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 | | Anon | Re: So little green.. all red Well if ur smart enough to run a business, would`nt u hit the big areas first? Why waste tons of money for 2 kids in Ohio who wants dsl? lol. I would think that would not make sense to do. Dsl and cable are still new. I say keep that map and wait a few more years and make another. Compare it and it will be a big difference.
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| | | | Re: So little green.. all red You may be right, but there again.....
I'm not sure how many more green dots you can expect to see on this map in the future.
Unless that green dot is put there by an ILEC, who appears to be "public enemy number one" these days, then I wouldn't expect to see the numbers grow leaps and bounds.
The trend now days is to provide service only to the "MAJORITY" of customers in heavily populated areas. It's also ok if that service works right only a "MAJORITY" of the time.
I don't think you will see companies jumping head over heals to upgrade the Outside Plant Network in rural areas, in order to provide service to rural, sparsely populated areas.
The charge for the service is already too low. The cost of upgrading and maintaning the OSP network, to provide service in these rural areas will out weigh the profit, except maybe to the ILEC, who is already in these areas.
I couldn't understand why an ILEC would spend all the necessary money to upgrade his network, just so a CLEC could come in and use that network, to sell DSL to it's customer.
Since this service is de-regulated, companies will not be required to provide DSL in rural locations, as has been the opposite case with dial tone POTS service in the past.
So if the ILEC decides not to extend DSL into an area, I doubt very seriously anyone else will want to. | |
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|  da7id
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Marysville, OH | Re: So little green.. all red Pretty much shows where the money is. | |
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| | | | Re: So little green.. all red Not 100% true- I live in Oakland County Michigan (one of the five wealthiest counties in the US) and the only broadband solution available here is Satellite. I have to admit I do live in a sub-urban area about 45 minutes out of Detroit, but best estimates are still six months to a year before DSL or Cable modems are available.
Luckily however, ISDN is available in my area! Only $155 a month for unlimited access (you still need to get an ISP). Or I could opt for the metered plan of $55 per month +$.02.5 per minute per channel
Gotta love GTE (now verizon)
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| | |  ATTekGot Sand?Premium
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Marysville, OH | Re: So little green.. all red Nope, not here in Marysville,O no any kind of DSL,#1
i'm to far from the Co,#2 there is no ISP that provides it here,it;s just not avalable here,neither is Cable,
i pay my ISP $35.50 a month for 128k,and they are the only ISP here that has ISDN dialup,i pay Sprint $40.00 a month,
so $75.50 a month for ISDN Unlimited access, so i
guess it's not to bad,compared to what other's pay,i call
Sprint every 2 week's about DSL,and i call the local
Cable every 2 week's,their getting to know me by my first name 
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| | | | | | ISDN and DSL are as different as day and night. ISDN can work thru an exsisting DLC, where DSL cannot. | |
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| | |  Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
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Howell, MI | heheh there are tons of CO's in Oakland county.I install for Rhythms in metro Detroit.We install over 200 DSL lines a week in Oakland county.You must live near South lyon milford area.Thats not wealthy at all | |
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| | | The government ought to reregulate the telecommunications industry. Look at this map, and you can see what deregulation has caused. Free Market and competition is the best way to get broadband to the masses---my foot it is. With something as important to the economy of our nation and it's future as this is, it should not be left up to a few greedy execs to deploy it. Many government agencies, such as the Rural Electrification Agency and the Tennessee Valley Authority brought power to people who probably would never got it if left up to greedy power companies. We the People, remember that famous saying? How about promote the general welfare? We should all be in this together, Americans helping Americans. If Money and Greed are allowed to rule things such as this, we will fall behind other nations, and will suffer for it. Do we want to become like India where there are the haves and have nots, and no crossing between the two? I was shocked when the new FCC chairman said about it that is was like a Mercedes, I would like one, but I can't afford one. What else can you expect from an administration that was funded by Oil and Money. | |
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| | | | Re: So little green.. all red said by socalnative:
What else can you expect from an administration that was funded by Oil and Money.
I understand your position, and I can certainly sympathize, but just out of curiosity, how do you "fund" without "fund[ing] by ... Money"? | |
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| | | | You are exactly right. DSL is deregulated. This means that no one has to provide DSL at a certain price and no one has to provide service in rural areas.
Left up to the poor CLEC, DSL will never make it out of the metropolitan areas where the "GRAVY" is. That is, the highly and densely populated areas.
The only chance for rural customers is if the evil ILEC decides to upgrade the Outside Plant Network and the Central offices.
Once this is done, you may see a few CLEC's come in and offer DSL accross the upgraded ILEC facilities. While doing this, the CLEC is sure to complain about the ILEC trying to sabatoge him.
I am sure you will not see too many companies competing to build an Outside Plant Network in Bumfuzzal, CA to give DSL to all 12 of it's residents.
Imagine if telephone service had not been regulated. The green dots would not be DSL but rather dial tone. No one wanted to provide service in rural areas, they were forced to do so.
Thanks to the government, this is not the case with DSL. If you live in a rural area good luck. | |
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| | | | Anon |  Re: So little green.. all red
green here so give us a big dot. | |
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| Hi, thanks for your comments. (mark@dslreports.com here)
Yes there is more red than green on the map, but - as someone points out below - it's difficult to tell how many green CO's there are when they all merge.
And anyway, the % of people served by a DSL Co is a more interesting number than % of COs itself.
Here, belatedly are some productions notes:
How The Map Was Generated
The Facts
The ingredient data came from three sources:
1. Polygon data for all of the 50 states from the US Govt (Sorry AK and HI - we will work on fitting you into future maps).
2 A database of COs and their longitude and latitude (Well actually their 'v and h' from an telco grid system- we converted those to long, and lat.)
3. Our database of DSL availability at each CO. This is changing all the time, so watch out for revisions. This is obtained from the CLECs and (most) ILECs - not ISPs.
We used a simple 'sinusoidal' map projection to plot the statelines and then for every CO we know about we project it on to a red pixel for a non- DSL one and a green for a DSL enabled one.
Points to Note
Where real COs are tightly packed - in urban areas - you could have several CO's all being mapped to the same pixel on that map image.
This means that if you look at those big green blobs over the cities they are actually understating the number of COs in that locality: One green CO in Hicksville (Long Island, NY) looks the same on this map as the 20 COs fifty miles to the west on Manhattan.
Oh, and if a red and a green dot are going for the same position, we let the green dot win.
And, er, because DSLAMS do get decommissioned we might - as someone has rightly pointed out - need a third color for COs which were enabled but sadly are no longer so.
The COs are where the people are
We could point you to some cool maps on the US Census site showing all manner of population densities dynamically plotted for you on a map of the US but it would probably overload their web-server.
But take it from me, the pattern of COs (red and green combined) looks very like a population density map of the US.
And here's an interesting feature: Take a look at a Rand McNally map of Kansas and compare it with our CO map: All those (unfortunately red) dots lining up in a matrix is not an artifact of our mapping algorithms. No, the highway system in KS looks like a blow-up of midtown Manhattan but with 50 mile wide blocks and a town with its own CO at on every corner. (There's a night-time shot of the world from space somewhere on the web, and you can see the lights of those same interections).
Why are the green COs where they are?
Well, the areas where the dots are close together (in cities) will have a disproportionately larger number of people living close to a CO.
There are also other factors such as the skew of disposable income to the suburbs, businesses to the city centers, etc. etc.
Two good reasons to help you decide where to invest your money if you're installing DSLAMs.
We'd like to test these hypotheses with some quantitative studies. Watch this space.
There does seem to be a lot of densely packed red dots in the mid-west though .... Maybe we're missing something?
Which brings us on to ...
Future Data Acquisition
Anyway, we will be working on making it easier for us to process new information sent to us from those of you on the ground who can tell us what the local telco is up to better than the telcos do.
Thanks for all of your comments.
[text was edited by author 2001-02-26 22:03:06] | |
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| | | | grossly inaccurate map The map showing which CO's that are DSL ready is very very much inaccurate. Its time to get up to speed and update this map. I am mostly familiar with the state of Wisconsin and you should be showing at least 50 to 70 percent of the state DSL. | |
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Oklahoma PTCI
Cimmaron county- Boise City,Keyes (ADSL)
Texas County- Guymon,Goodwell,Hooker,Texhoma,Tyrone(ADSL)
Beaver County- Beaver,Forgan,Turpin(ADSL)
Harper County- Laverne(ADSL)
Texas PTSI
Ochiltree County- Perryton (VoDSL) | |
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| | That is Amazing! That's a shame that there are so few DSL enabled CO's available. Man, what is this... 1959.
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|  ARPremium,ExMod 2001-04
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| | | | Re: That is Amazing! said by araina:
Entire states without any green in them.
I beg your pardon, you need to look more closely. Now enumerate the states with no green in them. Look closely now. | |
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| | | ARPremium,ExMod 2001-04
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Toronto, ON |  Re: That is Amazing!
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| | by the time DSL is available everywhere it will be obsolete. | |
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Santee, CA | What about cable? I'd wish someone would do a "cable" map like this one. I'm curious-is there more or less cable availability? | |
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| Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
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Howell, MI | Re: What about cable? haha way less......... | |
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| | | | Re: What about cable? i doubt that | |
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| | Anon | One source for cable broadband coverage would be to assume that anywhere there is cable coverage there is a likelihood that they have or intend to lay broadband cable. A source for cable coverage is CODE..... | |
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| | I question the accuracy of this map! I'm sure it's from a good source. However, there doesn't appear to be one in my area (southwest corner of Mo.) There's one that appears to be in Springfield, Mo. But I'd be a little out of range for that one!! Cool map anyway. | |
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| | | Re: I question the accuracy of this map! Well maybe your loops too long, goes halfway across the state, and you just don't know it yet. | |
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| | | said by linuxdude:
I'm sure it's from a good source. However, there doesn't appear to be one in my area (southwest corner of Mo.) There's one that appears to be in Springfield, Mo. But I'd be a little out of range for that one!! Cool map anyway.
Why don't you call SouthWestern Bell. I know the company handles the CO side, even in MO areas served by GTE. | |
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| | Okay, I found it!! I stand corrected. I spotted it. 1 little green dot!! | |
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| | | Re: Okay, I found it!!
now where's the * Canadian * Version?
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| | | I hear you on that. I am just right below you with three little green dots. If you can find Little Rock, go north-west, and you will see three little green dots. I am 5.3 miles south of the bottom green dot. Darn SWB and their Slow Butts!
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| Anon | Green dots in my hair! Did you guys notice that on the NorthEast coast we stole all of the green, and that our entire green is equivalent to the rest of the country?
Does anyone know why?
Just my 2 cents. If you got a 50 dollar bill I'll make if my 50 Dollars.....
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West Grove, PA | Well New Jersey is the most densely populated state in the country. Look at all the green dots in that state! You can hardly tell where it starts and where it ends. | |
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So you have a 100 times more connections, problem is 75% of them don't work worth a damn.
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Holland, MI | Need one more color What about those CO's which were formerly operational, but have now been shut down?
Also, there is a difference between CO's that have inactive DSLAM's and CO's that have had the DSLAM entirely yanked (some of the flailing providers left their equipment behind for unspecified reasons, even though they are not live).
Not that I'm critical of the .gif itself because that's cool as hell (put it on m'background, I did).
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| | yesyes I question the accuracy of this map. In Maine and New Hampshire there are many COs where I know there are a variety of DSL providers, and they don't show up on the
map. For example, Maine has at least 20 COs with DSL,
but the map shows far fewer.
This may come as a shock, but many DSL providers don't bother to register with DSL Reports. Turns out, DSL Reports is not the center of the Universe.
Reviewing the above, I realize it is not true. It is not that I question the accuracy of the map; I know it is
wrong. | |
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| | Let's start a petition. Just by eyeing this chart, it appears that only 0.5% of all COs are DSL-enabled. This must change. | |
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|  justinAustralian
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| Re: Let's start a petition. No actually it is deceptive. The green conglomerations are metro areas and could represent dozens or hundreds of COs.. actually the ratio is probably more like 10%..
If you take into account population density as well, it probably rises further. Some of those areas with sparse red dots have very low population per sq km compared to metro areas. | |
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| | | | Re: Let's start a petition. but still, look at the entire midwest. I counted 4 DSLCOs in Wyoming and only 2 in South Dakota. The rest of the midwest is inundated in a sea of red.
And yeah, I understand that sparse density part. For instance, every part of Nevada that isn't next to Vegas or Reno is pretty sparse. | |
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| | Where did this map come from?
Just wondering.
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|  sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
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Morristown, NJ | Re: Where did this map come from? Yes, and how was it generated (software)? If you don't mind sharing, I'd love to know what conglomeration of software packages were used to plot this out...
Very nice job Justin & Friends! | |
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| | Anon | Did anyone ever find out the source for the map? Was it Cactus Strategies of Colorado? | |
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| | Anon | Hi, the map was generated by a program we wrote on our perl/mysql system.
I have posted a reply to the very first post on the subject of this map - it explains where the data comes from and how to interpret it.
It is not right up to date.
mark@dslreports.com | |
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Mission Viejo, CA | ? And where are the dots showing where people live that think a dial-up Web TV is a high speed internet connection? | |
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| | Wherefor? The title of this article is "CO, CO, wherefor art thou, CO?", an obvious reference to Romeo and Juliet. Unfortunately it doesn't make sense. First, it is spelled "wherefore". Even in Middle English, it was "wherfor". Second, wherefore means "why" not "where".
Don't believe me? Check out »www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=wherefore | |
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| justinAustralian
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kudos:7 | Re: Wherefor? yeah I typed that one in very late last night, and thought it sucked, but was too tired to change it.. now it is titled "the digital divide". | |
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| | | | Re: Wherefor? Yeah, it should've been titled "Wherefore art thou CO and who long will thou be? Thy has been waiting frigging forever and a day." | |
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Walnut Creek, CA | Election similiarity When I saw this map it reminded me of the map after the election last year. It looked like Bush had so many more votes, because he had so many more states, but Gore was actually pretty close, because the majority of states that gore won, had the majority of the population. The same holds true for this map, the DSL enabled CO's are in the populated areas, and some of those CO's might serve alot more people than other, non activated ones. | |
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| sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ | Re: Election similiarity You beat me to it. Dems for DSL!
The other similarity I see is that it looks shockingly like a SprintPCS coverage map from when they first rolled out the service... | |
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| | Anon | Just goes to show you if the Republicans were in charge during the Internet revolution, the company that makes Dixie cups would be the Cisco of today!
-just my $.02
DEly | |
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| | Anon | I had a similar thought. Overlay this onto the electoral mapping of the candidates and the majority of the DSL "haves" are in the Gore states. Hey - maybe Al invented DSL, too!
Actually, it was just a scheme to allow campaign pledges to be made faster. | |
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Center Line, MI | Are they hiring?
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Fold for a Cure! | |
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Chicago, IL | This means G. W. Bush won? Am I the only one to see the resemblance to the presidential election map? | |
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| | I can see my house from here!! Oh, wait. Nevermind. | |
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| ConCashProConcash Customer
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Little Rock, AR | Re: I can see my house from here!!
MUAHAHAHHA
death to sbc and the telcos | |
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| | Update MO Dots I ain't picking on the highway department. Broadband would be real joke if the Jeff City boys were in charge.
Take my word that DSL enables CO are in other placed beside around St. Louis, Kansas City, St. Charles, and Springfield. SWB/ASI has done a good job of putting DSLAM equipment into CO. I know of a small rural town 30 miles north of Columbia that while getting phone serve by GTE, ADSL is offered by both SWB and Telocity. Just meet the distance requirement from the CO. | |
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|  computxnullus cogito ergo google.Premium
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Kirksville, MO | Re: Update MO Dots | |
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| Anon | WOW .. kewl map Very interesting map, I will never go back to a 56k modem again!
Is there a map for the UK?
Deano | |
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| | Anon | Re: UK map We here at dslreports would love to build one for the UK but a single green dot over South Kensington would hardly set the world on fire.
If anyone can point us to any data for Blighty, please let me know (mark@dslreports.com) | |
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| | | Anon | Re: UK map LOL ... It seems Britain seems to be approx 5 years behind the States with respect to the 'electronic frontier'!
You are correct, DSL is still in it's infancy over the pond.
It will be interesting to see how quickly DSL expands.
My friends have seen my connection rates and have ordered DSL. Keep up the good work !!!
Deano | |
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