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Camden, TN | Maybe now companies will get off thier butts Why does it take until "the shit hits the fan" before people do anything? For the most intelligent species on the planet that's not too intelligent. No wonder aliens stay away. | |
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Personally I would like to see what happens. Not because I want the end of days, but I would like to see what happens to the internet and people using it. I don't know if ISP's can play the blame game with support now.
It may sound bad when I say this, but; it is just like the recession of 2007-2011. I never got to actually see one in action, since I am a millenial. I never paid attention to the 2001 recession, I was starting high school, so... now I know what it looks like in the flesh and how serious it is. Preparation is always key. I took the general economics courses, additional finance courses, and got a certificate in it JUST TO UNDERSTAND our global finance system better and boy did I make a good decision. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by battleop:It's quite an expensive venture to upgrade for many companies Sure but they had over 10 years to get this done. So no excuse.
and it's often hard to explain to customers that they have to buy a new firewall to replace the one that's operating just fine. | |
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| | | | | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts "Sure but they had over 10 years to get this done. So no excuse."
Really? Who was selling SOHO equipment that's IPv6 capable 10 years ago?
"I have a perfectly good working modem but if I want to upgrade to Charter's 60 Mg tier I need a Docsis 3.0 modem."
That's part of an upgrade. If you want to upgrade to 60Mb service that's part of the deal, and not at all unreasonable. However if you are making no changes to your service and you are told you have to buy a new router I am sure you are going to be the first person to these forums bitching about how Charter MUST GIVE you a free modem. | |
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Chandler, AZ | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by FBGuy:If ISPs would offer it, the hardware manufacturers would have made SOHO routers with ipv6 support.
with cable providers, ipv6 was not built into the docsis2 standard. there are some additional "tack ons" that can be implemented with d2 and manufacturer firmware to offer it -- but its often hit and miss between hardware manufacturers and supported cable modems with msos.
d3 has ipv6 built into the spec, so all "d3 compliant" devices support native ipv6.
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kudos:70 | agreed... My monowall router I built is ready for IPv6, my wrt54g linksys was not. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by David:agreed... My monowall router I built is ready for IPv6, my wrt54g linksys was not. Just stuff dd-wrt on it and it will be. | |
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kudos:3 | my home cisco 3745 (2 gen old and EOL) supports IPv6
before that my 2651 did (3 generations old)
so any business that running 1-2 gen old gear should be fine and not need a new firewall maybe an ios update
if they're running small business gear (linksys) then sure they need new gear but at the low cost of that gear its not a big hit | |
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San Francisco, CA | Uh, because ipv6 suck!?! Have you ever tried to access an ipv6 device by its address? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by SLD:Uh, because ipv6 suck!?! Have you ever tried to access an ipv6 device by its address?
yes and its easy | |
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| | | | What's so hard about accessing an IPv6 device by its address? I do it all the time.
And, if you don't want to have to do that, that is what DNS is for.
This is all very elementary. | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts Yeah, if you like typing your ass off. And DNS can't be used in many situations. | |
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Davenport, FL | My question is, what about all these devices that were around before IPv6 was even a consideration? I remembered there was something about implementing a compatibility layer, so that stuff that can't be updated to IPv6 could then be 'translated' to and fro, but I've not heard much about that since.
I can only imagine the chaos that would happen with the multitudes of devices out there that can't be updated to IPv6 in any way, shape or form suddenly unable to connect to anything or anyone.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by C0deZer0:My question is, what about all these devices that were around before IPv6 was even a consideration? I remembered there was something about implementing a compatibility layer, so that stuff that can't be updated to IPv6 could then be 'translated' to and fro, but I've not heard much about that since.
I can only imagine the chaos that would happen with the multitudes of devices out there that can't be updated to IPv6 in any way, shape or form suddenly unable to connect to anything or anyone.
it would be a bad year to be a comcast support rep that is for sure. even if you send customers a half dozen notices their equipment will need to be swapped(even people leasing modems who have zero cost to swapping)wont do anything until their modem gets the EOL bootfile.
Actually I am considering getting myself a Moto 6120 even though i do not have a D3 package. because D3 is still in my area meaning id still gain the stability of multiple DS channels and id have an IPv6 ready modem.
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A Windows XP computer I also have, which is networked to the Windows 7 host computer, CANNOT load »ipv6.google.com/ at all.
What do I do? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts is the win7 computer directly connected to the internet? (ie public IP on the win7 nic?) is so then its doing a tunnel to MS to reach ipv6
if you have an isp with ipv6 then you might just need to install the ipv6 protocol on the xp computer | |
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| Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by DarkLogix:is the win7 computer directly connected to the internet? (ie public IP on the win7 nic?) is so then its doing a tunnel to MS to reach ipv6 You're using technical lingo there with which I'm not very familiar. I am connected to the Internet on the Windows 7 host computer using a USB modem supplied by my provider, Sprint. It is a wireless connection to their 4G WiMax service. Does that qualify as "directly connected to the internet?" Does that qualify as "public IP on the win7 nic?"
said by DarkLogix:if you have an isp with ipv6 then you might just need to install the ipv6 protocol on the xp computer Since the Windows 7 computer connected to the internet through Sprint can access the ipv6 version of google.com, does that mean that my ISP, Sprint, has ipv6?
And if that is indeed the case, how do I install the ipv6 protocol on my xp computer? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts from the sound of it your getting a public IP on the win7 computer so its using the »technet.microsoft.com/en-us/libr···042.aspx to get IPv6 (sprint might have IPv6 native but not neccacerily
are you connecting the sprint device to the xp computer? or using the win7 as a proxy?
to install the ipv6 protocol on xp you need to follow the following info
go to network connections
right click on the network interface that your using
click install
select protocol
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For what it's worth, I went to »www.test-ipv6.com on my Windows 7 host and here were the results:
said by test-ipv6.comYour IPv4 address on the public internet appears to be 72.60.128.156
Your IPv6 address on the public internet appears to be 2002:483c:809c::483c:809c
Your IPv6 service appears to be: 6to4
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13/14 tests run
World IPv6 day is June 8th, 2011. No problems are anticipated for you with this browser, at this location. [more info : Congratulations! You appear to have both IPv4 and IPv6 internet working. If a publisher publishes to IPv6, your browser will connect using IPv6. Note: Your browser appears to prefer IPv4 over IPv6 when given the choice. This may in the future affect the accuracy of sites who guess at your location.
IPv6 Connections using DNS work; but literal IP addresses in urls do not. These are rarely used on the web today.
You appear to be using a public 6to4 gateway; your router may be providing this to you automatically. Such public gateways have no service level agreements; you may see performance problems using such. Better would be to get a native IPv6 address from your ISP. [more info]
Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have no access to the IPv6 internet, or is not configured to use it. This may in the future restrict your ability to reach IPv6-only sites. [more info]
Your readiness scores
7/10 for your IPv4 stability and readiness, when publishers offer both IPv4 and IPv6
7/10 for your IPv6 stability and readiness, when publishers are forced to go IPv6 only Is there anything in the above material, which is largely gibberish to me, that tells you whether Sprint has ipv6 native?
said by DarkLogix:are you connecting the sprint device to the xp computer? or using the win7 as a proxy? The Windows XP computer is connected to the Windows 7 computer by way of an hoc wireless network. My guess is that that means, on your terms, that the Sprint device is NOT connected to the XP computer, only to the host Windows 7 computer. In an ad hoc wireless network, does the host play the role of a proxy for the guest networked computer (that guest computer being Windows XP in my example)? I can tell you I have certainly not configured the XP browser to go through a proxy at all. So my XP computer thinks it's simply connected to a WiFi network, though it is aware that it is a computer-to-computer network, not a wireless network, as per the display in the XP computer's Wireless Network Connection window.
said by DarkLogix:to install the ipv6 protocol on xp you need to follow the following info
go to network connections
right click on the network interface that your using
click install
select protocol
click add
select microsoft TCP/IP version 6
click ok
Okay, so I went to Network Connections on my XP box. By network interface, are you referring to my current Internet connection icon in the Network Connections window? That is labeled Wireless Network Connection. I right-click that and get a list that does NOT include the install option. If I click PRoperties at that point, three tabs come up, General, Wireless Networks and Advanced. On the General tab there is an Install option. When I click that I do indeed get a three-way choice that includes Protocol. If I click Protocol and then click Add, I get two choices, Network Monitor Driver and NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS Compatible Transport Protocol, neither of which looks like MIcrosoft TCP/IP version 6, of course.
The thing is, when I go back to that General tab in Wireless Network Connection Properties I see a list of items which this connection is using. And one of those listed items is Microsoft TCP/IP version 6!! Does that mean that ipv6 is ALREADY installed on this XP computer?
Now, how about this: Is it possible the problem on my XP computer is NOT being caused by an ipv6 problem with that computer, but rather an ipv6 problem with the ad hoc wireless network that I created on my Windows 7 computer?
You see, when I go to my Network Connections window on my Windows 7 computer and then right-click the icon for my ad hoc wireless network, on the Networking tab I see that the connection is using a bunch of items, all of which are checked, with one exception: You guessed it, it's the Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6). Might this, in fact be the solution? Might it perhaps be correct that I shouldn't touch my XP computer at all?
Excuse my abundance of caution here. I'm honestly not playing dumb. It's just that it took me the better part of a WEEK to get my ad hoc wireless network humming happily back in early December (lots of quirks), and I tread very carefully when it comes to monkeying with it in any way.
Thanks again for your help, and I look forward to more feedback from you. | |
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| Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by criggs:when I go to my Network Connections window on my Windows 7 computer and then right-click the icon for my ad hoc wireless network, on the Networking tab I see that the connection is using a bunch of items, all of which are checked, with one exception: You guessed it, it's the Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6). Might this, in fact be the solution? Might it perhaps be correct that I shouldn't touch my XP computer at all? That was it!!! My networked Windows XP computer can now pull up ipv6 sites with no problem. Whew! I'm ready for ipv6 day (I hope). | |
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| | | C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
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Davenport, FL | said by criggs:said by C0deZer0:I can only imagine the chaos that would happen with the multitudes of devices out there that can't be updated to IPv6 in any way, shape or form suddenly unable to connect to anything or anyone. Speaking of which, my host computer, which is Windows 7 Home Premium, can access Google's IPv6 site at » ipv6.google.com/ with no problem at all. A Windows XP computer I also have, which is networked to the Windows 7 host computer, CANNOT load » ipv6.google.com/ at all. What do I do? I was also talking about all those different internet appliances that have long since not received updates... and for all we know, even current-gen consoles like the 360, Wii and PS3 can't support it either, much less stuff that used dialup only, like the Dreamcast.
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| | | | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts Yes! Just in time for 2012! WooHoo!
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But this isn't the shit hitting the fan. This is just IANA being unable to allocate IPv4 blocks to the 5 regional registrars. These registrars themselves still have plenty of IPv4 addresses to assign to their end customers.
And those end customers, if they know what they are doing, still have plenty of IPv4 space themselves.
Unless there is some big ISP out there experiencing explosive growth, and I doubt there is, IPv4 addresses are going to be available to hand out to customers for 2 - 4 years from now.
It's the content providers that are for the most part waiting for the shit to hit the fan. If an ISP were to turn up IPv6 only customers starting from today, those customers wouldn't be able to get to even 50% of the Internet without NATing through IPv4 somewhere along the way. And that is just a mess. | |
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| | | | Re: Maybe now companies will get off thier butts said by nukscull :said by BF69:Why does it take until "the shit hits the fan" before people do anything? For the most intelligent species on the planet that's not too intelligent. No wonder aliens stay away.
Unless there is some big ISP out there experiencing explosive growth, and I doubt there is, IPv4 addresses are going to be available to hand out to customers for 2 - 4 years from now. I wish this were true. APnic alone is going through a /8 per month. Many RIRs are projected to be out THIS YEAR... All APnic reserves including their two new /8's and last /8 per global policy will be gone in about 6 months.
ISPs don't get to hoard massive reserves of addresses due to documentation requirements and policy when applying for additional space.
The era of CGN is upon us. The only way out is IPv6. | |
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Mount Airy, MD |  Self-Caused Problem
»www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-ad···pace.xml
Does GE really need every 3.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
Does Xerox really need every 13.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
Does Apple really need every 17.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
Does MIT really need every 18.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
Does Ford really need every 19.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
Does Halliburton really need every 34.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
Does PSINet (they even still in business?) really need every 38.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
Does Eli Lily really need every 40.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address?
These are just a few of the /8 block allocations of old. Go check out the link, if these /8 blocks were subdivided, there would be far more IP addresses to go around.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | what about my IPs? Ok so now I am billed for one IP and I use a NAT router(Asus RT-N16 running DD-WRT) I am guessing my firmware can be made IPv6 since its open source but how does IPv6 effect my day to day usage of my LAN? will all my computers still see each other and will their having IPs on the LAN be effected by Comcast now having to be my DHCP server(as NAT does not work with IPv6, id imagine all devices on my network would need an ISP assigned address).
and the vital question from the consumer angle, how many will I get with my service? if I cannot use NAT that means every device in the house that needs connectivity will need an IP and that means it will be expensive or the ISPs will have to actually allocate each home about 20 of them. which under IPv6 is a water molecule in the bucket but the business suits will have to understand that too as they set the billing and plans, not people who actually understand the tech.
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kudos:3 | Re: what about my IPs? based on the info in the standard they should be handing out /64's in the place of single ip's
why? you ask
is your net is a /64 then it can auto assign ipv6 ip's without a dhcp server and can just auto discover itsself
I would think a business thats currently getting a /29 would be getting something along the lines of a /60 so they could have 8 /64's (minus 1 for the isp to your router link) then you could use 7 vlans each with a /64
though this could be an issue for medium sized busnesses with multiple offices with multiple public links and an mpls (they would ether need to step up to BGP or work out internal routing for the ranges assigned and also for external)
but all that could be sorted easily and a /60 would be better than giving /48's to every company | |
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Sunnyvale, CA | Re: what about my IPs? There is no way that I will endorse any corporation in the future from going to IPV6 internally. It is simply over-engineered, less robust, etc. etc. The RFC 1918 allocation ranges will continue to utilized.
Carriers can play with IPV6 all they want. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: what about my IPs? have you even used it? have you played with VLSM'ing it?
if anything its more robust as you don't need a dhcp server and can always work it to fit yourtopology in a logical way
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Your comment makes you sound like someone that either doesn't know IPv6, or is unable to/doesn't want to learn IPv6.
If you are really in a capacity to endorse solutions for corporations, I feel sorry for those corporations choosing the wrong person for the job. | |
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Sunnyvale, CA | Re: what about my IPs? Perhaps I should say it's not as tested for robustness. It clearly offers many operational benefits, but those don't necessary outweigh the security deficits.
I don't usually site books, but this one is quiet informative: »www.amazon.com/IPv6-Security-Sco···87055945
The protocol itself adds complexity to understand and manage. IPv4 has all the limitations fairly flushed out.
IPv6 gives us extension headers to utilize for evasion and overflowing methods.
Creating large routing groups allows for over a 88x amplification attack for dos'ing.
The use of jumbograms on networks with improperly set MTU's can cause fragmentation issues further allowing for evasion methods.
6to4 tunnels bring a host problems with them as they try and bridge the gap.
So now we have to replace routers, firewalls, proxys, ids/ips, various end point protection products etc. Then we have to rely on those new products functioning as well, and not having their own host of new issues to contend with. We need to update procedures, train staff, assess, etc.
We have new ipv6 kernel code that has already been demonstrated to allow for new buffer overflows/memory corruption etc. It's a new game for 'testing' for robustness.
Forget security, That's expensive for large corporations. It will be very hard to explain to senior management why we need to spend millions to replace our infrastructure to realize no practical gains.
I'm sorry you feel the need to troll a little; let's try and stay on topic. | |
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canada | So, how much $$$ Is this going to cost me?
I pay a monthly fee for one static ip, how much more for every device on my LAN which will suddenly need a public ip? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: So, how much $$$ if the ISP's do it in a non-dumb way your 1 static will become a /64 range | |
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canada | Re: So, how much $$$ That's a big if right there.
Actually one smaller indi isp has just stated that a /64 will be given to their customers at no charge.
i feel for the customers that are network challenged. | |
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San Jose, CA | More FUD than fact "IANA allocated the last /8" is not the same as "everyone is out of IPv4 addresses."
The RIR that acquires the last /8 has 16,777,214 IPs to allocate. That's still quite a lot of customers that can be served yet. Plus the big ISPs own lots of untapped address space in their existing blocks. Add that to the practice of NATing customer's internal LANs and you have many millions of usable IPs left.
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San Jose, CA | Re: More FUD than fact quote:
"It doesn't mean there are no IPv4 addresses available. This is not the absolute end, but this is the definitive point where people know that we are indeed going to run out of IPv4 addresses and that they need to begin the planning for how to operate their businesses without receiving additional IPv4 addresses."
John Curran, ARIN
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