The World's Eyes are on Korean Broadband Young and old alike are affected by technology The world’s attention seems to be turned to the state of broadband in Korea, a region which is a global leader in broadband penetration. An article today over at CNN Asia gives a glimpse into what one day is like in the digital life of a Korean student. And a newly released book takes a look at the state of e-government over in Korea. The youth article highlights the importance of user-created content in Korea’s broadband world. The book focuses on the development of technology and infrastructure leading to enhanced e-government in Korea. Combined, these two articles give us a concise look at how a country moves forward with technology to change life for all its citizens.
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 robertflPremium
join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | Market Tolorance The reason why we are so far behind is because people are buying it.
It's time the USA caught up in the broadband wars
Not just in selected rich neighbourhoods where FIOS rules but EVERYWHERE.
-Rob | |
|  | | | Re: Market Tolorance said by robertfl:The reason why we are so far behind is because people are buying it. It's time the USA caught up in the broadband wars Not just in selected rich neighbourhoods where FIOS rules but EVERYWHERE. -Rob That's the problem with a lot of BBR members, talking nonsense out of their behind. Rich neighborhoods? Yea, it would seem that way if you have bad credit and/or live in your parent's basement. Owning a $200,000 - $400,000 doesn't mean rich. It means you make enough money and have decent enough credit to own a house in a nice neighborhood. BBR is good at getting sheep to believe that only people that live in mansions can get FIOS. Don't throw a fit because your trailer park or run-down apartment complex is passed over for FIOS.
Another thing people like to spew is, "It's only $35 in South Korea." The average income in South Korea is $23,000 a year, it's $43,000 in here in the US. $35 a month is a lot more expensive if your salary is $23k than if it's $43k. But people here hate to think about facts, it interferes with their simple-minded fantasy of how the world works. Gas is $0.65 sents a gallon is Egypt, but in averge income is $4,000 a year. I guess to BBR South Korea sheep, that's a good trade off. | |
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I officially don't like you.
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| said by soothsayer15:said by robertfl:The reason why we are so far behind is because people are buying it. It's time the USA caught up in the broadband wars Not just in selected rich neighbourhoods where FIOS rules but EVERYWHERE. -Rob That's the problem with a lot of BBR members, talking nonsense out of their behind. Rich neighborhoods? Yea, it would seem that way if you have bad credit and/or live in your parent's basement. Owning a $200,000 - $400,000 doesn't mean rich. It means you make enough money and have decent enough credit to own a house in a nice neighborhood. BBR is good at getting sheep to believe that only people that live in mansions can get FIOS. Don't throw a fit because your trailer park or run-down apartment complex is passed over for FIOS. Another thing people like to spew is, "It's only $35 in South Korea." The average income in South Korea is $23,000 a year, it's $43,000 in here in the US. $35 a month is a lot more expensive if your salary is $23k than if it's $43k. But people here hate to think about facts, it interferes with their simple-minded fantasy of how the world works. Gas is $0.65 sents a gallon is Egypt, but in averge income is $4,000 a year. I guess to BBR South Korea sheep, that's a good trade off. You may have something to the argument of cost comparisons around the world, however you totally miss the boat on one key issue.
DEPLOYMENT! There are different reasons why South Korea has virtually universal deployment and the USA does not! You can say the same as to the speed ratios as well. There are both rural and non-rural black holes where you can only get dialup connections and have limited access to satellite broadband. The other problem is your asking industries which have done business a certain way for so long that change (investment) has been until recently very conservative. Verizon has only become serious about footprint overlay in the past 3-4 years. Therefore, unless your prepared to MOVE, universal access will be a benefit of the NEXT generation of children.. not today's (2015+) | |
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| said by soothsayer15:... But people here hate to think about facts, ... yeah, I hate to think about the facts:
* monopoly/duopoly industry and lack of competition
* an FCC that cares more about what the telcos want than what consumers or the nations needs
* legislators that are bought and paid for to do the bidding of the telcos
and finally, the fact the U.S. is years behind the most advanced nations in broadband, with no hope for catching up anytime soon.
So yeah, I hate to think about the facts. | |
| | | | | | Re: Market Tolorance said by nasadude:said by soothsayer15:... But people here hate to think about facts, ... yeah, I hate to think about the facts: * monopoly/duopoly industry and lack of competition * an FCC that cares more about what the telcos want than what consumers or the nations needs * legislators that are bought and paid for to do the bidding of the telcos and finally, the fact the U.S. is years behind the most advanced nations in broadband, with no hope for catching up anytime soon. So yeah, I hate to think about the facts. You just spewed more of the same. All you did was just bring up a bunch of points which does nothing to highlight the differences between South Korea's economy and ours. Perhaps you prefer to live in a socialist economy and pay for the porn, movies, and mp3's of those who are too lazy to work. I don't. It's also nice how you chose to ignore the fact salaries differences actually makes their price $65- 72$ a month on average. How many Americans would pay that much for service? Not many, the majority of Americans care about price.
I'll pick apart your flimsy arguments with real facts, not some BBR fed to me, because I know how to research and think for myself.
Bad point #1: Monopoly/duopoly industry and lack of competition
- South Korea really only has one ISP, Korea Telecom. Oh wait! That sounds like a monopolistic telco to me. I wonder why BBR leaves that out whenever they have a story about South Korea's Broadband. It's called card stacking. It's a form of propaganda.
Bad point #2: an FCC that cares more about what the telcos want than what consumers or the nations needs
- Please. You can say the same thing about Congress, the US Food & Drug Administration, or the EPA. Nice how you do back it up without any facts. That form of propaganda is called simplification. They really don't care about anyone's needs? Or your needs which you assume is everyone's?
Bad point #3: legislators that are bought and paid for to do the bidding of the telcos
- South Korea until very recently, had HUGE problem with corruption that make ours congressmen look like clergy members who took a vow of poverty. Oh yea, that's more simplification. A simple answer for a complex issues.
If this is representative of NASA, no wonder no major breakthroughs have come out of there in a while. | |
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Portland, OR | Ditto  | |
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wvcaverPremium
join:2005-04-17
Millersburg, OH | this is where the broadband will stop ! what a shame | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | Re: this is where the broadband will stop ! it's worse than a shame... the dprk is pure evil... i know, i've been there... i've never seen a more repressed people in my life and i've visited iraq during saddams time in the early 90's which pales in comparison to the dprk... yeah, my minder wouldn't let me go to certain areas, but with enough bribing i was allowed to go to certain areas and what i saw was nothing short of a living concentration camp... it's the only way i can put it... small, diminutive people, who were basically on the verge of starvation who would run away from me at the mere sight of me... and my minder telling me that they've never seen anyone so tall, so big, or from a different race in their life and that i was basically scaring them... i'm basically 6 foot, 200 lbs... i work out, but nothing special, i just keep in shape...
i asked if i could talk to any of them that were willing to talk to me and he said no... not no because they were scared of me, which they were just from the looks and peeps, but because he wouldn't allow it... this little scrawny, low level bureaucrat had that kind of power... it was amazing... everything is regulated there... the one thing i didn't see in any of the outlying areas was power or power generation... no forms of communication... in pyongyang however, it was different and there isn't enough time for me to explain it right now...
damn... i'm not sure why i went on about this... i just saw this picture and i got pissed off all over again... i was enraged by the time i left there and seeing this picture has brought back some of those feelings... sorry for prattling on... | |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | I Just Returned From South Korea I was just in South Korea last month for about three weeks. I'm not doubting that there are places where broadband access beats some locations in the U.S., but where I was staying, I was lucky to achieve 1 Mbps of throughput. Granted I'm a limited sampling, but big throughput broadband access didn't appear to be as ubiquitous as the press makes it out to be. | |
| | | | Re: I Just Returned From South Korea If you're an actual resident where you pay bills and get your own DSL line from an actual service provider, you're going to get ridiculous speeds. If the only internet access you were able to get was at random, free public access areas, you're not going to be so lucky. | |
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Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: I Just Returned From South Korea Have you lived in SK? Businesses don't have the same or better services than the residences? | |
| | | | | | Re: I Just Returned From South Korea I go there just about every summer to visit my relatives. Just about all of them have the ability to download a couple of megabytes per second. I don't know about the internet access they have at work, but my aunt uploads stuff to me all the time from her clinic at around 500-600 KB/sec. | |
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Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: I Just Returned From South Korea A download of ~16 Mbps and an upload of ~5 Mbps is a far cry from the often heralded 50/50 or 100/100 Mbps service for $29/mth that tends to get plastered all over the front page here at DSLR. You also made the statement that "just about all of them" have this great service, once again showing that even SK has limitations deploying broadband to all consumers.
I'm not disputing that SK has good service, just that the service isn't the Holy Grail that it's often made out to be. | |
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|  hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | Fantastic "The first thing Insoo does after Hakwon is, of course, turn on the PC. Insoo has a difficult math problem as homework. He posts it up on Naver Knowledge iN, a popular online Q&A service with some 70 million entries."
Fantastic use of the internet!
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|  tobyTroy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13
Seattle, WA | I'd rather live here with dialup I'd rather live in the US/Canada/UK with dialup anyday than with fibre in SK. | |
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| |  JigsawStardust We ArePremium
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Cleveland, OH | said by toby:I'd rather live in the US/Canada/UK with dialup anyday than with fibre in SK. NO Starcraft For YOU!! 
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| | | | said by toby:I'd rather live in the US/Canada/UK with dialup anyday than with fibre in SK. Why? I spent about a month or two in Seoul back in '99 and it didn't seem that bad of a place to live. | |
| | | | And that's what the US/Canada/UK is hoping for. That goofs like you will settle for dialup. 
South Korea is quite a nice country. The only things I personally couldn't legally do there that I can here in the states were own a gun and vote. | |
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Dan15k
join:2004-02-03
Wyandotte, MI | Could be worse... I live in Michigan, they can't even handle their own statewide budgets, let alone work to deploy the next generation of broadband. | |
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| Re: Could be worse... Born and raised in ROK until age 17. But wouldn't live anywhere else but the USA - the greatest country in the world.
ROK may be more advanced in broadband deployment, but the scope of work involved compared to what it would take the US to do something comparable is miniscule. If the US was limited to, say, Pennsylvania, I would venture to say that we would have fiber broadband everywhere too.
Grass is always greener on the other side, but don't be fooled. ROK has its own share of economic and social problems. Most importantly, we are still, by and large, the leader in engineering and technology. I don't care how well the Japanese or Koreans seem to be doing, but we dominate in terms of cutting edge technology. No other country in the world even comes close. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Could be worse... rhdcheme,
Your are probably correct. But than why can't I have a fast internet service like in SK? | |
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