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| Re: Smear Campaign said by LiamJunket :Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. ...as is true with any presidential candidates' supporters, not just Ron Paul's. | |
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| Re: Smear Campaign yeah cause macs are great, until you try to do anything. play games? oh wait...
with a mac you can... uhh... browse the internet and use photoshop?!
oh wait yeah browsing may not work so well, better get back on that pc so the site "looks right" again... | |
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no wait, nm.
I spoke to an uninformed n00b (much like urself) about Crysis, in which I was then told that his system didnt support it.
I let him play it on my MacBook Pro.
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| Re: Smear Campaign said by tiger72 :said by LiamJunket :said by laserjobs :Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul? Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. Actual Ron Paul supporters can spell. We can also make grammatically correct sentences. Do you have any evidence to support that statement. | |
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Do you have any evidence to support that statement. Did you intend to end that sentence with a question mark? -- "Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions." -John Callari | |
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Do you have any evidence to support that statement. Did you intend to end that sentence with a question mark? **** An AOL Moderator has entered the room .... -- Pretty Fly for a White Guy | |
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Do you have any evidence to support that statement. yes. | |
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| said by tiger72 :said by LiamJunket :said by laserjobs :Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul? Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. Actual Ron Paul supporters can spell. We can also make grammatically correct sentences. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Who cares?) is a nut. I don't get the obsession with this guy that wants to eliminate the FBI, CIA, IRS, and then blames 9-11 on past foreign policy (Rudy did whack him good on that that fiasco).
The only thing Ron Paul is good for is entertainment: how big of a jerk will he make of himself tonight? Only Kucinich looks more crazy. Paul, Kucinich, and Gravel (the other Democrat nut kicked out of the debates) should all get together and go on some medication.
Kucinich and Ron Paul supporters think both are some God of Politics because they won an Internet Poll. Both just prove there are complete nutjobs in both parties.
Have to agree with Joe Biden on Kucinich: the only thing good about him is his wife.
Ron Paul believes the War Powers Act is Unconstitutional (pretty sure he thinks the income tax is illegal too). Kucinich believes in UFOs according to the last debate, which made him look like a complete idiot. Maybe his wife is an alien? No, she's British. But, that doesn't explain the crop circles at Kucinich's farm.  -- Saving the world keeps me busy. However, I find Earth very primitive from my home planet of Krypton. -Supergirl | |
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| Re: Smear Campaign supergirl , you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but your post is indicative of stage 2 of Ghandi's axiom.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Core Libertarian values are the only values which allow all people to live the way they want to live. It is the only ideology which actually encourages other ideologies to flourish. I think you feel threatened by that, or else you wouldn't waste your time belittling it all on the Internet. | |
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| Re: Smear Campaign said by supergirl :If Ron Paul says, "The Constitution! The Constitution! The Constitution!" one more time, can I whack him on the head with it? It would be good for my constitution.  I just wanted to make sure this got quoted for posterity. That way, in a few years when you're presenting your RealID to the nice officer who clears you to enter your own home, we can look back at this and have a hearty guffaw. | |
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| Re: Smear Campaign said by supergirl :Under Hillary Klinton that could happen Yep, in fact I dare say Ron Paul is about the only candidate who outright opposes it, aside from some of the fringe Democrats.
What's with misspelling her name? | |
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| said by LiamJunket :said by laserjobs :Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul? Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. Couldn't have said it better myself. And they smell funny. -- Pretty Fly for a White Guy | |
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| said by LiamJunket :said by laserjobs :Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul? Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. Ron Paul is way outside the box, but if he wasn't he wouldn't have supporters (that's growing), he's the only candidate that makes the truth the truth and that's why he's so weird cause most are so used to not thinking for themselfs but have gov do it for them. the other candidates want to tax tax tax, and more gov. Ron Paul sees the Gov as a problem for this country cause its getting bigger WITHOUT any checks and balances.
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| All I can say is that [some] Ron Paul supporters are the reason I stopped visiting Digg. It just got to be too much. Other than that I have no opinion about the man. It doesn't matter where the spam came from, SPAM is SPAM (unless you fry it up and put some brown sugar sauce on it).
It's not nearly as bad as things like the phone jamming in NH and other dirty tricks some have come up with, but his campaign walks a fine line between great grassroots support and alienating potential voters (and others) with some of the more fanatical 'support' displayed outside of the official campaign. | |
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| It's hardly a secret that the cultish supporters of the Bircheresque Crank regularly spam polls and engage in other such overly obsessive behavior in support of their looney suject of worship Ron Paul.
This would hardly be unusual amongst his base of conspiracy theorist, white supremicist band of college kid supporters.
One doesn't really need to bother inventing stories about his supporters; there's also no reason to bother considering that he has absolutely zero chance of winning.
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| Perhaps I need to start spamming people about the greatness of Clinton and Giuliani. Will you all have such negative reactions toward those candidates for the spam as well?
Or is this just an excuse to perform a little unwarranted character assassination? -- Laughter is the closest distance between two people. --Victor Borge Lynch All Liars | |
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| Re: Smear Campaign said by yock :Perhaps I need to start spamming people about the greatness of Clinton and Giuliani. Will you all have such negative reactions toward those candidates for the spam as well? Or is this just an excuse to perform a little unwarranted character assassination? If they didn't fear him, they wouldn't spend the time using ad hominem attacks which are based upon false presumptions.
Ahh the beauty of logically fallacious arguments is that they easily can be dismissed out of hand. | |
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| Re: one more vote said by hopeflicker :If Ron Paul was indeed behind this spam campaign, would this keep you guys from voting for him? There's not much chance of that being true. If it were true and kept me from voting for him, I'd probably just stay home and not vote for anybody. -- "Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions." -John Callari | |
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If he is behind this, this just reinforces my view of all politicians being corrupt. -- People pray to God because they're told to. | |
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| Re: Support said by hopeflicker :In other words, do whatever it takes to get into the white house illegal or not, right? If he is behind this, this just reinforces my view of all politicians being corrupt. Ron Paul actually understands and can debate complex economics, but is too dumb to understand that misspelled spam doesn't work? RIIIGHT! -- |- The LP »www.lp.org/issues/issues.shtml -| |- Cato @ Liberty »www.cato-at-liberty.org -| | |
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| Proof? Of course I'm biased (see tag) but it seems somewhat immature for the University of Alabama to imply that these spam messages were launched by the official campaign. Now, if this was true, I certainly would think twice about voting for Paul. However, there doesn't seem to be much proof to this case.
Ron Paul supporters tend to be very outspoken, and I highly doubt this is the work of anyone within the campaign. This action by the U of A reminds me of that other school that was quick to blame the iPhone for network issues (and gave Apple a ton of bad press) only for the issue to end up being with Cisco's firmware. -- Ron Paul 2008!
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| Re: Proof? said by MysticGogeta :If it was part of the official campaign would you admit it? Specially after this. No, but that doesn't prove that it was part of the campaign. In fact, it's just as likely that it was done as an act against the campaign in the hope that it would generate some bad press.
If this was officially orchestrated by the campaign, I would rely on proof from outside sources, not what the official campaign states. And as of right now, there is NO proof; just some school's 15 minutes of fame. -- Ron Paul 2008!
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| Re: Proof? said by WALL_E :said by MysticGogeta :If it was part of the official campaign would you admit it? Specially after this. No, but that doesn't prove that it was part of the campaign. In fact, it's just as likely that it was done as an act against the campaign in the hope that it would generate some bad press. Gee; conspiracy mongering from a Ron Paul supporter? Who'd have thunk it?
This was almost certainly from a cultish supporter, not the Bircheresque Crank himself. Since Paul is a non-issue in the campaign besides being a minor annoyance, there's no reason for anyone else to try and act against him.
Still, it's no secret that he tends to draw a lot of support from the nutjob demographic- something I can hardly characterize as accident given his repeated appearences on the Alex Jones (batcrap insane conspiracy theorist) radio show. | |
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Anyway, I don't see it as a negative per say... a bit slimey - yeah... but this wasn't a virus - just a piece of spam.
Ultimately - what will come of it? Did 1,000 people read it and like what they read? We'll never know (did Ron's donations spike that day? No. Too bad.)
There must have been a pretty nervous 20-something dude out there clicking 'Ok' to send millions of pieces of spam in what they thought was the best they could do for this revolution...
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| Smear I think it's a smear campaign by a supporter or group of supporters of another candidate running, either D or R. No other person running can raise what Ron Paul can unless they take all sorts of dirty money. No other candidate has thousands or real life volunteers handing out information at public events, for free! Paul's polling numbers have constantly risen, he isn't this random old guy yelling at the wall anymore.
I know the campaign would not endorse spamming people. Most true supporters know spamming would just piss off people. -- The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and out of self interest -- for himself, his family, and the future of his country -- to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state. | |
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Read the e-mail; it looks exactly like what I've seen Ron Paul supporters spam forums with all the time. No supporter of another candidate is going to bother with the nutty Ron Paul and his 2% national support. | |
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| Re: Smear Latest Gallup has him at 4%, which is not much, sure. There's been a new television and radio advertising push, so we'll see.
My opinion is that this was done by a foolish, over-zealous supporter. -- "Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions." -John Callari | |
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[sarcasnm]I'm shocked![/sarcasms]
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| Re: Supprised said by Richard B :I am on FFC and we have been spamed by Ron Paul Fanatic. Let not forget Mr. Paul is a typical Libertarian. As such, he drags in every malcontent moobat. The problem is Libertarians had never defined any guiding principals; they we are for liberty but fails to define what is liberty and pragmatically allow any malcontent to join and redefine liberty. As a result you will any a wide rang of contradicting supporters from racist, socialist to anarchist factions. Yes the message of freedom does have wide support from racists to anarchists to socially conservative Democrats to anti-war Republicans and to Americans who believe the US Government does not have a right to do "whatever it takes" to stop terrorism. Oh yea, you also got those crazy people who think we are overtaxed, we overspend, we give too much money to countries who should get zero. Not to mention, we have crazies who think it's their right to own guns, goofy ass people who think marijuana should be legalized!
The Libertarian Party itself is disorganized, but libertarians don't need but one guiding principal; liberty. Both Democrats and Republicans want to expand the government one way or anything. They either want our empire to grow, or they want to take care of the citizens from cradle to grave. -- The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and out of self interest -- for himself, his family, and the future of his country -- to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state. | |
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Candidates in other elections have done far worse with barely a peep. Just look at the outright fraud that groups like ACORN have engaged in. | |
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Being an Alabaman, I decided to do some research into this claim. UAB has, as far as I can tell, have no real knowledge of this report, whatsoever listed on their website in the form of a report or press release.
I wonder who Gary Warner supports? I intend to email him and ask. I know his research is funded by the FBI. Stirland's research seems less than objective, as well. | |
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As for UAB, they have no clue about what they are saying. I have no idea if it came from a Paul supporter, a supporter for another candidate, or from someone else entirely. But to accuse the Paul campaign or its supporters of this without any evidence to back it up is scurrilous and fallacious. I think all we're seeing here is just another spam bomb by a botnet trying to capitalize on a popular topic on the Net. So what else is new? All that says is that if Dr. Paul's campaign is so big it's now causing spambot mail, then that's a compliment to the success the campaign is having.
If this is being done by anti-Paul people, the next thing will be a phishing attempt in Dr. Paul's name, spoofing the web site, etc. You heard it here first. (And no, I'm not technically savvy enough and not morally bankrupt to do such a thing!) | |
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