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i'm not sure about proxies, but i could easily see the rise of encryption on every connection all the time and increased TOR usage. if TOR does make increase in usage heavily, i would think ISPs would hate it (ignoring caps and throttling) because 1 KB of data would no longer just effect 1 path between 2 computers + routers, but many more computers and routers with no benefit to anyone but the 2 computers at the source and destination. | |
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4 edits | Re: This is wrong I found this interesting, thanks. »www.torproject.org/
if I decide to be a relay, how low should i keep background traffic as to not intimidate my ISP.
is there a danger of being a relay, if others are using TOR to route illegal activity?
should I disable TOR when I'm doing something personal like my own online banking?
I've been using PeerGuardian 2 while doing P2P, but it's been poorly updated this past year, so I'm looking for a different solution to my anony concerns.
according to wiki, TOR blocks P2P since they don't want your bandwidth hogging other relays. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anony···network) which of course makes sense.
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»azureus.sourceforge.net/doc/Anon···_0.5.htm
Second, running a TOR relay is running a server, check that running a server isn't prohibited in your terms of service with your ISP. If it is and you operate a relay they have grounds to disconnect you.
Third, use uTorrent (it looks and acts just like BiTorrent) and check this out:
»forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?pid=345208
That might work on other clients like Azureus etc.
Set that to update every day in your task scheduler. That takes care of the torrent client and...
Then get PeerBlock here:
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That takes care of other connections to your machine. Make sure you check out the available lists...
Be sure that you're only accepting encrypted traffic in uTorrent, don't allow exceptions for legacy connections. End to end encryption is similar, traffic wise, to a VPN client. Ubergeeks, don't pop a node here, it's not exactly like it and it can be differentiated but it takes someone having a special interest in your traffic so I don't need to read anyone's show-off comment about how wrong I am. If you're just looking at volume it looks very similar, if you're looking at why someone is connected to 50 IP's from all over the world obviously it's different. Lots of people use VPN from home to work and more come online as more telecommuters come into existence.
Get a REAL hardware firewall like a Watchguard, SonicWALL, etc. I'm very happy with my SonicWALL TZ-180
User non-default ports, no sense in making it easy for them to see your traffic.
Seeding is an issue, the longer you do it, the more likely you are to get hit. They'd have a very hard time proving you've distributed copyrighted material if all you sent was a few kilobytes of otherwise unusable data.
You don't need to use any of this for daily web surfing, just set up your torrent client and firewall for it. If you TOR your browser and you live in the US, you're just wasting time. Unless you're a dissident, bomb maker, etc. If you're other wise law abiding but just have problems with the entertainment industry's draconian approach to life you don't need to TOR your browser. If you're really paranoid torrent-wise you could use TORButton on FireFox when you're visiting torrent search sites.
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A reasonable policy would be:
* ISPs must give subscriber data if ordered by a court, and may not under any other conditions.
* ISPs are exempt from liability as long as they comply with the above.
* To get a court order, a copyright holder must show evidence likely to be sufficient to prevail in an infringement action, and file suit.
* Penalties for proven infringement are only the retail cost of the files plus expenses of the suit, not huge arbitrary amounts, and not being banned from the most important modern communcations medium.
These rules would not only avoid wrongful burdens on innocent parties - they would also motivate the obsolete copyright industry to find new business models. | |
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2) Plenty of people will then realize the expense of this service which will be put on the ISP's thus rates will be raised even more than usual and the excuse will be improvements in the service (which probably wont justify the bigger than usual increase), blaming the economy (however it is doing, probably wont matter anyway), or again using the "This price increase means better things for the customer" bull line we are fed which makes little to no actual sense
3) With rates increased even more, we will see companies struggle with a variety of issues such as (like you say above, Karl) are you sure this IP address downloaded this file? What happens when it is appealed? Are we talking one person...if so what about the rest of the family in the house? And I am sure numerous other questions that I can't think of off the top of my head
4) Rates are increased substantially yet again in the 2nd year as companies run-around to try and fix all the loopholes and problems found in this issue.....and CEO's again tell the customer that rates are being increased for the "benefit of the customer" as we all know that paying higher bills makes us enjoy things even more. | |
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Especially in the noncompetitive ISP market, corporations already price their services at what people are at maximum willing to pay before deciding to go without service. | |
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Doesn't seem unrealistic to see a 3rd/4th straight year of price increases with maybe a tad bit more of an actual increase due to these issues | |
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2 edits | Re: Back room deals said by birdfeedr:is the new norm, in spite of campaign promises of "transparency". 
Maybe you are new in this country or have never read it, but we have this thing called the Consitution, and in it are rules called the seperation of powers.
The President has no power over what Congressional or Sentorial hearings, meetings, or whatever are televised or open to the public. He can ask, he can demand, but in the end it's not his decision.  | |
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 |  |  birdfeedrPremium,MVM join:2001-08-11 Warwick, RI kudos:5 | Re: Back room deals said by b10010011:He can ask, he can demand, but in the end it's not his decision. My original comment was a left-handed way of saying there's not a whole lot of new going on in Washington. And I won't blindly accept that the President's hands are tied in this. Promising what he can't deliver isn't new, but he's still at it. Just call me disillusioned about the whole mess going on down there.
Staying on topic: three strikes vs. entertainment's new profitable business model. Which do you think will get here first? Maybe neither, if they lose critical mass. Only thing I can do is vote with my wallet. | |
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1 edit | Well... Since the Merriam Webster dictionary ban in some US schools recently, they have been forced to revise some of their definitions.
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, so why not save time on figuring out definitions that are going to insult prude (read: ignorant) parents and put the picture of that woman in the definition for DRACONIAN. I'm sure she'd fit somewhere in the S's too. | |
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Why is it that we as taxpayers are to be expected to pay for the poor business decisions of yet another group of companies? In this case, it will be the taxpayer who will now be on the hook for performing loss prevention for content providers.
It is certainly not the fault of the US taxpayer that people are not buying the products sold by content providers the way they used to be. It is also not our fault that content providers have refused to adapt to the fact that people no longer believe that the products produced by these companies are worth the prices at which they are being offered for sale.
Copyright law already provides very generous civil and criminal penalties against people who infringe on copyright. There is no need for the government to take more of an enforcement approach here.
As for the content industry, adapt or die. -- "Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service. | |
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How are ISPs supposed to boot one person off a multi-user household off the Internet but allow the other family members access? Answer: You don't. The responsible adult who signed the contract for ISP service for the household is responsible for the actions of those in the household. And if anyone in the household misuses the internet connection, then the whole household gets disconnected.
This isn't a criminal proceeding where only the person who shot the deliveryman goes to jail and others in the house are blameless. It is a commercial contract where the responsible adult who signed the contract has agreed to the terms of the contract. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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 |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | Re: How are ISPs supposed to boot one person ? said by Romney2012:How are ISPs supposed to boot one person off a multi-user household off the Internet but allow the other family members access? Answer: You don't. The responsible adult who signed the contract for ISP service for the household is responsible for the actions of those in the household. And if anyone in the household misuses the internet connection, then the whole household gets disconnected. This isn't a criminal proceeding where only the person who shot the deliveryman goes to jail and others in the house are blameless. It is a commercial contract where the responsible adult who signed the contract has agreed to the terms of the contract. I am sure the company who gets that family's business next will be quite pleased | |
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 |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | said by Romney2012:Answer: You don't. The responsible adult who signed the contract for ISP service for the household is responsible for the actions of those in the household. And if anyone in the household misuses the internet connection, then the whole household gets disconnected. Yeah, that won't work.
Dad gets disconnected from his office because of what the college-aged teen does? Or for what the guy whose renting the teen's old room does?
We don't wiretap the phone just to stop potential drug deals. We shouldn't wiretap the Internet just to stop a little Xerox'ing. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Tweet! Tweet! -- »twitter.com/funchords | |
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said by silentlooker: The problem is that many people have wireless routers that either totally open or can easily be hacked. From my bedroom i can see 15 router, 5 of them totally open rest of them are using wep. So you basically see no problem of kicking someone off the internet because someone else hacked them? Ignorance of the law(or the terms of the contract) is no excuse. So no, I have no problem with disconnecting users who haven't taken the trouble to secure their system. If they can't do that, then stick to hard wired clients. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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| If what you'd like to see is a LOT of people getting kicked off the net then you're going to be a very happy camper because the majority of home users don't know any more about hard wiring than they do about securing their connection. I preach about securing wireless connections at work all the time, everyone thinks I'm waaay over the top on that subject.
Just yesterday I was talking to one of the mangers, she was telling me about how they discovered that the neighbor had been using their wireless. I told her "Gee, I hope your neighbor isn't serving child porno over your connection". She didn't think it any big deal at all. After all, she "knows the neighbor and it's not a problem".
I asked her if she knew all of her neighbor's grand children, nieces, nephews, etc. that might download illegal content over her wireless. I told her to check the street from time to time to be sure there wasn't a van out there serving child pornography over her internet connection. I explained to her that she's responsible for what people do on her unsecured connection and she thought that was "totally unfair". Then she blew me off and went to lunch.
My point is, there are going to be an awful lot of people that get kicked off their ISP who's only crime was being stupid about this stuff. Do they deserve it? I don't know and I don't really care except that it looks like rates will go up no matter what happens.
One thing I've noticed in forums like this, being as we're all tech savvy enough to read a forum like this we forget all the IT ignoramuses that things like this are going to affect.
I can't speak for anyone else but the times I have downloaded something I would actually have paid for if I had to pay for it are few and far between. I'd rather go without than pay $20 for a piece of poorly made plastic with some kind of label on it. In the area of software, same goes but usually if I like something well enough to keep it I eventually pay for it. Downloading that stuff has saved me tons of money on crappy code because I can find out if it works and serves my purpose before I decided to financially support the publisher with a purchase.
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| Quote: "The router is set to block all P2P protocols."
Quote: "So no, I have no problem with disconnecting users who haven't taken the trouble to secure their system. If they can't do that, then stick to hard wired clients."
So you don't use P2P anyway, what do you care about this whole topic? Are you the kind of person that thinks everyone should do everything your way? And if they don't then they deserve to be abused? So then what happens when the government sets an even more stringent rule than you can meet, tough luck for you too, huh? People that can't change their own oil shouldn't be allowed to own cars and people that can't fix turbine engines shouldn't benefit from air travel? That attitude has a name and it's been around for a long time, it's called Fascism. I suppose you don't have any problem with Haitians dying because they're stupid enough to be born near a tectonic fault line.
The point here is that the entertainment industry is trying to get everyone else to protect their bottom line and they don't care who they hurt in the process. It would be perfectly OK with them if the whole internet just went away, as long as they still made their money. They've gotten used to making a lot of money in a certain way and they don't want anyone to get even a drop of milk from that cash cow. On top of that, NO ONE IS ACTUALLY TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THEM! Avatar for instance has been on the net since the day it hit the theaters and it's the biggest selling motion picture of all time! This proves that if you produce a good product you'll make money on it, period. If they have to raise their game a little to make money again, that benefits everyone.
The point here is NOT who's tech savvy enough to secure his wireless network. It IS that there is a lot of potential for people that haven't done anything wrong to be punished and that's NOT a good way to do things.
Punishing people because they're not expert in a certain technology, have kids that do sneaky things they don't know about, or just want to be otherwise left alone isn't something you really want to support, unless of course you're Ok with Gestapo's and gulags. One day you're going to wake up in a police state and wonder how the hell you got there and I've got no problem with you being there because you signed up for it. If you don't support other peoples freedoms there won't be anyone left to support yours. | |
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It's like a car gets stolen and used in bank robbery and you arrest the register owner because he forgot to lock the doors. | |
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Again people may simply shift to a solution that makes it difficult to identify who is sharing/downloading files, you already see some server based solutions that reside in other countries outside the US jurisdiction to subpoena.
If isp start monitoring this through DPI or other methods to monitor packets for filename, etc. These servers would likely enable encryption.
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If isp start monitoring this through DPI or other methods to monitor packets for filename, etc. These servers would likely enable encryption.
This was the very reason that spy agencies like MI5 in the UK objected to that country's Digital Economy Bill. Because if the so-called "graduated response" were adopted, people would start encrypting everything, and this would make it harder for them to pick out the terrorist chatter from the p2p traffic. -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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also i do not want my tax or ISP bills wasted on setting up something that wont work and will not benefit me as a customer one bit. to me DOCSIS 3.0 is far far far more important then protecting copyrights. fiber optics is more important then copyrights.
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Our local man Daryl Kramp (conservative) insists that all of this ACTA shit is for our benefit (creating jobs) and that the throttling/UBB drama isn't his issue to comment on... | |
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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| In response to these shady dealings, I will NEVER buy another dvd, cd, blu-ray, newspaper or magazine.
Seriously, big content is feeling all down about themselves because their business model is failing... well then I'll do everything I can to accelerate that death.
I fail to see how terminating net connections around the country for sharing files will drive sales of copyrighted works, since the folks who lose their connections will be more than a little bitter. | |
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Tomorrow's are "lawsuit" and "law being struck down".
Yeah, won't last long. The EFF will file suit the day it passes, with an injunction on enforcement until trial. | |
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1 edit | Re: sounds like traffic light cameras said by jimmyzshack:doesn't matter who was driving it's ur car....ip It does matter.
There are two cameras. One for the license plate, one for the driver.
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The car I drive is owned and insured by my father. I am on their insurance because I am the one who takes my disabled mother around to where she has to go, and I needed to be on their insurance for that. So, it was just easier.
I was driving the car, and ran through one. They mailed the ticket to my father, with the pictures. He went to court, and the pictures showed it was me and not him. Prosecutor dismissed it immediately.
Here's the lesson kids. When you get a ticket, ALWAYS go to court. even if you did it. It will either get dismissed or knocked down. That's happened to me every time I've gotten one. | |
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First of all, nobody except the content owners themselves should be financially responsible for protecting their supposed "rights" under the law. This 3 strikes nonsense is simply a means by which someone else (ISP's, Taxpayers, etc) have to pay to protect their rights.
We are already paying to purchase their products! Why should we also be responsible for protecting their rights? For god sakes, enough is enough.
If the content providers are so concerned about piracy, and their rights, then they have a right not to distribute said content, and keep it to themselves! It's really as simple as that.
It's Business 101 that if your business model is such that you can't make a profit off of it due to whatever reason, piracy, weather, economic conditions, then DON"T DO IT!
These Corporations needs to start taking responsibility for their own decisions to distribute their content digitally, and accept the risks along with the rewards, or take their glorious content and GO HOME!
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 |  birdfeedrPremium,MVM join:2001-08-11 Warwick, RI kudos:5 | Re: Interesting Article The precedent has already been established. Navy patrols off Yemen to foil piracy on the high seas. The US Marines were created to protect shipping interests against the Barbary Coast pirates.
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| Re: Interesting Article The US Marines were not "created to protect shipping interests against the Barbary Coast Pirates". They were created in 1775 at a place called Tun Tavern long before the U.S. had any involvement with the Barbary Coast or it's pirates. The Barbary wars and the famous line "To the shores of Tripoli" in the Marines Hymn wouldn't occur until after the turn of the next century. Being an ex-Marine myself, I feel constrained to point out such inaccuracies. If you're going to cite Corps history, get it right.
»www.usmcpress.com/heritage/usmc_heritage.htm
In addition, according to the Posse Comitatus Act, it's illegal for US Military to function as copyright enforcers so I don't think we need to worry about Seals and Marines attacking us in the middle of the night over some downloaded computer code.
That could be subject to change however. I'm sure the entertainment dicks would love to have that power.
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 Mce SaintPremium join:2007-10-03 Saint Louis, MO | 3 is a magic number?? I'm always amused at the use of "3 strikes."
Why 3 strikes? Why not 5 strikes, 4, 3, 2, or just 1?
What is the logic behind applying a baseball rule to this or any other situation?? | |
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