The Internet Is Broken, Now Buy My Magic SolutionArpanet designer Larry Roberts still pushing new router technology... 04:09PM Wednesday Jul 15 2009 by Karl Bodetags: business · hardware · networkingLarry Roberts, a team member on the original Arpanet, has been complaining that the Internet has been "broken," for a while. He's been doing this because, as we've noted for several years now, he's been trying to sell new flow routing technology for his company, Anagran. Techdirt notes that Roberts is back again in an article for PC Authority, still insisting several years later that the Internet will break any day now, and still pushing flow control technology he claims will keep the 'Net from imploding: "Directing traffic in terms of flows rather than individual packets improves the utilization of networks. By eliminating the excessive delays and random packet losses typical of traditional routers, flow management fills communication links with more data and protects voice and video streams. And it does all that without requiring changes to the time-tested TCP/IP protocol." As Techdirt laments, nobody at PC Authority bothers to get a second opinion on the state of the Internet's health, and the bit reads more like a press release than a news report. Roberts' Arpanet credibility apparently has very long legs, as every time he pulls the "Internet is broken" sales pitch out of his bag, numerous news outlets treat his pronouncements as revolutionary and new, whether it's true or not. Related:- Testing The 'Lag Killing' Gaming NIC
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  sayitaintso
@comcast.net
| it's not the internet whose broken its the press & the govt i worked in large company, we used to heavily advertise in all major publications in our industry where we used to buy 12 months at a time, mostly inner front covers and back covers.
what i learned is basically if you bought the back page, you also bought the front page, we paid authors to write the content we wanted and we bought editing rights.
so when you read the nice review, that nice article about some hot new thingy, watch out! | |
|  |  |   baineschile 2600 Premium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Green I thought it was ralph nader when i first saw the picture. | |
|  wentlanc You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH
| What about CRC? CRC checking, and retransmissions were built into the protocol to ensure reliable data structure. It seems that breaking those checks sets you up for a possibility of issues over unstable links. I believe you could actually cause higher load of traffic if you have to retransmit an entire flow, instead of a single packet. I'd like to see how they handle that.
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|  |  DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX | Re: What about CRC? its been done read the Ars artical on this Cisco has built and sold Flow based routing.switching hardware before | |
|   NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX
| This guy smokes some good stuff. I'm not sure what crack this guys is smoking but MPLS is flows based and it's already dominant with large bulk carriers. Were not going to ditch billions in investments just to switch to something we already have. -- Play a Death Knight? www.theebonhold.com | |
|  ender7074
join:2006-11-21 Saint Louis, MO | Uh Oh! He'd better watch out. Al Gore doesn't like it when people knock his inventions like the internet and global warming. -- Does Microsoft mean small and squishy? | |
|  |  DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX | Re: Uh Oh! Ya next think you know we'll have a Cap and Network bill in congress | |
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1 edit | Interesting thoughts This quote towards the end of the article is interesting:
"Instead he suggests viewing data flows are a contiguous unit for some applications" Well, yes, that's the idea; in the analog realm, a "flow" of video, or audio is exactly that - contiguous - by definition.
Throwing what is originally an analog piece of material onto a data network, into many small pieces, possibly out of order, not arriving on time, etc. makes for an interesting situation. In many cases, it works because as he mentioned, carriers have enough capacity. Data can be passed fast enough to be buffered, re-assembled, and presented in an analog (contiguous) fashion. ...Your Netflix movie plays smoothly, and/or your music doesn't skip...
I see potential, but I have to wonder about many of the details. Also, as others have mentioned - other companies have done some similar things. Wonder how it stacks up, if it's compatible, etc. etc. etc... Obviously people won't ditch something they've already invested in if it works. This would have to be very compatible, and if it had anything else going for it, would still have to be compatible on a basic level (sounds like it is...).
Neat stuff, even if it does sound like a PR piece.
--- EDIT ...Oh, and BTW, TCP/IP is a suite of protocols  | |
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@telus.net | Re: Interesting thoughts HAHAHA ya when it comes to old/CEO type people i have little faith in their view of how the world(internet) should work.... | |
|  |   mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Imperfect?... yes. Broken?... not so much. His solution may improve routing (or not), but will it matter enough to justify a revamp? (don't know, not really that concerned)
I'll leave it up to the network mgr. and Purchasing. | |
|  progrocktv
join:2009-04-27 | WHAT? The Internet is broken?!?!?!
ALRIGHT, who Googled "google"?!?!?! | |
|  |  |  |   JonZ Terminatrix Reloaded
join:2002-05-18 1 edit | Maybe it was Xzibit | |
|  |  |  |  |  carolx79
join:2007-05-04 Frankfort, IN | Re: WHAT? LMAF now thats funny. | |
|  |   ARGONAUT got ping?
join:2006-01-24 New Albany, IN | The Internetz is just fine. "The porn is flowing as scheduled" | |
|  |  |  |   moddestmike
join:2009-01-26 Fresno, TX
| said by progrocktv :The Internet is broken?!?!?! ALRIGHT, who Googled "google"?!?!?! This is what happens when you divide by zero. | |
|   SuperJoker
join:2005-11-21 Yermo, CA | Shields Up, RED Alert! The Klingons are coming, The Klingons are coming, Yeah Right and I'm their worst nightmare, a mean low down stinkin Tribble. Phazers are locked on target and ready to fire...  | |
|   n2jtx
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·Optimum Online
| IEEE The July issue of IEEE's Spectrum covered the same topic. One does come away with the thought that it was more of a sales pitch than a news story. I guess the same thing happened with PC Authority. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears. | |
|  |  cornelius785
join:2006-10-26 Worcester, MA
| Re: IEEE I also came across the IEEE article. It did seem like it was more of seeling his product/idea for money. I also got a chuckle out of the diagram illustrating the idea from: only p2p packets get dropped and voice and web packet magically increase by a factor of 2.
we all know that p2p is bad all the time and clogs all of the internets' tubes (sarcasm).
If he was out to improve the internet, he'd write a couple conference papers or journal articles outlining the whole thing (why do it, how to do, benchmark it, and compare to existing or newly proposed methods), instead an artilce that reads like a sales brochure is created. | |
|   Hpower Roflmao
join:2000-06-08 Glendale, CA
·Charter Pipeline
| Smoke much? This guy must smoke some crazy stuff saying he has the solution to the broken internet. I laughed at the part where he said he doesn't know how to use a computer but has the solution to the broken internet. Hmmmm.....mmkkay....? lol -- The Internet is about to go down....it is actually. | |
|  cornelius785
join:2006-10-26 Worcester, MA
| I wouldn't consider it broken But I think it could be more efficient to allow for better end user performance allow for packets that are time sensitive (VoIP, gaming, real time video, and the like) be pushed over packets that aren't (streaming video, mass data transfers, etc.). With this approach i'd be concern that some packets would be dropped intentionally. | |
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