | But... Wonderful but I want FARKING LOW PING! Qwest, are you listening? Hello? Owel..... | |
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join:2002-10-12
Bergenfield, NJ | Re: But... i think history is gunna repeat itself with 49.99++ | |
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| | Flizesh
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join:2003-08-16
Staten Island, NY
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1 edit | except cable is still 49.95 .. or close to it  | |
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Anti_Cyrix
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join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA
| Re: But... said by dslwanter :
But if you want decent speeds yes you will pay around $49.95+++++++ for cable.
Yes, and that's what I pay for 10/10Mbps fiber  | |
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join:2002-09-13
Spokane, WA | $49.95 cable? Where? I'm paying $55 for cable internet right now, and I don't see it dropping anytime soon. | |
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koolman2
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join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK
1 edit | There's not much you can do to lower ping, unless you somehow managed to figure out how to bend the space-time continuum [Edit: on a large scale, with low prices], in which case you would be the richest person alive. | |
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ShootToThril
Tell The Truth
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join:2004-06-07
Sherman Oaks, CA
clubs: | Re: But... Didn't you watch "Dude, Where my Car"?
It's already been done, are you living in the same reality?:D | |
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koolman2
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join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK | Re: But... No, I didn't, and I meant on a large scale, not in those small lab tests. | |
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| | Goldengamego
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
1 edit | said by koolman2 :
There's not much you can do to lower ping, unless you somehow managed to figure out how to bend the space-time continuum [Edit: on a large scale, with low prices], in which case you would be the richest person alive.
Switch to SBC perhaps?
Tracing route to broadbandreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms adsl-69-208-243-254.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net [69
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2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms dist1-vlan60.lgtpmi.ameritech.net [65.42.245.242
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3 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms bb1-g8-0.lgtpmi.ameritech.net [65.42.245.123]
4 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-p1-4.sfldmi.ameritech.net [151.164.189.54]
5 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms bb2-p15-0.sfldmi.ameritech.net [151.164.40.182]
6 19 ms 18 ms 20 ms core2-p6-0.crchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.242.37]
7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms core1-p1-0.crchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.29]
8 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms bb1-p2-1.chcgil.ameritech.net [151.164.242.201]
9 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms bb2-p5-0.chcgil.ameritech.net [151.164.191.178]
10 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ex1-p3-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.162]
11 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms eqix.ge-0-2-0.gbr1.chi.nac.net [206.223.119.69]
12 38 ms 38 ms 38 ms 0.so-0-2-0.gbr1.nwr.nac.net [209.123.11.237]
13 38 ms 38 ms 38 ms 0.so-7-3-0.gbr2.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.58]
14 38 ms 37 ms 38 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
Trace complete. 
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
 ·Charter Pipeline
| Re: But... You have (nearly) the same route I do. SBC has seriously improved their network over the years. Nice that a company can keep almost all of their traffic on their own network until the destination's ISP handoff.
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pacmanfan
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join:2003-11-22
Mansfield, MO
| There's no one technology that will take over... I think it will largely depend on the area... ADSL2+ is good for areas where there's a CO or RT every couple miles, and in some cases it may be cheapest to provide ADSL2+ by deploying lots of RTs with FTTN.
In many cases, I think cable has the edge, since their infrastructure is pretty ubiquitous in urban settings, and the network can handle insane speeds if need be.
I don't think FTTH will see wide deployment until the material costs come down significantly. It's a large invest that most companies or cities just can't afford to make at this time.
Wireless has a definite edge in low population density areas, or in areas where there isn't fiber/cable infrastructure. One major drawback to wireless is that in a typical small-time WISP, they can't afford to feed their tower with anything better than T1s, and oversubscribed ones at that. It's currently too expensive for most WISPs to provide speeds competing with what cable, fiber, and ADSL (let alone ADSL2+) can offer, the equipment that can provide 150 users with 10mbps of non-bursty speed isn't cheap, even if it is oversubscribed.
Finally, it'd be nice to see ReachDSL take on more adoption. It's been demonstrated at over 60,000ft on a dry pair. This may be the only cost-effective solution for poor low-population areas, even if it isn't much better than ISDN at long range. | |
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| vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: There's no one technology that will take over... I think every telco will eventually have to make the move to fiber. All of those copper based technologies have distance factors and speed limitations. You keep bumping up those speeds and the integrity of the data continues to degrade. Fiber has unlimited speeds and distance is no longer a factor from the CO.
Fiber can also carry telephone and TV, while cable can do this, fiber will eventially be the last one standing.
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@xtraport.net | ... Are 43% of people actually thinking fiber will dominate in 5 years... or are they not reading the question and simply hoping and dreaming? | |
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Count Hogula3
John Forged Kerry
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join:2004-07-10
Corona, CA
| Whatever comes... It will be the leftovers of video and voice content delivery. The telcos would like to expand their markets into video and cable has to keep up. HDTV delivery will force bandwidth upgrades anyway so I think all of the above technologies will end up providing high speed data servers just from different providers.
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J D McDorce
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join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI
| Regulatory Input Required... The dominant technology in 2010 may largely depend on what decisions are made by the Congress, the courts, and the FCC between now and then, as well as posturing by providers to attempt to obtain decisions which are potentially favorable to their individual business cases. Regulatory related-issues which potentially hold the future in the balance include:
1) Regulation of VoIP
Much of the cost advantage that VoIP holds over POTS is due to the taxes and regulatory compliance constraints placed on POTS that are not currently applicable to VoIP. While one could debate the fairness of a disproportionate burden being placed on one of two technologies providing a similar function to the end user, if it comes down to a decision to regulate VoIP versus deregulate POTS it may be a fair assumption that too much money goes into state and federal coffers to deregulate POTS. Regulating VoIP would certainly feed the kitty of governments at varying levels, but would likely curb talk of fiber-to-the-whatever by the RBOCs and place further cable plant enhancements at risk. Leaving VoIP effectively unregulated might accelerate fiber rollout by the RBOCs (replacing POTS with VoIP) in order to be competitive with cable in the RBOCs historic core business.
2) Line sharing
Much of the advantage that cable currently holds in number of broadband subscribers can be traced to the RBOCs holding back expanded DSL availability over the issue of line sharing. Where this ends up remains to be seen. I have a hunch that even the rhetoric about fiber will come to quick halt if the RBOCs are required to share it. From the cable side, there are still issues from the Ninth Circuit's decision that need to be resolved.
3) Broadband as a National Priority
It is still difficult to tell if this is any more than political lip service from both sides of the aisle during an election year. If either side is actually serious, this might tend to shape what we see by 2010.
Just some things to think about... | |
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evergreek
Boeing Rocks
join:2003-05-25
Hialeah, FL
clubs: | FIBER! Give some good FIBER!:D | |
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Jim_in_VA
join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA | Screw the Future ...how about NOW??? The FUTURE???
Hell, no one can get me ANY broadband where I am.
How about EXTENDING the current offerings.
Get off your ass VERIZON ...broadband to the masses..yeah right | |
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fearspooky
join:2004-07-18
Irvine, CA | mmm japan.. we should all just move to japan and enjoy the 50+mbps for 3,000yen a month (about $27) | |
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TheSaint
join:2002-01-25
Hanover Park, IL
clubs: | Re: mmm japan.. Just remember that even a tiny apparment will chew up any remaining money in your pocket if you're in a dense urban area (the parts with good broadband). :P | |
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justmeathome
@fbs.net | wireless is the future. wireless is the future broadband. | |
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radougherty
join:1999-07-23
Austin, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Nobody's going to spend $'s I voted cable since telco's won't spend the $'s to upgrade their physical plants. SBC STILL has to roll out ADSL to parts of their network let alone go back and upgrade existing. All the telco's talk about fiber to the home is a smoke screen so they can say let us raise rates now and we'll upgrade. We'll get the upgrade in rates but no upgrade in the network. | |
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d_man60112
join:2004-06-09
Cortland, IL
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join:1999-07-23
Austin, TX | Re: Nobody's going to spend $'s I think SBC's running fiber only when they need to. Example, we needed additional access into the campus a work. We had to wait weeks while SBC ran new fiber down the road. | |
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majorash
join:2004-06-21
Beaver Dam, WI
·Charter Pipeline
| Doesn't everyone? Doesn't every Cable and Phone co. have fiber in their networks? Why not just run them right up to the houses while they're laying them instead of just ending it when it comes into town. I know there are a couple of fiber lines run just outside the little village I live in. They just had to re-route them because they widened and moved a road over about 25ft. So why not run it right in?
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DrewD50
Premium
join:2004-08-28
Canada | Power Lines.... calling all Homers Broadband over power lines (BPL) hardware is already in place........ what else has that advantage? Later Dudes | |
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DrewD50
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join:2004-08-28
Canada | Re: Power Lines.... calling all Homers Oh and one more thing.....
Imagine a light bulb network connection...... just screw it in! | |
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theshape
join:2004-08-14
Gate City, VA | anger Looking into the future of broadband when I am still not able to get regular broadband. This pisses me off so much. | |
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