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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ It's a matter of national security. If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear. You're either with us or you're with the terrorists. It's for the children.
Ok, I think I've covered all the usual platitudes. | |
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Glendale, AZ | Re: Wasting more $$$ said by mikedz4:where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights.
We have no freedoms or rights in this country since the new dictator took over. | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ I've got some news for you, the new dictator has been doing more of the same thing as the last several dictators. Certainly there was a post 9/11 executive power grab but that mostly happened under Bush. Not that it wouldn't have happened under Clinton or Obama, it's just when the opportunity presented itself. | |
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kudos:1 | said by phxmark:said by mikedz4:where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights.
We have no freedoms or rights in this country since the new dictator took over. You have NO understanding of history to say that, NO understanding. Whether you like him or not to call the president a dictator shows ignorance and lack of education. | |
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Middleburg, PA | Re: Wasting more $$$ I think the president is a socialist. Not saying so shows your lack of education. | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ I guess that's where we are now. Anyone who's slightly left of center is a socialist and anyone who's slightly right of center is a fascist, who needs context. The strange thing is that everything in America feels so similar despite the fascist's administration being replaced by the socialist's in 2009. It's almost like they're working for the same lobbyists despite their differing labels. | |
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Tallahassee, FL | said by mist668:I think the president is a socialist. Not saying so shows your lack of education.
Try to find a socialist that believes Obama supports their ideas. Hint: you won't find one. | |
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Before 9/11? Definitely not.
They've been snooping even before, the technologies and methodologies were not just as advanced.
In the morning of 9/11, before the second tower was attacked, I sent out a text message to my sister (who lives overseas) informing her about what happened to the WTC. In a matter of a few minutes, I got a mysterious call. Apparently, they were looking for some people, and obviously I told her she probably got the wrong number.
Then the lady heard I'm watching the news. She casually said, "Oh, you're watching that too ...". She apologized, and hung up.
I never got wrong numbers on that phone before, and only family members and very close friends new about that number.
After that call, I immediately suspected that my number got flagged because of the text message I sent.
Instead of getting mad, I was impressed, and hoped they track the badies.
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You are a fool if you think the safety you are getting comes anywhere close to the cost in rights and liberties you are given up.
The forefathers had great insight into the corruption and power hunger that feeds the governmental beast. Well beyond even they could imagine. Slowly, we the people are allowing them to remove all hurdles to absolute power all in the name of our safety.
Do you realize it is "One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country."? (quote attributed to Charlie Reese articles.orlandosentinel.com/201···con-game) Thats right, those 545 people are 100% responsible for every problem this country has had and will have and nothing will change until we make it.
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kudos:2 | Re: Wasting more $$$ said by pende_tim:So how do you feel knowing that all your calls, texts, e-mails and web searches since that day will be eventually be stored in Utah for analysis? Mine already are. 
As if Google has not been doing this for years anyway?  | |
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amazes me how much leeway google gets on this site considering that any and all large companies are evil around here | |
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Troy, NY | said by tcope:said by pende_tim:So how do you feel knowing that all your calls, texts, e-mails and web searches since that day will be eventually be stored in Utah for analysis? Mine already are. As if Google has not been doing this for years anyway? Google can't "disappear" you into some third-world country for "enhanced interrogation" just because you said something that made you a "person of interest".
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Springfield, MO | said by mikedz4:where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights.
up to there eyes in data and not enough people to sort it out
this whole thing is short that data so it takes less humans to sort though more data then ever be for
think of it like this your in a stadium trying to listen in on EVERY conversation at once but you only have 10 people thats what happened with 9-11 | |
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Springfield, MO | Re: Wasting more $$$ not saying it hasnt again know people that worked at NSA HQ
its just they had always had and imo will always have far more data then they can sort out but with data centers like this doing more of the sorting they can sift though it MUCH faster then 10 years ago
btw ECHELON is VERY slow(relatively) and takes a wile to chew though data
»www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/s···ory.html
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ I never did trust AES because of it being the official cypher of the US government. If they're encouraging general use, it means they have a way of breaking it. Use Twofish, Serpent, Rijndael, or even a some combination of them, and don't skimp on the bits. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Wasting more $$$ Is there a way to utilize others in OpenVPN? | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ I'm not familiar with OpenVPN. | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ You're absolutely right, I stand corrected. | |
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Troy, NY | Re: Wasting more $$$ It's okay when WE do it. We're the good guys! How do you know we're the good guys? Because we say so!
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| said by vpoko:It's a matter of national security. If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear. You're either with us or you're with the terrorists. It's for the children.
Ok, I think I've covered all the usual platitudes.
You left out Copyright Infringement
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Billings, MT | Re: Wasting more $$$ I wouldn't put it pass them. For just the right amount of money, the NSA can find every copyright infringer in the world. | |
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Tallahassee, FL | said by vpoko:If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear. Even those of us doing right deserve privacy, freedom and dignity. If you don't like your freedoms, move to a country that openly embraces you distopia. | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ Oye, do people have reading comprehension issues or is it just a poor vocabulary? Hint: when I called my own expressions "platitudes" that might have meant I wasn't actually endorsing them. | |
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: Wasting more $$$ said by vpoko:Oye, do people have reading comprehension issues or is it just a poor vocabulary? Hint: when I called my own expressions "platitudes" that might have meant I wasn't actually endorsing them.
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America | Re: Wasting more $$$ Who do you think is manufacturing 99% of the actual hardware that will end up in the guts of this beast?  | |
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Westminster, MD | Re: Wasting more $$$ said by Kearnstd:NASA would be a better place for this 2bil and another 40+ million per year. NASA actually does something, the NSA seems to just cost money and never actually benefit us.
Like plant flags on the moon?
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: Wasting more $$$ said by old_dawg:said by Kearnstd:NASA would be a better place for this 2bil and another 40+ million per year. NASA actually does something, the NSA seems to just cost money and never actually benefit us.
Like plant flags on the moon? Yes, in NASA's history the only thing it has ever accomplished is putting a flag on the moon.
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kudos:5 | I worked out of a secure facility like that, though it was a little bit smaller. The computer bays were designed to survive airplane hits, 150 mph hurricanes and tornadoes, etc.
To get in to the facility you had to go thru 2 guard stations. And that was just for the office part. To get back in to the server farm, telecom and network gear areas, network control center, and the mechanical and power rooms you had to proceed thru a 1 person at a time guarded isolation booth. The booth checked your weight, hand geometry, and iris scan, and blew air over you checking for any explosive materials, as well as your id card scan. Change of shift for the network operators was quite a production.
When my staff had to get back there to work on telecom/network gear it took a few minutes just to get a couple techs in to the work areas.
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I wish more people would understand that this was done for commercial reasons, and not national security. It's all about "jobs", no matter if they are temp(construction of the building), or coming out of tax payer pockets(operations of this building).
Personally, working for the gov is like being a "career student", as you really never have to do "real work". | |
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4 edits | Sorry, I was using a little historical reference.
One time pads were often termed "short ciphers' because during the cold war diplomats carried the keys in a envelope thus the both the message and the cipher had to be "short"
Surprised an expert like your didn't know that. But I guess that's the difference of learning something in a classroom vs Wikipedia 
Further more, about factoring. There is overwhelming statistical evidence that there is indeed no pattern to larger prime numbers which would be a requirement for the premise. ( think about why that is )
I don't know of any literature that does not concede this point. Similar to the evidence of Fermat's last theorem being true. Just because we lack a formal proof doesn't mean that we don't have a pretty good idea of the answer. ( and Fermat's last theorem was indeed proven true, which was an almost certainty given its statistical evidence and lack of a simple counter example ) | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ From the sounds of it, I don't think you've ever studied this in a classroom, you're just regurgitating incomplete ideas that you read without understanding. First you said that current ciphers are mathematically proven to be secure, now you're saying, "Just because we don't have a formal proof..." You can't have it both ways. Again, the only current cipher that's provably secure is the one time pad. | |
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4 edits | Re: Wasting more $$$ Once again, the idea that P=NP is so universally rejected that I can only assume your trying to troll or are very ignorant and simply don't read the literature.
Also on a very related topic, you blissfully unaware that every piece of modern literature suggest with almost certainty that there is no pattern to the larger prime numbers.
That doesn't bode well for P = NP does it?
Lastly, I can forgive not knowing my dated term "short cipher" since beyond a few old books I have I bet its NEVER used since it can be confused with a literal short cipher.
Now, who was the one talking out of their ass again? | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Wasting more $$$ I take back the part about you talking out of your ass, I think you do know what you're talking about but we're just talking past each other.
No, I don't think that P=NP (though some respected computer scientists, like Richard Lipton, do). I was using it as an example of why current ciphers are not provably secure. In math, provable has a very precise meaning. If there is no formal proof, then it's not proven. Again, I'm not trying to patronize you since I'm guessing you understand this and were just using a more colloquial definition for the word proof, but that definition should never be combined with the word "mathematical" since now you're in real proof territory.
I'm also far from convinced that RSA is actually 100% secure, even in practice (I'm mentioning RSA since we're talking about factoring, even though the article is about AES). This is for much more pedestrian reasons than the tiny possibility that P=NP. For one, once a quantum computer with enough qubits is built, RSA will have been broken. Another reason is that RSA depends on the trapdoor one-way function assumption (that functions exist which are easy to calculate but hard to invert, unless a piece of information called a trapdoor is known). Russel Impagliazzo breaks out the possibilities nicely in his "Five Worlds" paper.
Again, from a practical point of view - whether dealing with asymmetric ciphers like RSA or symmetric ciphers like AES - I would not advise encrypting something with the expectation that it stay unbreakable forever. This is precisely because these ciphers are not provably secure and we have no idea what new mathematical techniques could be invented (or already exist without our knowledge) to break them. | |
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4 edits | Re: Wasting more $$$ said by vpoko: In math, provable has a very precise meaning.
The N=NP problem might not even be provable one way or the other.
Read Godel's work on incompleteness if your curious. ( If remember correctly, Godel himself doubted that an equivalent problem had a solution as early the 1950's)
Which brings up the reason for my last reply. knowing this, at what point would you feel comfortable saying the N=NP is false?
Should we refrain from saying Mathematically secure forever?
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1 edit | Re: Wasting more $$$ said by DataRiker:said by vpoko: In math, provable has a very precise meaning.
The N=NP problem might not even be provable one way or the other. Read Godel's work on incompleteness if your curious. ( If remember correctly, Godel himself doubted that an equivalent problem had a solution as early the 1950's) Which brings up the reason for my last reply. knowing this, at what point would you feel comfortable saying the N=NP is false? Should we refrain from saying Mathematically secure forever? It's possible that P vs. NP is independent of a particular set of axioms (like ZF set theory), though I don't know of any convincing arguments for that being true. Interestingly enough, if it's independent, there may actually be a proof of its independence (such as the proofs of independence that exist for the axiom of choice and continuum hypothesis), or the proof may itself be independent (ad infinitum). It's also possible that only a non-constructive proof exists, for example showing that P=NP but without giving us an algorithm for solving an NP-complete problem like 3SAT. Both of those options would be incredibly unsatisfying. Scott Aaronson, currently a computer science professor at MIT specializing in computational complexity theory, wrote a great survey article on the possibility of formal independence for the P vs. NP problem. It that can be found here: »www.scottaaronson.com/papers/pnp.pdf.
As far as verbiage, yes, in the absence of a formal proof I would refrain from calling something mathematically proven. That's not to say that I wouldn't use the ciphers in practice, and even assume that they're probably secure, but math isn't like physics - in math, a formal proof is the only kind of proof. Incidentally, it's said that the legendary Richard Feynman refused to even accept P vs. NP as an open problem because it was so obvious that they were not equal. But after all, Richard Feynman was a physicist. | |
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It needs that capacity because, according to a recent report by Cisco, global Internet traffic will quadruple from 2010 to 2015, reaching 966 exabytes per year. (A million exabytes equal a yottabyte.) In terms of scale, Eric Schmidt, Google’s former CEO, once estimated that the total of all human knowledge created from the dawn of man to 2003 totaled 5 exabytes. And the data flow shows no sign of slowing. In 2011 more than 2 billion of the world’s 6.9 billion people were connected to the Internet. By 2015, market research firm IDC estimates, there will be 2.7 billion users. Thus, the NSA’s need for a 1-million-square-foot data storehouse. Should the agency ever fill the Utah center with a yottabyte of information, it would be equal to about 500 quintillion (500,000,000,000,000,000,000) pages of text.
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Billings, MT | Re: Data farm will be HUGE No.. It's the amount of data going through their network.
Basically, Internet Backbones -> NSA -> Actual Destinations. All the connections go through the NSA passively, so it's hard to detect.
That means they can store all communications for a specific period of time. I wonder if the DC actually acts as a buffer to their supercomputers. | |
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I don't mind sharing the pr0ns movies I'm watching either.
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Springfield, MO | Re: If someone wants to test an EMP weapon you can bet your ass its EMP hardened too
had family that worked/work for NSA that did nothing but test for EMP hardening for the MILSTAR sat.
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Which means that we should be able to do illegal and criminal things to said facility to decommission it.
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Dallas, TX | Re: It's a violation of the Constitution at every level said by KrK:... therefore, an illegal, criminal facility.
Which means that we should be able to do illegal and criminal things to said facility to decommission it.
Uh oh. Now they're watching me.
party A is doing something illegal.
that means party B can do illegal acts to stop party A?
Where'd you get your law degree?
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1 edit | not only south... (edit) that would be our consumer friendly federal government up in Canada announcing the snooping bill C-30 "protecting children from internet predators act"
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kudos:1 | They will get sued for sure! Wonder if RIAA/MPAA will sue them. The NSA will obviously be storing copies of all torrents, will they will pay for all the stuff that turns out to be commercial products or are they exempt from copyright infringement? | |
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RCPilot
join:2012-03-25
Williamsburg, VA | The Old Days with NSA It used to be the standing joke a couple decades back that if you said "President", "Whitehouse", and "Bomb" in a sentence on the telephone, you could expect the black SUV's to show up across the street shortly! Now we don't even have to pick up a phone! Now that's progress! | |
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