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The MPAA's Wishlist For The Obama Presidency
Filters, three strikes and you're out anti-piracy policies...
The transition team of President-elect Barack Obama, in an interesting effort at transparency, has been publicizing all of their meetings with interest groups to their website, and that includes any material being presented by those groups (with public feedback). Whether that accomplishes anything remains to be seen, but it does allow us to see, oh, things like what the MPAA's demands from the Obama Presidency will be. Within the MPAA's wish list (pdf) are requests for "automated detection and removal of infringing content" (ISP filters) and a desire to see the U.S. adopt efforts similar to those recently implemented in the UK and France ("three strikes" polices where your broadband connection is terminated upon the receipt of three DMCA warnings).
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Matt3
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3 Strikes and You're Out

I don't have a problem with the 3 strikes policy. There HAS to be valid proof and an appeals process however. But if you get 3 legitimate notices for pirating warez/music/movies and you don't learn your lesson ... you never will.

PapaJoe
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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady.

Matt3
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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

said by PapaJoe:

The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady.
I agree, which is why there has to be an independent organization and an appeals process. I absolutely would not support a 3 strikes system if the MPAA/RIAA/BSA dictated directly to the ISPs who "they" felt were offenders via DMCA letters or whatever form they chose.

There would also have to be strict guidelines around what is considered infringement and what isn't.

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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

Oh what, a system that can be manipulated to frame a printer isn't good enough for you, huh?
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i do not support the MafIAA.. they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
i do not believe downloading music/movies/etc is considered to be pirating.

because downloading pirated songs actually would encourage people to buy the CD's if the MafIAA didn't fuck up.

we need to explore beyond what's at the top 40 play lists and allow other artists to be heard.

remember, i bought more cd's as a result of me downloading the song from napster before it got ruined.

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.

-Rob

Matt3
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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

said by Rob_:

i do not support the MafIAA.. they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
i do not believe downloading music/movies/etc is considered to be pirating.

because downloading pirated songs actually would encourage people to buy the CD's if the MafIAA didn't fuck up.

we need to explore beyond what's at the top 40 play lists and allow other artists to be heard.

remember, i bought more cd's as a result of me downloading the song from napster before it got ruined.

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.

-Rob

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said by Rob_:

»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.
I wish they would release it for Vista. I always use PG2, but sometimes I am on my laptop which has Vista and I'm not able to.

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»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ is also good protection.
Using PeerGuardian is the equivalent of putting on a condom and then stabbing yourself with a bunch of HIV-infected needles.
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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

this has mixed reviews but it's better then nothing!

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There is no such thing an independent organization. And who is going to pay for it? The U.S. government(us) so the independent organization can become corrupted by any interest group or the MPAA so the independent organization always sides with them?

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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

said by insomniac84:

There is no such thing an independent organization. And who is going to pay for it? The U.S. government(us) so the independent organization can become corrupted by any interest group or the MPAA so the independent organization always sides with them?
Exactly. So the three strikes thing should be struck down.

OR should have a clause that says the MAFIAA has to pay any wrongly accused/mistaken notification victim say $100,000.

That may cool their jets.

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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

said by KrK:

OR should have a clause that says the MAFIAA has to pay any wrongly accused/mistaken notification victim say $100,000,000.

That may cool their jets.
You need to add a few more zeros to that figure before they will be more cautious, bub.
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said by PapaJoe:

The problem is MPAA would just send out warnings without proof. Historically their tactics have been very shady.
So why not just send three DMCA takedown notices to the MPAA's ISP? The ISP would have to shut them down as they could not make exceptions "just because".
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Here is the piece that bothers me….
Currently, the **AA organizations are blanketing ISP with DMCA request . These request are processed with practically no evidence. The only proof being presented is that sometime in the past, something was shared and that something has a filename that loosely resembles the title of an item they hold a copyright to. At present, the burden of proof is on me, the accused to utilize my financial resources and prove that this file, for the sake of argument is my kid’s musical recital or perhaps an independent film of my own creation. Why should I have to prove this? Shouldn’t they have to prove my guilt through the preponderance of evidence, which is none except a simple filename.

Should an appeal process exist, it would without a doubt become so backlogged and in turn seemly ineffective. Then we have the question, who would pay for this arbitrating process? …the taxpayers, the ISP’s, the **AA, me? …none are suitable answers.

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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

Remember, we're dealing with people who think that buying a used CD is "stealing" from them or that failing to watch every advertisement = theft of service.

'Tards.

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Re: 3 Strikes and You're Out

Sounds to me the three strikes policy should apply to the **ia organizations instead what with all the false lawsuits that are being uncovered lately.
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they should have to have absolute evidence that the person was committing the crime.

also since the economy is tougher, the ISP should charge the MPAA/RIAA with a $5,000 filing and research fee when a DMCA request is submitted that does not have a court order from a court local to the person they have in question.

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In my book, any "3 Strikes" policy MUST include SEVERE punishment if the **AA's do not have PROOF. (How about up to $150,000 per incident, per day.)

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O' Canaduh

We Canadian people are sheep. Please step all over us in a fascist manner. We will barely protest. And if we protest, the Government will ignore us or pepper spray us. And then the government will just keep doing things in secret, as always.

Remember that 3% of Canadians create and submit and finalize our bogus laws to control the people.

No, this post is not from the Twilight zone. It's just representative of what you don't read in Canadian media.

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Re: O' Canaduh

said by zalternate:

We Canadian people are sheep. Please step all over us in a fascist manner. We will barely protest. And if we protest, the Government will ignore us or pepper spray us. And then the government will just keep doing things in secret, as always.

Remember that 3% of Canadians create and submit and finalize our bogus laws to control the people.

No, this post is not from the Twilight zone. It's just representative of what you don't read in Canadian media.
Hey! we're sheeple too, ya know

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They'll never learn...

Interesting to see the premise of the MPAA losing money is due to piracy. It has nothing to do with the content that they're promoting. Hopefully this will blow up in their face. I think the President elect better get up to snuff on the invalidity of their argument as well as the "metered billing is the only way to avoid a bandwidth crunch" fallacy!

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Re: They'll never learn...

said by S_engineer:

Interesting to see the premise of the MPAA losing money is due to piracy. It has nothing to do with the content that they're promoting.
It is both.

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Re: They'll never learn...

said by FFH5:
said by S_engineer:

Interesting to see the premise of the MPAA losing money is due to piracy. It has nothing to do with the content that they're promoting.
It is both.
Actually, have you been paying attention to the economy lately?
Who has extra money to spend on CD's, DVDs and the like when you are either out of a job, your bills exceed your income and you are heavily in debt, or you are just waiting for the axe to fall on your job because your employer is on shaky ground?
The **AA's need to wake up and realize that everyone in business is losing money right and left, and it is not due to piracy alone, if applicable.
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said by FFH5:
said by S_engineer:

Interesting to see the premise of the MPAA losing money is due to piracy. It has nothing to do with the content that they're promoting.
It is both.
P2P piracy probably doesnt even cost them 50 million, however the big time piracy rings that usually are linked to the asian or russian crime rings cost them billions.

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It's DVDs and video games that give tons more for your dollar than a $15 audio CD with just an hour's worth of music.

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said by S_engineer:

Interesting to see the premise of the MPAA losing money is due to piracy.
I think its more due to their lack of finding talent. theres no music today worth pirating!

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lol who cares?

Obama is the messiah... he can do as he wants... he can raise the waters if he wants... Obama is awesomeness!!!!

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said by inferno4:

Obama is the messiah... he can do as he wants... he can raise the waters if he wants... Obama is awesomeness!!!!
smoking crack again,eh?

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Um, he's not even IN OFFICE yet..

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Re: lol who cares?

said by Glaice:

Um, he's not even IN OFFICE yet..
He doesn't have to be. All of the media that worship him are saying that Bush should resign and he should take over tomorrow... (Yea ton of crazy idiotic liberals out there)

But anyway... Obama is the messiah... he will do as he wants...

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Re: lol who cares?

said by Glaice:

he will do as he wants...
Worked for the last guy!

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said by inferno4:

said by Glaice:

Um, he's not even IN OFFICE yet..
He doesn't have to be. All of the media that worship him are saying that Bush should resign and he should take over tomorrow...
He should and it's not just the media who feels that way.

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said by inferno4:
said by Glaice:

Um, he's not even IN OFFICE yet..
He doesn't have to be. All of the media that worship him are saying that Bush should resign and he should take over tomorrow... (Yea ton of crazy idiotic liberals out there)

But anyway... Obama is the messiah... he will do as he wants...
Bush outta resign, period.

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Stuff

What is this world coming too, I mean when the big entertainment companies don't have the hundred dollar bills they use to wipe their ass what are we going to do? This is sheer terror! I mean really though, I don't support stealing. Its just how the industry is, for the longest time they would charge whatever they wanted to for a CD, then when their money flow changes because they were charging to much for a CD and people found a better cheaper way to get the music they want they freak out because the money pot is short. I just think that rather then scaring the people back into their old ways of charging 20 dollars for a CD, they need to join the digital revolution. The only way they are going to survive is to sell what the people want to buy, not force them to buy what they want to sell.

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My Wishlist For Obama

1. Please go back to Kenya.
2. If you decide to fight pirates, look to the seven seas first.
3. Don't concern yourself with bullshit like the MPAA's wishlist.

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bailouts

I'm surprised they're not asking for billion dollar bailouts due to piracy
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said by Assault:

I'm surprised they're not asking for billion dollar bailouts due to piracy
I believe that is in step 3, but we really don't know!

Step 1. Sue everyone in sight
Step 2. Ask President to strip the rights of US citizens
Step 3. ?????
Step 4. Profit

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said by Assault:

I'm surprised they're not asking for billion dollar bailouts due to piracy
Give it time.

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They want their cake and to eat it to.

Did you READ the document?
The MPAA want's the VALUE of the MOVIE to be based on the cost of the production of the MEDIA. Which is about $.10 cents.
They ALSO want to be able to send their media over the internet.

Yet, they want ISP's to filter said media.

So, which one is it going to be. Do they want to be able to use the internet to distribute, or do they want the ISP's to block it all?

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Three Strikes and OOPS!!

Guilty until proved Innocent even if they target the wrong person/IP.

Sorry but their request makes no legal sense.
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the music industry should thank piracy

without piracy the MP3 likely would never have taken off, so things like ipods wouldnt have a reason to exist and as such their automatic profit machines(aka digital download stores like iTunes and others) would never exist. digital downloads are nearly pure profit when you think about the cost of bulk bandwidth and server maintance vs disc fab and trucking.

asdfdfdfdfdfdf
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This is why those people condemning collective licensing...

need to rethink. This is why I am so frustrated by the attitudes of people in the other thread. We are all shooting ourselves in the foot out of spite toward the industry.

»Debating an ISP Piracy Tax [94] comments

It is in all our interests to find a solution that can balance consumer and industry interests.

If the situation continues indefinitely in this stalemate the government will become more and more willing to turn to solutions like forcing isp services to crack down on infringement, filter and monitor all of our activities. We are seeing this happening in other countries. This would be an appalling result and would further the move toward legitimizing things like deep packet inspection, which would facilitate all kinds of nasty intentions that the incumbent communication companies have to subvert competition. The consequences would also be far reaching for our privacy and liberty.

We will all end up paying a very heavy price for the refusal of some people to compromise. Purists often impose a lot of unpleasant side effects on others.

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Here's a wishlist for ya...

I have two ideas on this, the first of which is original to me, the second of of which I read somewhere (might even have been here - I can't recall).


  1. The US Congress has repeatedly extended copyright terms at the request of the entertainment industry. Well and good -- that is their contitutional function. However, every such extension is, by definition, a diminution of the public domain. As such, it is a "taking", and the public should be compensated as provided by the 5th Amendment. And who better to provide such compensation than the very industry who has so far benefitted from such takings?
  2. The various entertainment industries consider their IP to be real property -- hence the terms "piracy" or "theft" for what is in fact various acts of copyright infringment. Fine. Let's extend the metaphor to its logical conclusion. Real property is subject to various taxes. Let the entertainment industry have any copyright extensions it calls for. And lets tax every last piece of "intellectual property" they own. I'm guessing that a very large chunk of previously closely-held IP would very quickly fall into the public domain were we to demand such a tax.


  3. As Porky Pig famously said "Ththththata's all folks!"
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Re: Here's a wishlist for ya...

heh, hey that Porky Pig statement is copyrighted. YOU ARE STEALING!!! YOU LITTLE THIEF !!! LOL

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Yea three "warnings" is crap

Sorry but disconnect for warnings is BS to the Nth degree.

Now, if it's actually PROVEN that you've infringed 3 times then ok well maybe that might work.

But warnings? LOL!! Yea we know how accurate those have been.

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Get a grip!

I haven't posted here in years, I still pop by and troll from time to time, this is obnoxious! Not that I voted for or support President Elect Obama, but I feel bad for the job he is about to undertake. He is walking in to the biggest mess we as a nation or civilization have ever seen. The ship is taking on water so fast I can't imagine any possible way to fix things. The Riaa Mpaa should go to he!! the last thing the incoming president needs to be concerned with is this nonsense! These morons should open their eyes and see that we've got much bigger problems then whether or not someone downloads a copy written song or movie. I think the transition team even giving them the time of day just shows how not ready they are to govern in this crisis. And the MPAA continues to show that they are a dinosaur that needs to be extinct.

no one
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they just dont get it.

At last count wasn't something like half of all internet traffic in the USA all P2P traffic. The MAfiaa's need to understand that times have changed. People want to get there music/movies in different ways and use it the way they want to use it. Sometimes you don't want the movie with 2 million hours of extra crap footage, or the latest wonderteen make your ears bleed crap song.

I can see it know, half of the US gets banned from the net for warning letters.
no one

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Anon

At last count wasn't something like half of all internet traffic in the USA all P2P traffic. The MAfiaa's need to understand that times have changed. People want to get there music/movies in different ways and use it the way they want to use it. Sometimes you don't want the movie with 2 million hours of extra crap footage, or the latest wonderteen make your ears bleed crap song.

I can see it now, half of the US gets banned from the net for warning letters.