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The Press Realizes The FiOS Party Is Over
But doesn't quite see the bigger picture yet...
by Karl Bode 12:01PM Tuesday Mar 30 2010
We've been covering Verizon's decision to suspend FiOS deployment in many neighborhoods for much of the last month, discussing how cities like Alexandria, Virginia and Baltimore, Maryland are more than a little annoyed that they won't be getting upgraded from last-generation DSL. The company is continuing builds in cities that have signed franchise agreements, but for all intent and purposes -- the great FiOS experiment has ended -- prematurely. This week we finally saw the press wake up to the news of FiOS's grinding halt after the Associated Press noticed what was going on. Most of the coverage repeats some variation of Verizon's position that they never promised you, the users, full coverage:
quote:

Verizon never committed to bringing FiOS to its entire local-phone service area. It has introduced FiOS in 16 states, but the deployment is concentrated on the East Coast, and Verizon is selling off most of its service areas in the Midwest and on the West Coast. Its stated goal was to make FiOS available to 18 million households by the end of 2010, and it's on track to reach or exceed that.
While it's true that Verizon never promised to deploy FiOS to their entire footprint, the AP doesn't tell you the telco was previously planning to deploy FiOS to cities like Baltimore and Alexandria, and this freeze is a change of plans. Verizon originally hoped to pass about 85% of their available customers through several deployment waves. Right now, Verizon's own data suggests that 48% of all Verizon-served homes are passed (this doesn't always mean service is available) by FiOS.

That number will grow as Verizon works on building out service in cities like DC, NYC, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. But while Verizon has promised to deploy service to everyone in these cities, the fine print in those contracts (usually hashed out in private between cities and Verizon) usually allows Verizon to stop deployment after hitting the most profitable neighborhoods -- should they not see satisfactory TV uptake. Once Verizon picks the best parts of these cities, total FiOS penetration might be as high as 65%.

That still leaves a huge chunk of Verizon customers on last-generation infrastructure, many of them in rural markets or in second or third-tier cities. Meanwhile, there's no indication that there's going to be a "second wave" of FiOS deployment.

What changed? For one, Verizon wants to stop and market the service in already deployed markets to boost penetration. They also want to pause and contemplate whether they can grab some taxpayer money. Early Verizon lobbyist attempts to grab funds for doing nothing didn't work out, and Verizon avoided the first round of funding because they didn't like conditions tied to the money. Obviously network builds aren't cheap, and Verizon's move to spend $23 billion on FiOS was a gutsy choice. Unfortunately for more than 40% of Verizon customers, it was a gutsy choice championed largely by one man.

The primary reason for the Verizon FiOS halt is that FiOS's biggest fan, Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg, is on his way out at the company. Seidenberg was big on solidifying Verizon's future with FiOS, and was more than willing to pour money back into the network. Investors of course eager for immediate returns complained, going so far as to claim Verizon was "doomed." But Seidenberg's bet paid off, and Verizon created the largest fiber to the home network in the western world.

But Seidenberg's replacements are more interested in satisfying short-term, often myopic investors, and are busily pushing their vision of the new, more investor-friendly Verizon. This includes slowing FiOS deployment, and using sophisticated financial tricks to offload unwanted networks (and debt) onto smaller companies (tax free). Verizon then hopes to fill in any FiOS gaps with LTE wireless broadband. Knowing these companies can't really afford to upgrade, Verizon can win back many of these sold-off DSL customers with faster LTE service in a few years.

The plan isn't particularly good news for the millions of Verizon DSL customers who were waiting for FiOS. It's not good news for the tens of thousands of employees Verizon's laying off. It's not good news for Verizon's hardware vendor partners like BigBand Networks. It's not good news for the smaller telcos that are gobbling up Verizon copper-based networks (and going bankrupt under Verizon debt) without realizing the LTE counter punch Verizon has planned down the road.

But it is good news for investors who think real network upgrades aren't necessary for the health of a company. It's also good news for cable operators who do business in these unwanted markets and won't have to worry about an expedited timeline to upgrade to next-generation infrastructure. Verizon was the only major U.S. carrier with the insight and courage to embrace fiber to the home, and it appears, with a few urban exceptions, that the party is over.

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FFH
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Why not wait for gov't to pay them or use gov't fiber?

The mgt at Verizon would be financially negligent to their stockholders if they continued to pour billions in to expanding fiber infrastructure if it looks like the gov't is going to do 1 of 2 things anyway.

One is GIVE the company billions to finish the buildout and all funded by an increase in the USF and a redirection of USF funds to broadband, which is already in the FCC Broadband Plan.

Two is the gov't(federal & state/local) may initiate fiber buildout on its own hook and expense and then lease access to the fiber to any and all ISPs.

In either of those possible/probable scenarios, Verizon can gain high speed access to customers without borrowing money or getting it from shareholders. The Board of Directors and the shareholders should promptly fire any CEO not taking advantage of these probable gov't handouts.

So, in the meantime, Verizon pauses to see what the feds are going to do with the Broadband Plan. What it will implement and what it won't. If the feds want private companies to invest in fiber, then they need to make it clear very soon that they will not be doing either of the 2 scenarios I listed above and that the cable & telcos are on their own.
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en102
Canadian, eh?

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Valencia, CA

Re: Why not wait for gov't to pay them or use gov't fiber?

I suspect that they're calling corporate poverty, and wanting some of that federal stimulus money... but without strings.

I kind of suspected that something like this might happen on FiOS if the funding dried up. Uverse is a cheaper to deploy (quickly) technology (faster returns for Wall Street), but will need continuous upgrades, while FiOS wouldn't. Too bad for FiOS.
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Skippy25

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Why should any company attempt to reinvest in their future when they can just wait for some kind of "bailout".

The government should not be giving any of these duopoly or monopoly companies a dime. What they should be doing is giving them a drop dead date until they forfeit the networks to someone that can and will invest in the infrastructure.

FFH
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Re: Why not wait for gov't to pay them or use gov't fiber?

Like I already said above:
If the feds want private companies to invest in fiber, then they need to make it clear very soon that they will not be doing either of the 2 scenarios I listed above and that the cable & telcos are on their own.
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EGeezer
Go Cats
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Midwest
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said by FFH:

The mgt at Verizon would be financially negligent to their stockholders if they continued to pour billions in to expanding fiber infrastructure if it looks like the gov't is going to do 1 of 2 things ...

One is GIVE the company billions to finish the buildout and all funded by an increase in the USF and a redirection of USF funds to broadband ...

Two is the gov't(federal & state/local) may initiate fiber buildout on its own hook and expense and then lease access to the fiber to any and all ISPs.

I like #2. We've already given "Universal Service" Funds to these dolts and they are clearly failing to implement Universal Service.

However Verizon and others will fight tooth an nail to prevent local governments from building out their own infrastructure with their own private and public money. They want the government handouts and monopoly power in small markets, even if they don't intend to service them.
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baineschile
2600 ways to live
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Better yet...

Fios was brave, and in the interest to the customer, but we wont know if it will truly be a cost effective move for a few years. The true test will be the future, in 4-7 years. "5G" speeds should be close to the top internet speeds we are seeing now, and itll be a wonder if fiber can/will offer 1gig connections by then, and what the demands will be.

If more and more goverment progams do city fiber, it will REALLY hurt the private sector, VZ included. City agenicies can essentially sell the service at cost, and "profit" from it by raising property taxes, or bury the cost in the price increase of another city service.
patcat88

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Jamaica, NY
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learn your vocabulary

said by Karl Bode:

Verizon originally hoped to pass about 85% of their available customers with FiOS in waves. Right now, Verizon's own data suggests that 48% of all Verizon-served homes are passed (not always even served) by FiOS.
Your not served until you subscribe. Passed means you can order it now, or its available to you once you pay for it. It would be VERY VERY VERY bad if Verizon served %100 of homes, thats Ma Bell monopoly. "Passed" is not used in the colloquial sense, but it has an industry definition. If you used "passed" in the colloquial sense, 50% of homes in the USA are already passed by fiber, fiber going to a cable fiber node or RT, or cell tower or SLA corporate fiber or interstate long haul fiber by Level 3, VZB, or Sprint or going to a traffic light (allows the municipality to add CCTVs to all intersections for Big Brother and red light cameras traffic management).

An example of the terms "served" and "passed" used in context.
»www.slideshare.net/atreacy/ameri···-russell

Karl Bode
News Guy
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Re: learn your vocabulary

Yes, thanks. Well aware that served means actually subscribed and passed means service is available but the home has not subscribed. In fact the bit you quote tries to clarify this (apparently poorly).

However, I've seen carriers frequently take liberty with the "passed" term to include homes near cabinets or in the general area of fiber -- but which still require additional local work in addition to the drop.

Bill Dollar

join:2009-02-20
New York, NY

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Re: learn your vocabulary

Karl is exactly right. In the FiOS case, VZ can do the neighborhood fiber drop, and will count that as "passing" your house. This accounts for about $700 per home passed. The next phase is the "drop," where you call for service, and they first send a crew to bury the line from the nearest box to your house (or string it from the nearest pole), then install the ONT. This accounts for another $600 or so in costs.

But in the past, there have been locations where the service "passed" the home, but VZ did not yet make it available. I suspect there are such locations now, that may or may not see the final drops become available, because of cost-benefit analysis about maintaining nodes with a less than 10 percent take-rate.

Karl Bode
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Re: learn your vocabulary

That said, my wording was crap and I've tried to rephrase it to get my intent across: that "passed" historically has not always meant it's available to the home owner or apartment resident...
davidhoffman
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Verizon Fiber Investment Timeline

The majority of investors and CEOs in the USA think longterm investment is 50 weeks. In Japan it is 50 years. You build a symmetrical fiber optic force everywhere you have a presence. You use that force town by town, block by block, and house by house to slowly, patiently undo the tangled knot of traditional cable company power. 20-30 years later you have become the dominate profit maker in the ISP area. The cable companies are stuck protecting the traditional cable video model of delivery. You, Verizon, don't care about that model, because your model is to move the bytes as fast as possible, no matter what kind of bytes they are. I think that would have been a truly winning long term investment strategy.

FFH
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Re: Verizon Fiber Investment Timeline

said by davidhoffman:

The majority of investors and CEOs in the USA think longterm investment is 50 weeks. In Japan it is 50 years. You build a symmetrical fiber optic force everywhere you have a presence. You use that force town by town, block by block, and house by house to slowly, patiently undo the tangled knot of traditional cable company power. 20-30 years later you have become the dominate profit maker in the ISP area. The cable companies are stuck protecting the traditional cable video model of delivery. You, Verizon, don't care about that model, because your model is to move the bytes as fast as possible, no matter what kind of bytes they are. I think that would have been a truly winning long term investment strategy.
And the 50 yr outlook attitude, which is changing in Japan BTW, is what has had Japan in a recession for the last 30 years.

There has to be a happy medium somewhere between 50 weeks and 50 years. The US is too short term and Japan too long term.
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openbox9
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I'll give you my money for 50 years if you promise to give it back to me a thousand-fold in 50 years. I don't think a guaranteed 14% annualized return is too much to ask for tying up my capital for 50 years. I'll give you an opportunity to return capital to me on an annual basis in the form of a dividend if you prefer that as well, just make sure it's worth my time/money.

fifty nine

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Sussex, NJ
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No Govt money for them

Let them build the network with their own money! Their pockets are certainly deep enough.
openbox9
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Re: No Govt money for them

No service for those who aren't willing to pony up a couple of thousand dollars in connection fees. Their desire for a connections are certainly enough to overcome the limitations of the money in their pockets.

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Re: No Govt money for them

said by openbox9:

No service for those who aren't willing to pony up a couple of thousand dollars in connection fees. Their desire for a connections are certainly enough to overcome the limitations of the money in their pockets.
I have no problem with that. Cable companies do exactly that for areas not wired up and that fall below a certain population density threshold.

OldschoolDSL
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Passed....

Passed... ie... The fiber passes my house, but only so they can "connect" the wealthier neighborhood up the street. So by that standard, Verizon can say they have passed fiber by my house and I am in a fiber area, just not a serviceable one.

cypherstream
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So glad Comcast is stepping up

I guess Fios will never be deployed in my area. So glad Comcast is stepping up.

We have DOCSIS 3 and I get 50mbps downloads on the new Arris tm702g eMTA.

They are eliminating most of the analog, and finally we will have an HD channel lineup that comes close to Fios.

The only thing they (Comcast) needs to do to play catch up, is the on screen guide. There's still a lack of widgets, mr-dvr, and internet connectivity with web video's, etc...

Time will tell, but at least my only choice is starting to improve. Heck, I can program my DVR from my iPhone now.

jmn1207
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Re: So glad Comcast is stepping up

said by cypherstream:

The only thing they (Comcast) needs to do to play catch up, is the on screen guide. There's still a lack of widgets, mr-dvr, and internet connectivity with web video's, etc...
I think that upload speeds are where the widest gaps are found between FiOS and Comcast, at least that is the situation in my region. I think up to 10 Mbps is the most I can hope to get with any package offered by Comcast, and I just can't part with rock solid stable 35 Mbps all day long. Most people don't consider the benefit of having a fast, symmetrical connection, mainly because they can't get it anywhere. Once you've experienced it, it's difficult to let it go for something inferior.

45612019

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New York, NY
Comcast is not "stepping up." They still have an insanely low 250 GB a month bandwidth cap.

cypherstream
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Re: So glad Comcast is stepping up

I tried really hard and I used 226 GB this month. Today is the last day of March, so 226 GB for heavy downloading in a 31 day period is still several under 250 GB. Also I lowered my uTorrent upload speed from 10mbps to 1mbps. That will severely help for April.

Intheknow

@stsn.net

FIOS quick check

If the Executive Board gave up it's Stock Options and Bonuses for one year they could run FIOS to 80% of there Current footprint in the US
kd6cae
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Disappointed that I'll never see FIOS

Where I live in Lancaster, CA, very few people have FIOS. It is available, but only to those lucky enough to live in a new development. When I found out on christmas of 2008 that 2 good friends of mine had FIOS that live in the same neighborhood, I was amazed because I didn't think it was available anywhere in Lancaster, since I hadn't known anyone that had it until then. I live 8 miles across town from my friends that have FIOS, and I was hoping it would eventually get to my neighborhood, because I really want faster upload, and from my location the best DSL I can get is 3mbps/768kbps, thanks to distance limitations. However because my neighborhood is older, I guess I'll always be stuck on 1990's ADSL, or Time Warner's network which TWC can't even provide the upload speed they claim we should get.
I would even be happy if Verizon would do like what Bell in Canada is doing and offer some sort of VDSL service that would give like 20-30mbps down and 7 or 8mbps upstream. I don't care how the faster speed is delivered, just so long as I can have the chance to get it! I suppose my only hope now is that sometime TWC deploys Docsis 3.0 to my market.
I would've thought Verizon would realize that there are users that are eager to pay them to get FIOS, which means more money for them, if they'd just offer the service to those that want it! Those of you that have FIOS already, enjoy to it's fullest, because I and many others who want to get it will never be able to now it would seem. How disappointing!

alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA

Don't blame Verizon, blame yourselves, no Free Lunch!

Everyone knew that Verizon was the only Telco that had FTTH, and everyone served by Verizon had a shot. If you truly wanted FiOS, your City or Community just had to put together a good package and talk to Verizon. The ones that did have FiOS, but everyone wants a Free Lunch, and not enough customers bought the upper level products. It's not cheap to deploy Fiber, so that money is running low, so of course Verizon has to stop and start selling FiOS Products in the areas it has deployed FiOS.

Well get over it and stop crying, now what you have to do as a City or Community is put together a plan for FTTH for yourselves. It will cost you, but it can be done!

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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Re: Don't blame Verizon, blame yourselves, no Free Lunch!

said by alchav:

Everyone knew that Verizon was the only Telco that had FTTH, and everyone served by Verizon had a shot. If you truly wanted FiOS, your City or Community just had to put together a good package and talk to Verizon. The ones that did have FiOS, but everyone wants a Free Lunch, and not enough customers bought the upper level products. It's not cheap to deploy Fiber, so that money is running low, so of course Verizon has to stop and start selling FiOS Products in the areas it has deployed FiOS.

Well get over it and stop crying, now what you have to do as a City or Community is put together a plan for FTTH for yourselves. It will cost you, but it can be done!
Free lunch? States changed laws and made special deals with Verizon, yet they're halting buildouts in those places too.

And when cities and town try to run their own fiber they are met with opposition.

Verizon wants to have its cake and eat it too.

alchav

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Palm Desert, CA

Re: Don't blame Verizon, blame yourselves, no Free Lunch!

I don't know where you get your information, if something was Inked, it was completed. If something was said, I'll give you this if you give me that, with no Contract or Paper then you are correct it's over! Our Community here in Palm Desert, CA got FiOS, but everyone went for the Low Tear, and I doubt that we have barely 25% Penetration. Yes everyone wants Fiber, but they only want to pay a couple of Bucks. Nobody is going to stop you if you want to run your own Fiber, you just have to get the right people that know what they are doing. If you run your own Fiber, you are just connecting your City or Community, you still have to buy the Main Feed from a Provider. So no one is going to stop you, they are going to help you!

fifty nine

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Sussex, NJ
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Re: Don't blame Verizon, blame yourselves, no Free Lunch!

said by alchav:

I don't know where you get your information, if something was Inked, it was completed.
Not even close. Speaking for my own state, not all of NJ that Verizon agreed to is completed.

And for Verizon, the state of NJ enacted the new statewide franchise law.

So don't tell me that cities, towns and states are not welcoming Verizon with open arms because they damn well are!

alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA

Re: Don't blame Verizon, blame yourselves, no Free Lunch!

Okay Fifty Nine, tell me this. In those areas in New Jersey that have FiOS do they have over 50% Penetration, and have they ordered all Verizon Products above the Lower Tear? If New Jersey is like our area, the answer in No. This is why Verizon has to scale back and start selling.
guppy_fish
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Far from over

Verizon is beating the PR drum, they were pulling back due to the depression we are in before all of this, but now it cost them nothing to paint this bleak picture and setup a multi-billion dollar "stimulus" handout.

As soon as they get there 5-10 billion, it will be full speed ahead and they make out like the bandits they are. Karl, you may hate the way they work, but they are probably the smartest company around and know how to run a business in a capitalist market.

Every single thing they have done is legal ..

Karl Bode
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Re: Far from over

Every single thing they have done is legal ..
Yeah, great, like that actually means anything on Wall Street when lobbyists get done writing laws.
Verizon is beating the PR drum, they were pulling back due to the depression we are in before all of this, but now it cost them nothing to paint this bleak picture and setup a multi-billion dollar "stimulus" handout.
Actually, they're using the recession to justify layoffs they already planned to do. Ironically, they're using the broadband stimulus to justify not to deploy previously-planned network expansion. It's absurd. Well, unless you're a Verizon investor.
majortom1029

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Lindenhurst, NY
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ugh

Why does everybody and the news state verizon is cstill continuing to build out where they have franchise agreements? They even stopped where I live and they have a franchise agreement for the whole town.

They are basically handing business over to cablevision.
FIOSHD

join:2007-10-22
united state

Why all the VZ hate Karl?

It's so tiring reading these releases on this site. Every single thing Verizon does is met with cynicism by Karl. in 2004 VZ made a statement on how many homes they were going to pass. Now that they have agreements in place with local franchises that would bring them above the number of homes originally approved by the board of directors they are simply stating that they will not seek new obligations until they have recouped some of their investments and can evaluate whether or not there will be a new business plan to further the expansion.

Since when is it negative news when a company does EXACTLY what they stated they were going to do when they started this deployment in 2004?

If it was my company I would meet my original commitment. Evaluate the profitability of the venture and then make a business decision on whether to continue the investment beyond my original commitment. Seems like good common sense to me. It makes even more sense when you consider that the revenues they are realizing from phase I of this project (should there be a phase II) would fund the further expansion instead of being a drain on the diminishing revenue streams from their core business which necessitated this overhaul in the first place.

IMHO VZ is well on their way to being the most successfull telecom company of the 21st century.

fifty nine

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Sussex, NJ
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Re: Why all the VZ hate Karl?

said by FIOSHD:

IMHO VZ is well on their way to being the most successfull telecom company of the 21st century.
How are they doing that? By offering their outdated technology to a few select areas?

Other countries that have fiber to the home have speeds well in excess of what Verizon offers. So far Verizon only wants to offer speeds slightly faster than cable, because that's all they have to do.
MyDogHsFleas
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Dumb question here, be kind

"Right now, Verizon's own data suggests that 48% of all Verizon-served homes are passed (this doesn't always mean service is available) by FiOS."

What does it actually mean for a home to be "passed" but not have service available?

What fraction of homes are in this category as opposed to those that do have service available?
FIOSHD

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united state

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Re: Dumb question here, be kind

said by MyDogHsFleas:

"Right now, Verizon's own data suggests that 48% of all Verizon-served homes are passed (this doesn't always mean service is available) by FiOS."

What does it actually mean for a home to be "passed" but not have service available?

What fraction of homes are in this category as opposed to those that do have service available?
For a single family home there is no difference between passed and "service available". Passed becomes relevant with the MDU marketplace where they have the fiber in the street but cannot enter the building without receiving the permission of the landlord.

So for an mdu to be considered passed they have to have the network available in the street and waiting to enter the building once permission is obtained from the owner.
MyDogHsFleas
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never mind, there's already a thread on this

»learn your vocabulary

NtDay

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Guess AT&T Has it right!

All I have to say is I guess At&t has it right with their network. Not to go all out with big spending. Rather upgrade the network and keep costs lower.

heat84
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Re: Guess AT&T Has it right!

So maybe AT&T isn't as dumb as we all think they are?
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gia

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Mcallen, TX
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No, actually AT&T is pretty dumb.

You failed to consider that AT&T doesn't compete with FIOS, it competes with the cable companies and the cable companies have DOCSIS3.0.

If you compare FTTN 18 or 24 Mbps to DOCSIS3.0 50 and 100 Mbps it is a no contest.

The only winners here are the cable companies. FIOS failed because their technology is expensive, uverse FTTN failed because their technology is cheap and an under performer.
WhatNow
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Charlotte, NC

35% take rate

With all the kudos VZ got for Fios I was surprised that the take rate where customers can get it was around 30 to 35%. Maybe in the future that will go up. You can not go by the wants on this forum they tend to lean to early adopters while the general public has other interests.

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PDXPLT

join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR

Many don't even have 'last-generation'

quote:
That still leaves a huge chunk of Verizon customers on last-generation infrastructure, many of them in rural markets or in second or third-tier cities.
Actually, it's worse than that. There's a huge chunk of Verizon customers that have no broadband at all. They'd be thrilled with "last generation infrastructure".

fiber_man
Things Happen For A Reason
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Port Saint Lucie, FL

General Public only needs about 6mbps to be happy.

Most servers on the net are running at 6-12 mbps so any faster connection would slow down to the server speed anyway. If you do several speed tests to different servers you would see the difference in speeds from those servers.
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OwlSaver
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Berwyn, PA

Did Verizon Spend the $23 Billion Investment

Does anyone know if based on their current commitments, they will have invested the full $23 Billion? That is all that Verizon promised. Spending any more than that would only happen if the ROI on the first $23 Billion was better than the expected rate of return. If not, there is no business reason to continue FiOS rollout.

As a FiOS customer, I want them to continue rolling it out to all customers. This will guarantee that they continue to update and support the service. I would hate for FiOS to become an orphaned technology.

It seems to me that the right thing to do is have the government fund a rollout of Fibre to the Home. They then turn the infrastructure over to a private monopoly to run. Then service providers can over Internet, TV, and Phone over the infrastructure. Just my two cents.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

Re: Did Verizon Spend the $23 Billion Investment

They haven't spent that much yet but by the time they finish the current FiOS markets it's likely they will have. No fear that it will become an orphaned technology because FTTH is the preferred technology for "greenfield" developments. Even little Cincinnati Bell intends to pass 100,000 homes with FTTH service although that is probably a small minority of the homes Cincinnati Bell passes.

Scatcatpdx
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Portland, OR
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The Verdict TTH not Economically Feasible.

Lets see Government tried it and fail.
Fios tried it and failed.
Perhaps technological innovation like fiber to the modem and tv device plus cheap and durable materials is need.
Finally there need to be a broader market for Fiber, right now may of us do not see the need not like the idea of forcing it down our throats via Obama/FCC fiber (Broadband) policy.