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Franklinville, NY | Just the Beginning.... Adelphia will no longer have operations in Coudersport in a few years. That's my prediction. | |
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Franklinville, NY | I figure it will take a couple years to get an infrastructure built in CO. Anybody that thinks Adelphia is going to stay in PA is living in dream land..lol
A company the size of Adelphia simply doesn't belong in a little burg like Coudersport.
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| | | | | Re: Just the Beginning.... I'm quite surprised it didn't move to Buffalo. | |
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Franklinville, NY | Re: Just the Beginning.... said by JacksGhost:
I'm quite surprised it didn't move to Buffalo.
I'm not really surprised. Only the Regis' would think Buffalo is a good place to set up shop. Buffalo is a dead city, with no hope of revival. The whole state of NY is a piss-poor place to open a business. Millions of $ could be saved per year simply by NOT setting up in Buffalo, or NY state for that matter.
There used to be a large talent pool in Buffalo, but NYS has sent most of them packing for areas with reasonable taxes and utility rates.
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kudos:4 | Reproduced here is the Press release made by Adelphia.
"“Adelphia’s new Denver headquarters will be home to an estimated 120 employees, including current Adelphia executives who are expected to relocate there as well as new hires. A Denver location will enable Adelphia to assemble and attract a high-caliber management team with the strong cable experience needed to lead an effective restructuring effort.
“Because the company expects to maintain a significant portion of its operations in Coudersport, the vast majority of Adelphia’s approximately 1,400 employees based here will not be affected by the headquarters move. Our dedicated Coudersport workforce will continue to contribute to our restructuring effort while supporting Adelphia’s efforts to provide the quality services our customers expect.
“Adelphia continues to work cooperatively with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and local officials to extend the Keystone Opportunity Zone program (KOIZ) to certain sub-zones in Coudersport. As part of these ongoing efforts, Adelphia would like to gratefully acknowledge the resolution recently adopted by the Coudersport Borough Council in support of the proposed KOIZ sites in Coudersport.
“This move is an essential step in the company’s rebuilding effort and therefore will benefit all of Adelphia’s stakeholders.”
Extending the Keystone Opportunity Zones to certain sites in Coudersport will make the attraction of keeeping Coudersport and its band of dedicated EXPERIENCED workers very attractive. I think that this coupled with the amazing infrastructure on the operations side will make moving from Coudersport in the next few years very unlikely.
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Franklinville, NY | Re: Just the Beginning.... Well, we've all seen the company line from Adelphia. We've also seen Adelphia BS it's customers and the press many, many times.
Moving the TAC wouldn't really be a big deal, if you were moving it to a technology super-center like Denver. Cheap network connectivity and redundancy.
Isn't that the same article you posted when the rumor about the HQ moving started?..lol
The reasonably intelligent mind, will see that any cable giant would be held down by the many obstacles presented by centering operations in a little burg in the middle of the PA mountains. It makes no sense logistically, financially, or sensibly.
They'll move TAC out of PA for the same reasons they're moving HQ. The TAC in Buffalo will serve as the East-coast call center, and Coudersport will become the West-coast call center.
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kudos:4 | Re: Just the Beginning.... Hickerx continued to try posting
"Isn't that the same article you posted when the rumor about the HQ moving started?.."
No I don't think so. This is a press release from the company the other day, It would have been hard for me to have posted it when it wasn't even written! LOL!
"The reasonably intelligent mind, will see that any cable giant would be held down by the many obstacles presented by centering operations in a little burg in the middle of the PA mountains. It makes no sense logistically, financially, or sensibly"
The reasonably intelligent mind would also see that if you have a multi million dollar facility already up and running with state of the art equipment staffed by experienced people it would be a strange decision to abandon it. Especially if you are going to pay cents on the dollar in taxes for the next 15 years.
"They'll move TAC out of PA for the same reasons they're moving HQ. The TAC in Buffalo will serve as the East-coast call center, and Coudersport will become the West-coast call center."
Hick I think you are getting confused. Are we talking about the TAC or the DCC? or both?
Hob
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Franklinville, NY | The intelligent mind would also see that several million $ is pocket change to a company the size of Adelphia, and the "state-of-the-art equipment could be easily moved.
The intelligent mind would further deduce that there is always a certain turn-around of employees, and that a location in the middle of nowhere does not beg multitudes of qualified folk to move there.
I include TAC and DCC as the same company resource. Nice try though.
Adelphia has made no secret of the fact that it's "premeir" markets are on the west coast. Add that to the fact that more than likely, a large portion of Adelphia's Coudersport employees would gladly move anywhere but Coudersport. I'm pretty confident in the validity of that statement, as I've lived in a small town all of my life.
No matter how mushy or caring you'd like Adelphia portrayed, they are a huge company. It would make no practical sense whatsoever, to have the "main" TAC and Network Operations based in the middle of nowhere near the East coast, when they already have another TAC in the same place, and their re-organization is concentrating on West coast markets. Along with the fact that Corporate HQ is near the west coast, and in a much more practical location as it relates to the thrust of their expansion in the years to come.
So, you can hope, pray, and try to rationalize all you like, but they're outa there...just a matter of time now.
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Henrietta, NY | Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. Hard assets alone in Coudersport are valued at "Several" Hundred Million Dollars, and Soft assets, as in people who actually "KNOW" this network and run it on a daily basis, well, that investment is also worth a couple hundred million dollars.
The shareholders would NEVER allow the company to walk away from that kind of value. It makes no sense to abandon almost a Billion dollars in assets.
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| Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. Thank You Mr Mole, you took the words right out of my mouth.
In my post I used the term MULTI MILLION which is what I meant, not SEVERAL MILLION as it was interpreted.
I am amused that it is thought that a "Main TAC" has to be in close proximity to its customer base, I believe many companies utilize call centers in India and other areas of cheap labor.
I also find it amusing that someone based on his own experience of living in a small town can state that a large portion of the companies employees would gladly live anywhere but Coudersport.
Why haven't they then? I am certain that the company does not padlock them up at night to stop them escaping.
I would suggest that anyone reading this thread considers the source before they make their mind up on the matter. 
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Franklinville, NY | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. said by hobgoblin:
I am amused that it is thought that a "Main TAC" has to be in close proximity to its customer base, I believe many companies utilize call centers in India and other areas of cheap labor.
I'm not surprised at that. We all know that pre-pubescent minds are quite easily amused.
said by hobgoblin:
I also find it amusing that someone based on his own experience of living in a small town can state that a large portion of the companies employees would gladly live anywhere but Coudersport.
Why haven't they then? I am certain that the company does not padlock them up at night to stop them escaping.
Again, no surprise. Those same minds, that are, let us say....under-developed, really can't use common sense in a practical manner. I would suggest that maybe they don't leave because that's where their jobs are...ya think maybe?
However, in the event that Adelphia moves operations, and offers them the opportunity to move, most of them will take it.
said by hobgoblin:
I would suggest that anyone reading this thread considers the source before they make their mind up on the matter.
Are you in the PR department now?...LMAO
I don't think anybody needs you to tell them how to decipher this thread. It's pretty obvious that you will stoop to any level to make your employer look good.
That has to be the issue, since nobody is so naive that they think a company will never move because they have an investment in a current location.
It's also a pretty lame argument that there is so much assets in local labor that stockholders will never let them move. Like I said, a large portion of the labor would go right along with them.
Large companies do it every day, and I'm sure all the "PR" folk used the same arguments for every one of them.
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kudos:4 | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. Once again Hicker was unable to debate without stooping to this level
"We all know that pre-pubescent minds are quite easily amused."
Is that the only response you can manage?
My point was that it really does not matter where a call center is located as long as that call center is efficient.
Their are many other factors to be taken into consideration none of them I wish to debate here. Your statement that it made no sense to have a call center in Coudersport is totally wrong unless of course you have access to statistics comparing the Coudersport TAC to other major call centers in the industry. I know you don't.
Hicker then continued
"However, in the event that Adelphia moves operations, and offers them the opportunity to move, most of them will take it."
I am sure the residents of Coudersport, some married with kids at school are extremely grateful to you for telling them what they would do. I thank you on their behalf.
"I don't think anybody needs you to tell them how to decipher this thread. It's pretty obvious that you will stoop to any level to make your employer look good."
I guess I could level the same accusation at you in reverse.
For the last couple of years you have made every effort to discredit the company. You sit at home behind your cable modem and profess to be an expert in every facet of Adelphia's organization. Of course the truth is you do not have a scooby doo what is going on. Anyone reading your posts might think you actually know what you are talking about but of course we know thats not true. You have not laid one foot inside any of the new, state of the art DCC and you have not even seen the rapidly growing TAC. Incidently the TAC is still and has been recruiting over the last few months almost doubling in size. Of course your retort will be that the company is hiring them, training them and providing new equipment for them to move them to Colorado and attempt to shoehorn them into a cable tv call center that is already full of Cable TV salkes and service people.
Heymoe has already told you that the DCC infrastructure is valued at several hundred million dollars not several as you informed us. The KOIZ will designate that building and others as tax free zones for the next 15 years. The company has said that only 150 or so management will move.
You ignore all this, blinded by your strange desire to attempt to disaprove anything that Adelphia or I say. Instead of debating the facts laid out for you your only retort is to snipe at me personally.
Have a great day
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Franklinville, NY | This is a worthless argument, as you have no interest in debating. Your only interest is in making Adelphia look like some sort of super-company.
Your moronic opinion that since I've not been inside the DCC, I have no relevant opinion on the matter speaks of itself..considering the source in this case might be well advised as well.
Adelphia is a company, larger than most, and in circumstances fairly unique to them. They will do whatever is practical and feasible to turn profit and gain market share.
Unlike you, who is nothing more than a low-level worker in a vast company, and using that credential as some sort of authority, I am a business owner. I actually own more than one successful business, and my family have been successful business owners for my entire life.
I have oodles more experience and qualifications to speak of business related topics, than you can ever hope to have.
You are nothing but a $40,000/yr? job to Adelphia. Thinking you're anything more is naive and ignorant.
Now that we've cleared up who is more qualified to speak about any business matter, including Adelphia, let's look at your statement..LOL
"I am sure the residents of Coudersport, some married with kids at school are extremely grateful to you for telling them what they would do. I thank you on their behalf."
Fortunately, most of those people surely aren't as ignorant or naive as you are. Those people moved there, and made their life around their jobs. If their jobs move, they will probably move.
How many network techs do you think will stay and take jobs mowing lawns in Coudersport?..maybe delivering newspapers? Get a grip, your responses are so pathetic. Join the rest of us in the real world.
"For the last couple of years you have made every effort to discredit the company. You sit at home behind your cable modem and profess to be an expert in every facet of Adelphia's organization"
Now there's one for the record!
Adelphia never has, and probably never will, need any help in discrediting themselves. Most of the folks here, know exactly how Adelphia runs their business.
For the last two years, we've all watched you swallow your own character, and lie, deny, and dispute anything anybody says about Adelphia that doesn't cast them in your light. It's obvious what sort of man you are, with no values, and an incurable appetite for self-advancement. You've been proven wrong countless times in this forum, yet you still try....at least you're persistent..LMAO
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kudos:4 | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. Hicker in his normal way told us
"This is a worthless argument, as you have no interest in debating."
I would love to debate Hicker however it is increasingly hard to debate anything with someone whose second sentence of his reply reads
"Your moronic opinion"
Anyway lets at least try. You state
"Adelphia is a company, larger than most, and in circumstances fairly unique to them. They will do whatever is practical and feasible to turn profit and gain market share."
Agreed, it is any companies interest to maximise their investment and increase profits. The point I am trying to make is this. Lets take the DCC and the TAC as seperate entities which they are. Adelphia currently has a state of the art DCC which was completed less than a year ago at an enormous cost. The building and its contents are magnificent, it is purpose built. To understand how state of the art it is you would have to see it hence my comment about you never having set foot in it. The connectivity, routing etc are in place and it functions well. As I have stated negotiations are in place to make it a KOIZ which would effectively make it a tax free haven for the next 15 years. How could Adelphia justify abandoning this several hundred million dollar investment that the customer base paid for and is still paying for to move it to the West coast which is the only reason you have offered up for the move.
"I actually own more than one successful business, and my family have been successful business owners for my entire life"
What your grandfathers lemonade stall and your mouse ball changing business has to do with this i have no idea but surely even you can see that this makes no sense.
"How many network techs do you think will stay and take jobs mowing lawns in Coudersport?..maybe delivering newspapers?"
If and I believe its a very big if the decision was made to move the DCC of course its obvious that the Network managers and higher level people would move with it.
My comments about the staff was aimed at the TAC which I'd like to deal with now. The TAC has a large number of experienced Technical Support Representatives and Engineers. Many of them have been working in the TAC from the very start, most are local people happy to be employed by Adelphia and very experienced. The wages they are paid are not the highest in the industry but the relative low cost of living in Potter County helps. Many have family members employed elsewhere for the state or running their own businesses locally. They have kids attending local schools and enjoy life in a very beautiful area of the country.
If and again it is a big if the decision was made to relocate the TAC of course some would be happy to move IF they were offered the chance. I would imagine again that the staff in the Higher management positions would move as well. BUT i ask you again, other than to be nearer to the West Coast why would any company entertain this idea. Abandon a highly trained proven workforce in a tax free infrastructure to re-hire and re-train new staff in a more expensive wage area.
These are the answers I would like from you, the only ones I have seen so far from you contain personal insults against me.
If you can restrain your personal taunts long enough i would be interested in what your sharp business mind has to say.
Hob
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Franklinville, NY | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. Well, let's be clear here. This statement
said by hobgoblin:
If you can restrain your personal taunts long enough i would be interested in what your sharp business mind has to say.
And this statement
said by hobgoblin:
What your grandfathers lemonade stall and your mouse ball changing business has to do with this i have no idea but surely even you can see that this makes no sense.
Make this statement moronic, just as I said.
said by hobgoblin:
I would love to debate Hicker however it is increasingly hard to debate anything with someone whose second sentence of his reply reads
"Your moronic opinion"
said by hobgoblin:
Adelphia currently has a state of the art DCC which was completed less than a year ago at an enormous cost. The building and its contents are magnificent, it is purpose built. To understand how state of the art it is you would have to see it hence my comment about you never having set foot in it. The connectivity, routing etc are in place and it functions well. As I have stated negotiations are in place to make it a KOIZ which would effectively make it a tax free haven for the next 15 years. How could Adelphia justify abandoning this several hundred million dollar investment that the customer base paid for and is still paying for to move it to the West coast which is the only reason you have offered up for the move.
As usual, your argument is completely lacking in common sense. The "tax free haven" you speak of is irrelevant. Any town in the US would offer Adelphia huge incentives to locate an operation that big there.
The DCC being built, was just another ass-backwards decision by the Regis'. I wouldn't bet my last dollar that the stockholders would stand by that decision. A state-of-the-art NOC does not belong in the middle of nowhere, as far removed from the customer base as it can get.
Being ultra-dramatic as usual, you use the term "abandon a several hundred million dollar investment". Only a small portion of that investment would be lost. Equipment can be easily moved, and Network Engineers will follow the work.
After all, most of the DCC employees now, didn't grow up in Coudersport now, did they?
Your "highly trained TAC employees" argument follows the first. A good portion of the TAC employees would move as well. There are simply no jobs to support all those employees if Adelphia leaves. You try to be ultra-dramatic as usual, but the fact is, Adelphia would have no problems replacing 95% of the TAC employees, especially when they have a huge pool to draw from in a high-tech supermarket like Denver.
Now, let's revisit this inflammatory statement:
said by hobgoblin:
What your grandfathers lemonade stall and your mouse ball changing business has to do with this i have no idea but surely even you can see that this makes no sense.
Obviously, you have no idea what my business is, nor that of my Grandfather, but I'll give you a couple of thoughts.
Business is business is business. The same basic principles apply, no matter the size. Common sense is common sense. One great benefit of mouse-ball changing and lemonade stall businesses, is the fact that I don't have to suck up to my boss to have a chance at a better job. Any business decisions are solely mine. When I see something not being done correctly, I fix it, rather than make excuses to my customers. I have no need to go to an on-line forum and use bogus arguments to appease disgruntled customers....I have none.
I think enough discussion has taken place on this issue, so that all will remember it when Adelphia moves.
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kudos:4 | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. Hicker accused
"As usual, your argument is completely lacking in common sense."
Unlike yours I guess?
Your reason for Adelphia to move their DCC and TAC West is as follows.
"A state-of-the-art NOC does not belong in the middle of nowhere, as far removed from the customer base as it can get."
Two thirds of Adelphia's customers are on the East Coast.
NYS, PA , CT, NH, VA, WV, NC, SC, OH, GA, FL.
Why does a NOC have to be close to a customer base anyway? The customer never has to see it. Thats the reason companies have local offices.
Unfortunately Mr Hicker your arguments do not stand up to any scrutiny at all.
In your line of business, Mouse Ball changing and lemonade stalls I agree its very necessary to keep the Balls and the lemons close to the customer base for you to be able to serve a cool glass to Granny Smith whilst you are wiping her ball with an antiseptic cloth. However this is big time baby. Mired in your "look how I can service my couple of dozen customers" has left you unable to fathom out real world large scale decisions. Luckily there are people in charge that do have a scooby.
I agree that there has been enough discussion and being a gentleman I will allow you to say "I told you so" when Adelphia moves the NOC. Unfortunately I will either be retired or pushing up Daisies by then.
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Franklinville, NY | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. said by hobgoblin:
In your line of business, Mouse Ball changing and lemonade stalls I agree its very necessary to keep the Balls and the lemons close to the customer base for you to be able to serve a cool glass to Granny Smith whilst you are wiping her ball with an antiseptic cloth.
And in your business of answering phones, fixing email clients, and pinging modems, while telling the customer that there's nothing you can do for them, you've learned quite alot about business. After all, punching a time clock, and kissing some guy's rear, makes a fellow amply qualified to talk about business strategies. You're obviously well qualified, since you claim that your double-wide has appreciated 80% in under 1 year. Adelphia should be asking your advice, with skills like that...LOL
So, I'll leave this "debate"(cough)alone, unless somebody with more of a clue would like to voice an opinion.
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kudos:4 | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. Interesting response Hicker, no answers just a tirade of abuse, pretty much what this forum has come to expect from you when your inane claims and arguments are shown to have no water.
I think its clear to anyone that reads this thread who has a clue what is going on and who is engaged on some personal vendetta.
"So, I'll leave this "debate"(cough)alone"
Interesting cough Hick. Of course I WAS trying to debate the issues with you. Unfortunately you can not debate your way out of a paper bag. I will add this thread to the list of others where you ran out of ideas and made up some more fancyful stories.
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Franklinville, NY | Re: Moving Operations to Denver is HIGHLY unlikely. said by hobgoblin:
I think its clear to anyone that reads this thread who has a clue what is going on and who is engaged on some personal vendetta.
Yes, I agree....quite clear
There is no point in debating anything with you. The entire debate always consists of your insults, my response, and your rebuttal telling us all that I insulted you.
You may think you are clever enough to insult people without making it obvious, but fortunately, the readers of this forum are a bit more intellectual than you are.
Carry on.
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See, it's statements like this that cause me to have to get the duct tape out. This is *not* a slam on the the Coudy employees (or any employees for that matter), but geez...some of us Pennsylvanians have come to NOT expect quality services from Adelphia.
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| | yep hey hicker,
some people actually like the small towns and just enjoy travelling into cities for a weekend trip. If you ever saw the TAC/DCC you might realize how difficult it would be to just pick it up and move. Just one question for you, How much do you think hob makes to stick up for the company? It's not like he gets a commission for everytime he sticks up for the company. He does it because he believes in the company and points out the assinine comments people make. | |
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He's made a few himself
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Franklinville, NY | said by NukeMeElmo:
hey hicker,
some people actually like the small towns and just enjoy travelling into cities for a weekend trip. If you ever saw the TAC/DCC you might realize how difficult it would be to just pick it up and move.
Nobody said it would be easy on anybody, if it ever even happens. I happen to like small town life myself. As a matter of fact, I'd say that I despise the city. I would never live there for any amount of money.
My original point was that no matter the investment, no matter the initial cost, no matter the families living in Coudersport(or nearby), no matter nothing, if Adelphia sees a benefit to moving to Denver, they will move. You may try to rationalize it to death, but it doesn't change anything. Huge companies, companies hundreds of times larger than Adelphia, piss away billions every day, and move operations to a more feasible location. To think that Adelphia is any different than any other large company, to think that they care about who's kids go to school where, to think that they care about Joe Blow's 20 yrs at TAC, is naive and ignorant. Come join us in the real world, will ya.
I started in this thread that "I predict they will move within a few years". Simple, my thoughts. That has erupted into Mr. Hogbobbin calling me names, insinuating that I have no clue, etc, etc. I think it's very clear who has questionable motives here.
said by NukeMeElmo:
Just one question for you, How much do you think hob makes to stick up for the company? It's not like he gets a commission for everytime he sticks up for the company. He does it because he believes in the company and points out the assinine comments people make.
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| | FLAME ZONE ALERT.. I can state theres parts or policies of the company I have a rather distain for. There are individuals that I don't like nor do I care to deal with them.
All indifferences aside, I feel I am compensated rather well for what *I* do.
My voice in the company might not be heard loud and clear to the higher ups nor does it impact many of those policies I might not like.
I have been offered an operatunity with a good wage where other companies in my area have offered substancially less for the same type of job. The benefits package alone makes a big contribution to some of the decisions I think about when considering on a move to another area.
If a company treats an Individual good, why shouldn't they have some form of loyalty to the ones who put food on their plates?
Adelphia didn't raid its workers pension funds, didn't destroy enviornments with an oil spill nor force anyone to buy its worthless stock.
The company as a whole is starting to shape up and fix their problems. These problems used to have a list a mile long. That mile long list is narrowing down rather quickly. A 'diet' or fat-trimming process has gone into effect and the company will be quite profitable again.
People can believe what they want to believe. From personally seeing the newer buildings in Coudy, it would be a HUGE waste to move the operations centers to another area. Hundreds of millions of dollars were invested into these facilities, to just walk away from them would be counter productive towards getting out of bankrupcy.
Just my 2 cents.
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| Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. said by JacksGhost:
From personally seeing the newer buildings in Coudy, it would be a HUGE waste to move the operations centers to another area. Hundreds of millions of dollars were invested into these facilities, to just walk away from them would be counter productive towards getting out of bankrupcy.
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One would think that they would have made the necessary investments in their poorly-operating areas first.
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Franklinville, NY | said by JacksGhost:
I can state theres parts or policies of the company I have a rather distain for. There are individuals that I don't like nor do I care to deal with them.
All indifferences aside, I feel I am compensated rather well for what *I* do.
My voice in the company might not be heard loud and clear to the higher ups nor does it impact many of those policies I might not like.
I have been offered an operatunity with a good wage where other companies in my area have offered substancially less for the same type of job. The benefits package alone makes a big contribution to some of the decisions I think about when considering on a move to another area.
If a company treats an Individual good, why shouldn't they have some form of loyalty to the ones who put food on their plates?
Adelphia didn't raid its workers pension funds, didn't destroy enviornments with an oil spill nor force anyone to buy its worthless stock.
The company as a whole is starting to shape up and fix their problems. These problems used to have a list a mile long. That mile long list is narrowing down rather quickly. A 'diet' or fat-trimming process has gone into effect and the company will be quite profitable again.
People can believe what they want to believe. From personally seeing the newer buildings in Coudy, it would be a HUGE waste to move the operations centers to another area. Hundreds of millions of dollars were invested into these facilities, to just walk away from them would be counter productive towards getting out of bankrupcy.
Just my 2 cents.
Jacks
I agree with you 100% bro. I also never said it wouldn't be a huge waste of money. My only point is that Adelphia becoming profitable again, which I think they will, is not going to look at the DCC and TAC operations in Coudersport for future expansion. As a matter of fact, I believe that after they emerge from bankruptcy, those facilities will be paid for, or forgiven. That will give Adelphia a clean slate. Nowhere on that slate is "Coudersport, PA" written.
If they ever see the need to expand again(and they will), they're going to be looking at a West coast location to center their operations.
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| | | | | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. "My only point is that Adelphia becoming profitable again, which I think they will, is not going to look at the DCC and TAC operations in Coudersport for future expansion. "
The company looks at how operations are performed. A while back, they had a small support department in Colorads Springs. The Department couldn't hold its own against what Coudersport and Buffalo were putting forth. The Colorado center never even gained a foot in the door before it was closed.
When a company has something working and improving.. being flexable with changes in the future, it would be a step in the wrong direction to not continue down that path that works.
This company has learned from its mistakes. A LOT of those past mistakes have been a learning experience on what shouldn't be done.
Areas are being fixed and in a rapid succession, maybe not fast enough for some, but long overdue for sure.
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Franklinville, NY | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. said by JacksGhost:
Areas are being fixed and in a rapid succession, maybe not fast enough for some, but long overdue for sure.
Why would a company walk away from that? It would be futile and pilferige.
In the same sense, from a business perspective, why would they sink money into upgrading say...Franklinville?
That's the foolish crap they're still doing if you ask me. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad they provide service to this little sink-hole. We only got it because we happen to sit right in the road between Olean and Buffalo...pure luck.
It sure as hell isn't because they're making money on Franklinville. I see a few other areas that seem to be rural like this, and I just can't figure out why they would drop a few million bucks into new fiber to service 1 or 2 hundred subs. Just makes no sense to me.
I wonder what the actual cost is, of adding cable-modem service to an area that is already set up for digital cable. That has to be where the money is.
They have RR 15 miles from here...same deal
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| | | | | | | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. The simple reason of "profit'. No having to pay for different channels and broadcasting agreements.
Once the infrastructure is in, the only re-occurring bills are maintenance and bandwidth. The MSO's make their money on broadband, not CATV. | |
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Franklinville, NY | I personally think that Adelphia will sell off a bunch of it's smaller markets, once they get back in the black. With the current economy, MSO's aren't bringing much, especially outdated, small markets.
I think Adelphia is going to great guns in the CA market once they get more solvent. I also think that most of the markets they dump are going to be in this area, thus the DCC would be far removed from the bulk of it's customer base.
In becoming a real company, that's correctly managed, there will be a big push to move operations west, where recruiting is far easier, talent is much more available, and costs are lower.
How many "bad" employees are there at TAC? DCC?
I've personally spoken to a few of them myself.
That's not a dig on Adelphia, but on any company that locates itself in the middle of nowhere, depends on small local country towns for it's workforce, and where nobody want's to move to. Regardless of what "some" people are going to say, recruiting qualified networking professionals, to a dink town in the middle of nowhere, with no shopping, theater, social graces, restaurants, night clubs, etc, etc, etc, must be a nightmare. I mean, does Coudersport even have cable modem service? I know that most towns that size don't.
I guarantee that this exact topic has been discussed among the new COE and his underlings. The "waste" seems huge at the front, but for a company dealing with Billions in cash flow, it's not that much over the long term. That's not even taking into account, the obvious technical advantages and connectivity bonuses of being set up in that area.
I wish CRP2k would chime in on this, he seems to have a good knowledge of big business.
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| | | | | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. Man..
"How many "bad" employees are there at TAC? DCC?"
Theres probably a few.
"That's not a dig on Adelphia, but on any company that locates itself in the middle of nowhere, depends on small local country towns for it's workforce, and where nobody want's to move to"
I would leave Buffalo in a heartbeat and move to Coudy. Why do YOU live in the middle of the stix yourself? There are a lot of qualities offered in smaller towns then big cities.
"Regardless of what "some" people are going to say, recruiting qualified networking professionals, to a dink town in the middle of nowhere, with no shopping, theater, social graces, restaurants, night clubs, etc, etc, etc, must be a nightmare. "
You haven't been to Coudy lately have ya? If you knew of Adelphias origins, the theater where Adelphia began is still up and running. There are different pubs to choose from and quite a few things to do on the average night.
". I mean, does Coudersport even have cable modem service? "
Open a command prompt and ping hes1.cdp.adelphia.net . Thats Adelphias dhcp server in Coudersport.
I know of people who work in the CDP Tac that have gone as far as when their work day ended, they stopped by the customers homes and even helped them out. Think THAT would happen in a big city?
There are good things that happen in these smaller towns. If there weren't, why do you choose to live in one bro?
"The "waste" seems huge at the front, but for a company dealing with Billions in cash flow, it's not that much over the long term. "
Waste? Dislocating workers is a 'waste' ? Maybe when the jobs leave, Coudy could turn into another 'country ghetto' where the buildings rott away and everyone moves into a trailerpark?
I hope you really didn't mean what ya said above. I've not known you to be maliciouse.
"I wish CRP2k would chime in on this, he seems to have a good knowledge of big business."
I think cpr might agree that having small town roots might have good bearing on a company just as much as bad. If a company has no roots to grow from.. it can't grow.
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kudos:4 | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. Coudersport and its surroundings is a very pleasant place to live and work.
The way its being portrayed here is that it is some place out of the dark ages. It has a theatre, resturants a thriving night life and yes even cable modem service. It is set in a beautiful part of the US and makes some of its revenue from tourism. After 9/11 there was and is many people interested in moving to the area from metropolitan areas. It is a short drive to Saint Boneventure and Mansfield University. Penn State has a campus close. Alfred State is a pretty short drive. The cost of living is low, house prices are very reasonable.
Of course it is not everybody's cup of tea but it has advantages and disadvantages as all places do.
I offer this information simply to inform the readers.
I have stated on many occasions I hate misinformation.
There are no hidden insults hidden in this post. Any you find are purely coincidental.
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Franklinville, NY | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. said by hobgoblin:
Coudersport and its surroundings is a very pleasant place to live and work.
The way its being portrayed here is that it is some place out of the dark ages.
Nobody portrayed it as anything of the sort. The Coudersport area is a gorgeous part of the country. That of course, comes from somebody that despises city life.
Of course, the drama flows wildly in Hob's post, but he's certainly right about it being a pleasant place. That doesn't mean that it's not an extremely rural area though, far removed from any "real" civilization, just like Franklinville, only Coudy is much farther away.
said by hobgoblin:
It has a theatre, resturants a thriving night life and yes even cable modem service. ..................................................After 9/11 there was and is many people interested in moving to the area from metropolitan areas.
A movie theater is not what I meant....I meant theater.
Thriving night life?...lol A couple of beer gardens do not make a thriving night life.
I'm sure that 9/11 made hoards of people seek out Coudersport, but come on!...lol
said by hobgoblin:
It is a short drive to Saint Boneventure and Mansfield University. Penn State has a campus close. Alfred State is a pretty short drive. The cost of living is low, house prices are very reasonable.
Let's take this apart one piece at a time.
A short drive to St. Bona's?
I guess if you consider over an hour, with a mostly uphill course short, I guess that's short..lol
St Bonaventure is a tiny Catholic college in Olean, NY with an almost non-existent tech program. It's gained an exemplary collegiate reputation, but not for tech training. A lot of it comes from the Basketball team.
Alfred is close to Coudersport?..with that logic, NYU is just around the corner from here..lol
How can it be that in this post you claim housing prices are low, yet you claim that your "modular" home has appreciated 80% in less than a year? I must say that any place that assesses a $70,000 house project, at $130,000 in a matter of a few months, is not someplace I want to build a house. I'm just curious about the discrepancy?
I'm going to borrow your thoughts here, to save typing. Hope you dont mind.
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I have stated on many occasions I hate misinformation.
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San Marcos, CA | I have been reading this discussion with some interest. There are actually good points being made on both sides, in between the personal insults. This decision will come down to a cost/benefit analysis. Without knowing all the details about sunk infrastructure cost, efficiencies, performance at the TAC and DCC, etc. it would be hard for an outsider to have a valid opinion. It's for these reasons I've not commented so far. But with this in mind, let me comment a bit since I was asked.
So much tech support is virtual these days. A comment was made that some companies are even using support facilities in India which makes that point in the extreme. It may be also that though the new management team would prefer to have support facilities in a different location, there is already so much invested in facilities and manpower that those factors outweigh those in favor of moving.
Ok, if it was me, and I admit I'm working on limited information, I would have done the management move to Denver. The new management team lives there. There are many senior experienced people there to draw from for the upper management levels. I believe that the vast majority of the failures that led to the Adelphia problems occurred at the director level and up. A wholesale change should be made at that level. It appears that the sunk costs in the current facilities and talent are such that they are better left where they are. It is an enormous cost, and I mean enormous cost to move people around on the scale that would be necessary. Starting with new support staff would be unbelievably disruptive. I would start a new support facility somewhere in the west as an adjunct to the existing facilities and gradually get it up to speed over time to support the growth in the high density population areas. Remember though that salary and cost of living are much higher here (SoCal) so I personally wouldn't bring any business here, but somewhere in the west might be worthwhile.
I would still cut those isolated service areas that are relatively unprofitable. It makes no business sense to expend vast resources to provide services to low density areas. The reduction is support and investment required by eliminating these areas would allow infrastructure to be shifted and provide higher quality service in the high density, higher profit growth areas.
Just my 2 cents. Thanks for asking.
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Franklinville, NY | You make good points. I just think the sticking point will be how much of the debt load that Adelphia is forgiven in bankruptcy. I think that if the huge investment becomes less of an issue through bankruptcy proceedings, that kinda kills the main argument of loss of investment.
How do you see the actual bankruptcy playing out?
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San Marcos, CA | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. It's a really interesting situation. There is actually lots of good news here. Adelphia is a cash flow generating machine, but quarterly losses are still too high. In spite of the fact that a lot of money was pissed away, there was a ton of money put into real infrastructure and hard assets. I also think the depressed per customer value is a transient thing. I don't believe it will get back up to the high water mark during the hay days of the late '90s, but I do think there is significant upside to that part of the equation. So where does that leave Adelphia? I believe there is a lot of "hidden value" lurking just under the surface. So as I said previously, I would cut the under performing areas of service, promote and grow the high margin potential and lean out the management. Then, with the value (both current and projected) on the upswing and losses falling, I would reverse split the sh*t out of the stock to the point where the institutional investors squeal If this is played right, I think Adelphia is actually poised bounce out of BK and not tip toe out.
There are still so many ways this could go. I could be wrong, but I don't think Adelphia is a good M&A play. Their assets actually work against that to a potential acquisition partner. It would just cost too much to acquire them. I would manage it the way I described above. Strictly from a business perspective, this is very interesting to watch.
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| | | | | "How do you see the actual bankruptcy playing out?"
Personally.. I see the company having to pay at LEASt 50% of its debt. If the company gets away with paying for nothing, it will hurt EVERY investment firm across Wall St.
Once everything is on the table and losses are recouped or the tally with the Rigas Family is all said and done, I see a very sucessful climb out of chapter 11.
One thing most folks haven;t really mentioned is the fact that the Rigas family ( no matter how anyone feels ) still owns a LOT of the stock of the company ( well over 50% of all voting shares ). No matter what the new management does, the Rigas entity will still play a part on what all is done with the company ( Thus Coudy will remain solvent for quite a while ).
*I* believe if push comes to shove, the Rigas family would even go as far as to barter a deal that current facilities stay in operation in Coudy for 'X' years and they wouldn't use their voting shares to protest certain events ( selling areas and such ) .
Theres a lot more on the table in the whole picture of it all then most would care to remember ( especially the new management ). | |
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San Marcos, CA | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. A significant reverse split of the outstanding shares with new shares issued to the newest bond holders should dilute out the Rigas equity percentage. Debt is not typically "repaid" in the traditional sense. Most likely the "repayment" will be in the form of the value of the stock held or new stock issued. My guess is that this will be a straight equity play based on valuation at the time of the BK versus the value at the time of re-launch. Again, very interesting stuff.
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Franklinville, NY | Well, it seems like we all agree that Adelphia will come back strong.
The only thing I don't agree with you on Jacks, is the fact that the Regis' will still hold a voting share. I think it remains to be seen what the government is going to do with them. If it's proven that the shares were obtained with illegitimate funds, they could end up owning squat.
Knowing our legal system, they'll do 1 yr hard time in a daycare center, of course the sentence will be suspended as "time served", then they'll give them back a few hundred million dollars and the key to Coudersport...lol
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Franklinville, NY | Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. I made a pretty piece of change selling Adelphia short, about a year ago. Then I bought a ton of shares @ $.12. I know I'm gonna lose em, but if they could just get it back to $10, I'd be a happy camper. Lol, $1 is a huge profit at those prices, but I'm greedy as hell...lol
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Franklinville, NY | Oh BTW, that's what I was talking about with their hard assets in PA. If most of their debt is relieved, the DCC then becomes asset, rather than debt load to the "new" Adelphia. Then it's a whole new ball game IMO
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| | | | | Re: FLAME ZONE ALERT.. If it all becomes an asset, why would they go back into the whole by causing new bills? I'm sure they already learned from that senario once, best not to play it again.
Why move whats bringing in its share of profit at this time? Why start to re-leverage everything all over again?
Wouldn't make any sence.
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