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University digs into Ron Paul spam...

Wired News reports that the University of Alabama is accusing the Ron Paul campaign of using botnets to send political spam. The University's Spam Data Mining for Law Enforcement Applications project processes 2.5 million spam messages a day, and the researchers noticed that a flood of spam promoting the candidate was being laundered through systems in Brazil, Nigeria and elsewhere. From one e-mail:

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Ron Paul is for the people, unless you want your children to have human implant RFID chips, a National ID card and create a North American Union and see an economic collapse far worse than the great depression. Vote for Ron Paul he speaks the truth and the media and government is afraid of him.
"This is clearly a criminal act in support of a campaign, which has been committed with or without their knowledge," says Gary Warner, the University of Alabama's director of research in computer forensics. "The question is, will we see more and more of this, or will this bring shame to the campaigns and will they make clear that this is not a form of acceptable behavior by their supporters?"

Paul spokesman Jesse Benton denies the campaign's involvement. "If it is true, it could be done by a well-intentioned yet misguided supporter or someone with bad intentions trying to embarrass the campaign," he says. "Either way, this is independent work, and we have no connection."
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laserjobs
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Smear Campaign

Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul?

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said by laserjobs:

Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul?
Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
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said by FFH5:

Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
...as is true with any presidential candidates' supporters, not just Ron Paul's.

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"The question is, will we see more and more of this, or will this bring shame to the campaigns and will they make clear that this is not a form of acceptable behavior by their supporters?"----Gary Warner

WOW....convicted before evidence...the state of American politics, how sad!

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said by S_engineer:

" or will this bring shame to the campaigns and will they make clear that this is not a form of acceptable behavior by their supporters?"----Gary Warner

WOW....convicted before evidence...the state of American politics, how sad!
I didn't think it was possible to bring any more shame than there already is..:)

Mike
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We need to make a poll.

Who is crazier;

Apple Fanatics or the hardcore Ron Paul fans.

/posted from a mac

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said by Mike:

We need to make a poll.

Who is crazier;

Apple Fanatics or the hardcore Ron Paul fans.

/posted from a mac
That is fantastic...And I would vote Apple Supporters.
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Definitely Apple fanatics. That is, until a Windows fanatic sees a PC/Mac commercial, then all bets are off.

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yeah cause macs are great, until you try to do anything. play games? oh wait...

with a mac you can... uhh... browse the internet and use photoshop?!

oh wait yeah browsing may not work so well, better get back on that pc so the site "looks right" again...

AmeritecTech
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Hey, its not Mac's fault that the Internet Explorer programmers are just now finally cleaning up their code.

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said by Jerm:

yeah cause macs are great, until you try to do anything. play games? oh wait...

with a mac you can... uhh... browse the internet and use photoshop?!

oh wait yeah browsing may not work so well, better get back on that pc so the site "looks right" again...
hahahahaha lol omg so tru!1!!

no wait, nm.

I spoke to an uninformed n00b (much like urself) about Crysis, in which I was then told that his system didnt support it.

I let him play it on my MacBook Pro.

There's nothing sweeter than a PC Lovers envy (yum)
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Re: Smear Campaign

As an FYI: Your mac? Yeah, it's a PC too.

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said by FFH5:
said by laserjobs:

Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul?
Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
Actual Ron Paul supporters can spell. We can also make grammatically correct sentences.

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said by tiger72:

said by FFH5:
said by laserjobs:

Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul?
Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
Actual Ron Paul supporters can spell. We can also make grammatically correct sentences.
Do you have any evidence to support that statement.

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said by anony101 :

Do you have any evidence to support that statement.
Did you intend to end that sentence with a question mark?

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said by AmeritecTech:
said by anony101 :

Do you have any evidence to support that statement.
Did you intend to end that sentence with a question mark?
**** An AOL Moderator has entered the room ....

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said by anony101 :

Do you have any evidence to support that statement.
yes.

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said by tiger72:
said by FFH5:
said by laserjobs:

Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul?
Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
Actual Ron Paul supporters can spell. We can also make grammatically correct sentences.
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Who cares?) is a nut. I don't get the obsession with this guy that wants to eliminate the FBI, CIA, IRS, and then blames 9-11 on past foreign policy (Rudy did whack him good on that that fiasco).

The only thing Ron Paul is good for is entertainment: how big of a jerk will he make of himself tonight? Only Kucinich looks more crazy. Paul, Kucinich, and Gravel (the other Democrat nut kicked out of the debates) should all get together and go on some medication.

Kucinich and Ron Paul supporters think both are some God of Politics because they won an Internet Poll. Both just prove there are complete nutjobs in both parties.

Have to agree with Joe Biden on Kucinich: the only thing good about him is his wife.

Ron Paul believes the War Powers Act is Unconstitutional (pretty sure he thinks the income tax is illegal too). Kucinich believes in UFOs according to the last debate, which made him look like a complete idiot. Maybe his wife is an alien? No, she's British. But, that doesn't explain the crop circles at Kucinich's farm.

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supergirl See Profile, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but your post is indicative of stage 2 of Ghandi's axiom.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Core Libertarian values are the only values which allow all people to live the way they want to live. It is the only ideology which actually encourages other ideologies to flourish. I think you feel threatened by that, or else you wouldn't waste your time belittling it all on the Internet.

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Hmmm. You do realise that just because you're laughable it doesnt mean that you're automatically two steps away from inevitable victory.

"Remember, homies: sometimes you're just laughable." - Gandhi

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Wish we had someone like Ron Paul over here in Good ole Commy Britain.
»thebestronpaulvideos.blo ··· pot.com/

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quote:
I don't get the obsession with this guy that wants to eliminate the FBI, CIA, IRS
Shh! You're not supposed to mention the utterly batshit insane portion of the platform.

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Aw come on, Karl, but neo-nazis and Islamic supremacists agree, Ron Paul is the right man for the job as President!

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said by Karl Bode:
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I don't get the obsession with this guy that wants to eliminate the FBI, CIA, IRS
Shh! You're not supposed to mention the utterly batshit insane portion of the platform.
Well, he has raised $5 million for his campaign. I guess a lot of "fools and their money parted."

If Ron Paul says, "The Constitution! The Constitution! The Constitution!" one more time, can I whack him on the head with it? It would be good for my constitution.

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said by supergirl:

If Ron Paul says, "The Constitution! The Constitution! The Constitution!" one more time, can I whack him on the head with it? It would be good for my constitution.
I just wanted to make sure this got quoted for posterity. That way, in a few years when you're presenting your RealID to the nice officer who clears you to enter your own home, we can look back at this and have a hearty guffaw.

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said by yock:
said by supergirl:

If Ron Paul says, "The Constitution! The Constitution! The Constitution!" one more time, can I whack him on the head with it? It would be good for my constitution.
I just wanted to make sure this got quoted for posterity. That way, in a few years when you're presenting your RealID to the nice officer who clears you to enter your own home, we can look back at this and have a hearty guffaw.
Under Hillary Klinton that could happen (Illegal Aliens are exempt).

Trick or Treat?

Bill Clinton got drunk in college and ended up sleeping with this woman from the sorority. He woke up the next morning in a strange bed and all his clothes were missing. That wasn't a shock since it happened many times before. The shock came when he pulled back the covers and found Hillary sleeping next to him.

If Ron Paul understood the Constitution, I wouldn't be making fun of him. Of course, he does routinely make a total jacka** out of himself.

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said by supergirl:

Under Hillary Klinton that could happen
Yep, in fact I dare say Ron Paul is about the only candidate who outright opposes it, aside from some of the fringe Democrats.

What's with misspelling her name?

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said by yock:
said by supergirl:

Under Hillary Klinton that could happen
Yep, in fact I dare say Ron Paul is about the only candidate who outright opposes it, aside from some of the fringe Democrats.

What's with misspelling her name?
Hillary Klinton = Socialism.

Ron Paul = Schizophrenic!

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I still don't understand what the "k" has to do with anything.

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It seems that Ron Paul is the only candidate that UNDERSTANDS constitution.

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said by FFH5:

Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy
It's rather hilarious to see you accusing others of being fanatics. I've read your Red Room posts.

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said by FFH5:

Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
Hmmm that sounds just like many Republicans AND Democrats that I know too.
Expand your moderator at work

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said by FFH5:
said by laserjobs:

Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul?
Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
Couldn't have said it better myself. And they smell funny.
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said by FFH5:

said by laserjobs:

Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul?
Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate.
Ron Paul is way outside the box, but if he wasn't he wouldn't have supporters (that's growing), he's the only candidate that makes the truth the truth and that's why he's so weird cause most are so used to not thinking for themselfs but have gov do it for them. the other candidates want to tax tax tax, and more gov. Ron Paul sees the Gov as a problem for this country cause its getting bigger WITHOUT any checks and balances.

GO RON PAUL
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All I can say is that [some] Ron Paul supporters are the reason I stopped visiting Digg. It just got to be too much. Other than that I have no opinion about the man. It doesn't matter where the spam came from, SPAM is SPAM (unless you fry it up and put some brown sugar sauce on it).

It's not nearly as bad as things like the phone jamming in NH and other dirty tricks some have come up with, but his campaign walks a fine line between great grassroots support and alienating potential voters (and others) with some of the more fanatical 'support' displayed outside of the official campaign.

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Ad hominem...
When you argue it would do you good to think more.
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The lame stream media is very afraid that their agenda will come to a screeching halt with Dr. Ron Paul returning the US to it's proper form as a Constitutional Republic.

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I bet a lot is coming from China...my guess a Chinese Hillary supporter is behind it.
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It's hardly a secret that the cultish supporters of the Bircheresque Crank regularly spam polls and engage in other such overly obsessive behavior in support of their looney suject of worship Ron Paul.

This would hardly be unusual amongst his base of conspiracy theorist, white supremicist band of college kid supporters.

One doesn't really need to bother inventing stories about his supporters; there's also no reason to bother considering that he has absolutely zero chance of winning.

I now await the typical Ron Paul supporter response, which typically involves calling his detractors facist socialist neocons

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Perhaps I need to start spamming people about the greatness of Clinton and Giuliani. Will you all have such negative reactions toward those candidates for the spam as well?

Or is this just an excuse to perform a little unwarranted character assassination?

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said by yock:

Perhaps I need to start spamming people about the greatness of Clinton and Giuliani. Will you all have such negative reactions toward those candidates for the spam as well?

Or is this just an excuse to perform a little unwarranted character assassination?
If they didn't fear him, they wouldn't spend the time using ad hominem attacks which are based upon false presumptions.

Ahh the beauty of logically fallacious arguments is that they easily can be dismissed out of hand.

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Ron Paul should win the Primary

National ID is a good idea, anyone that thinks its bad is just misinformed.
Just think 1 uniform ID or 50 completely different IDs.
Which scenario makes it easier to spot the fake?

I really hope this election becomes a battle between Obama and Ron Paul. Both are the only good people running.
That way we cannot loose like in the last election.

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one more vote

Thanks for posting this spam message, now I know for whom I shall vote, why Ron Paul of course

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Re: one more vote

If Ron Paul was indeed behind this spam campaign, would this keep you guys from voting for him?

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said by hopeflicker:

If Ron Paul was indeed behind this spam campaign, would this keep you guys from voting for him?
There's not much chance of that being true. If it were true and kept me from voting for him, I'd probably just stay home and not vote for anybody.

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Support

I'm going to support whoever the Botnets support.

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Big mistake.

I wouldn't be surprise if BBR crashes today due to hits to this thread from RPA. Those folks are crazzzzzzzzy.

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All that talking and no examples?

Jeeesh....ya know if your going to make a claim like this at least post a sample email to back it up...

Stupid reporters (not you Karl)....leave out the most important stuff.

X-Apparently-To: xxx@ameritech.net via 209.191.72.44; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:42:56 -0700
X-YahooFilteredBulk: 125.43.227.241
X-Originating-IP: [125.43.227.241]
Authentication-Results: mta111.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com  from=ohiohills.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 207.115.36.60  (EHLO nlpi031.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.60)
  by mta111.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:42:56 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [125.43.227.241]
Received: from hn.kd.ny.adsl (hn.kd.ny.adsl [125.43.227.241] (may be forged))
by nlpi031.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb regex/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9T4gqjF019725
for <xxx@ameritech.net>; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:42:53 -0500
Received: from [125.43.227.241] by ns2.sisna.com; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:42:36 +0000
Message-ID: <000701c04162$07b5b3e8$39a71397@efebm>
From: "jammal shigenar" <martin@ohiohills.com>
To: <xxx@ameritech.net>
Subject: Ron Paul Eliminates The IRS! MAnnUCo
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 02:55:14 +0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed;
charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.2663
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2757
 
Hello Scott, 
 
Ron Paul is for the people, unless you want your children to have human implant RFID chips, a National ID card and create a North American Union and see an economic collapse far worse than the great depression. Vote for Ron Paul he speaks the truth and the media and government is afraid of him. This is the last honest politican left to bring this country out of this rut from the War Profiteers and bush Administration has created. Get motivated America, don't believe the lies of the media he has also WON the GOP Debate On Sunday! Value Freedom and Liberty instead of corporate lies and corruption. Bypass this media blackout they are doing to Ron Paul, tell your family and friends and get involved in a local group at meetup.com make your voice heard! He will end the War In Iraq immediately, He will eliminate the IRS and wasteful government spending, and eliminate the Federal Reserve and restore power to the people and the only person not a member on the CFR. Can any other runner make these claims or give Americans the true freedom we were all raised to believe? We are all economic slaves to the banks and the illegal federal Reserve. This is why our currency is worth nothing because of Hidden Inflation Tax and the IRS taking everything you make! 
 
** RON PAUL WILL STOP THE IRAQ WAR IMMEDIATELY! ** 
 
He has NEVER voted: 
* to raise taxes
* for an unbalanced budget
* to raise congressional pay
* for a federal restriction on gun ownership
* to increase the power of the executive branch 
 
He HAS voted: 
* against the Iraq war
* against the inappropriately named USA PATRIOT act
* against regulating the internet
* against the Military Commissions Act 
 
He will eliminate the IRS, Wasteful Government Spending & Stop The Iraq War Immediately! 
 
Most importantly, he voted NO on anything in Congress that is not allowed by the Constitution. And he Despises any politican that does not do their job for the people and lives up to the constitution!  
 
Google.com & Youtube.com Search: "Ron Paul" 
Join The Revolution! 
 
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We Need A Real President That Will Restore And Protect Americans! Stop The War! Protect Our Borders! 
*********VOTE RON PAUL 2008************
bqhqdj
 

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Proof?

Of course I'm biased (see tag) but it seems somewhat immature for the University of Alabama to imply that these spam messages were launched by the official campaign. Now, if this was true, I certainly would think twice about voting for Paul. However, there doesn't seem to be much proof to this case.

Ron Paul supporters tend to be very outspoken, and I highly doubt this is the work of anyone within the campaign. This action by the U of A reminds me of that other school that was quick to blame the iPhone for network issues (and gave Apple a ton of bad press) only for the issue to end up being with Cisco's firmware.

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Are these real scientists investigating spam?

A real scientist is impartial. They make reasonable assumptions and then test their hypotheses. Are these real scientists investigating spam? If so, why not just give us the facts? Jumping to the conclusion that the Ron Paul campaign is involved in a spambot based on thin evidence that a spambot campaign exists is poor science. 'By their works ye shall know them'. Is this science or political intrigue masquerading as science?

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These kind of things happen during revolutions

I'm sure this was done by a Paul supporter. Back a bit before 1776...... would the founding fathers have done this in their effort to rid them of the king? (haha - i don't know!)

Anyway, I don't see it as a negative per say... a bit slimey - yeah... but this wasn't a virus - just a piece of spam.

Ultimately - what will come of it? Did 1,000 people read it and like what they read? We'll never know (did Ron's donations spike that day? No. Too bad.)

There must have been a pretty nervous 20-something dude out there clicking 'Ok' to send millions of pieces of spam in what they thought was the best they could do for this revolution...

bill

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pffttt......

Tis the season to get this $hit,the same for the phones, they neatly exepted themselves from the "do not call"......this is much ado about nothing....get over it and learn to live with it. Peace....

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The Funny thing is...

this will be a complete non-issue. Most of the media and the voting public don't even know what a botnet is.

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Smear

I think it's a smear campaign by a supporter or group of supporters of another candidate running, either D or R. No other person running can raise what Ron Paul can unless they take all sorts of dirty money. No other candidate has thousands or real life volunteers handing out information at public events, for free! Paul's polling numbers have constantly risen, he isn't this random old guy yelling at the wall anymore.

I know the campaign would not endorse spamming people. Most true supporters know spamming would just piss off people.
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said by texans20:

I think it's a smear campaign by a supporter or group of supporters of another candidate running, either D or R.
IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!1!!1!!

Read the e-mail; it looks exactly like what I've seen Ron Paul supporters spam forums with all the time. No supporter of another candidate is going to bother with the nutty Ron Paul and his 2% national support.

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Re: Smear

Latest Gallup has him at 4%, which is not much, sure. There's been a new television and radio advertising push, so we'll see.

My opinion is that this was done by a foolish, over-zealous supporter.

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Front page news....

...that bashes a Republican.

[sarcasnm]I'm shocked![/sarcasms]

I'm just waiting for someone to blame Bush and the "right wing religious nuts". T-minus....
titoyay
join:2003-09-14
Cincinnati, OH

titoyay

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Re: Front page news....

Not sure if its a part of it but there is a small sign in a fence above I71 South that says "Google Ron Paul"

It's very small. No bigger than a stop sign.

morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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morbo

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why does u of alabama CARE??


i have to ask the question-- why does U of Alabama even care about Ron Paul spam? i receive one of those emails, but i receive 100+ other crap every day. why aren't they complaining about everything else?

i smell something fishy.

Scatcatpdx
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR

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Not Supprised

I am on FFC and we have been spamed by Ron Paul Fanatic. Let not forget Mr. Paul is a typical Libertarian. As such, he drags in every malcontent moobat. The problem is Libertarians had never defined any guiding principals; they we are for liberty but fails to define what is liberty and pragmatically allow any malcontent to join and redefine liberty. As a result you will any a wide rang of contradicting supporters from racist, socialist to anarchist factions.

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Jim Gurd
Premium Member
join:2000-07-08
Livonia, MI

Jim Gurd

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Dirty tricks

If the worst dirty trick that Ron Paul supporters can be accused of is spamming then they must be some fine, upstanding citizens, don't you think?

Candidates in other elections have done far worse with barely a peep. Just look at the outright fraud that groups like ACORN have engaged in.

kballs
@comcast.net

kballs

Anon

if campaign spam is illegal...

If campaign spam is illegal, they should also make all the snail mail cards/pamphlets that fill your mailbox illegal, along with unsolicited campaign phone calls.
Madmick
join:2002-12-12
East Northport, NY

Madmick

Member

Re: if campaign spam is illegal...

The anointed ones in DC have pass a law making what they do (phone calls, mailers, etc...) EXEMPT from the Don Not Call List.

Ever wonder why we even bother "electing" these tools?

vonage
join:2003-11-29
Parlin, NJ

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vonage

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Re: if campaign spam is illegal...

All these people supporting other candidates must really like there master the Federal Reserve. Go ahead pay your fair share of the income tax...you been a slave soo long you do not remember what its like to be free.

Tony Andrews
@209.113.151.x

Tony Andrews

Anon

UAB

Being an Alabaman, I decided to do some research into this claim. UAB has, as far as I can tell, have no real knowledge of this report, whatsoever listed on their website in the form of a report or press release.

I wonder who Gary Warner supports? I intend to email him and ask. I know his research is funded by the FBI. Stirland's research seems less than objective, as well.

Tannim
@orthropgrumman.com

Tannim

Anon

Another non-issue

Most likely this was from some spambot that planted some spyware on a Paul supporter PC somewhere and used that info to generate the spam. It's pretty common practice nowadays and people who don't run good anti-spyware software tend to be the victims.

As for UAB, they have no clue about what they are saying. I have no idea if it came from a Paul supporter, a supporter for another candidate, or from someone else entirely. But to accuse the Paul campaign or its supporters of this without any evidence to back it up is scurrilous and fallacious. I think all we're seeing here is just another spam bomb by a botnet trying to capitalize on a popular topic on the Net. So what else is new? All that says is that if Dr. Paul's campaign is so big it's now causing spambot mail, then that's a compliment to the success the campaign is having.

If this is being done by anti-Paul people, the next thing will be a phishing attempt in Dr. Paul's name, spoofing the web site, etc. You heard it here first. (And no, I'm not technically savvy enough and not morally bankrupt to do such a thing!)

VegasMan
Living the Vegas life.
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join:2002-11-17
Las Vegas, NV

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VegasMan

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Botnet, Network Media Same thing

How is this any different than the spam we get from the main stream media that spam us with the Hillary and Rudy crap all day long?
antioch
join:2007-10-06
Pomona, CA

antioch

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Re: Botnet, Network Media Same thing

There's the problem with small grass roots campaigns. But, this could be 1 person! Not Ron Paul and his true campaign.
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