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Three Strikes Fight Heats Up In France
New law a 'legal monstrosity,' say consumer advocates...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 11-Mar-2009 tags: legal · Fileswapping · business · world
France is moving forward with their plans for a new law that would force ISPs to boot users, if they're identified by the entertainment industry as having transmitted pirated P2P content three times (aka "three strikes"). With the new law up for debate this week, consumer advocates are ratcheting up their resistence to the proposal, calling it everything from a "legal monstrosity," to an "assault on public and individual liberties." In exchange for the new law, the entertainment industry has promised to eliminate DRM from most of their content offerings.

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tubbynet
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does every political system live in a vacuum...?

can the whole australia debacle be used as evidence that this *doesn't* work when you try to have the isp's play content cops?

edited to reflect the fact that i used commas in my title rather than periods to denote ellipses. epich phail.

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Re: does every political system live in a vacuum,,,?

Yes I agree, this will never work and it will only further decentralize p2p making it harder to track.

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Re: does every political system live in a vacuum,,,?

Or maybe they should just give up on being crooks? Laissez faire no more.
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Re: does every political system live in a vacuum,,,?

said by ninjatutle:

Or maybe they should just give up on being crooks? Laissez faire no more.
For once, I agree with you. The entertainment industry should stop being crooks.

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Re: does every political system live in a vacuum,,,?

said by TheWickerMan:

said by ninjatutle:

Or maybe they should just give up on being crooks? Laissez faire no more.
For once, I agree with you. The entertainment industry should stop being crooks.
Uh, I don't think he was talking about the entertainment industry.

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Re: does every political system live in a vacuum,,,?

said by digitalfreak:

Uh, I don't think he was talking about the entertainment industry.
Who is he talking about then? The politicians? Oh how original! Calling politicians crooks!
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said by digitalfreak:

said by TheWickerMan:

said by ninjatutle:

Or maybe they should just give up on being crooks? Laissez faire no more.
For once, I agree with you. The entertainment industry should stop being crooks.
Uh, I don't think he was talking about the entertainment industry.
I'm aware of that. I was being a smartass.

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Re: does every political system live in a vacuum,,,?

You have failed son.

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Re: does every political system live in a vacuum,,,?

said by ninjatutle:

You have failed son.
At what, exactly?

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hmmmm....

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Re: hmmmm....

said by woody7:

Vieve La France!!
You meant Vive didn't you?
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said by DownTheShore:

said by woody7:

Vieve La France!!
You meant Vive didn't you?
I love when people mess up like that! Immortalized in the quote!
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Its a double wedged sword...

you make mpaa,riaa happy at the same time you upset many ppl as well

if isp loses too many customer isp will go out of business

mpaa,riaa need to provide their own broadband if they wanna play cops but many who don't like them will not sign up anyway due to their shady business practice

mpaa=riaa, owned and run by the same elite ruling family

The entertainment Nazi is trying to squeeze as much profit out of the consumer as possible by using any mean possible to stop others from sharing video

They are a bunch of bully who behave exactly like a mafia who uses bully tactics, use of threats and strict rules that are for their own benefit. This is clearly an assault on our freedom. To them, its business as usual by making everything super expensive and hard to sample their content. Why would someone buy it if they knew their product sucks? That's what they are trying to hide from the public.

Many of us will not put up with that. fail.
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Re: Its a double wedged sword...

+1 the "aa"s need to zip it and make their own ISP. and it did not work in last in Australia. Maybe the rest of the world just needs to see it don't work. OR the aas need to provide their own free videos. Would youtube and veoh count in the 3 strikes thing, I know the both have shady vids.

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Amazing How The French...

...still haven't learned their lesson after the Dreyfus Affair. To subjugate their legal system to a third party with a vested interest...

J'accuse. J'accuse. J'accuse.
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Backing by artist's unions make this likely to become law

Unions hold a lot of power in France, as opposed to the US. With both industry management & union support for a 3 strikes law and support of Sarkozy, this 3 strikes law has a high possibility of being implemented.
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Re: Backing by artist's unions make this likely to become law

Really? Unions don't hold much power in the US? Then why are the Democrats constantly trying to get the union vote every election cycle?

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Re: Backing by artist's unions make this likely to become law

said by matrix3D:

Really? Unions don't hold much power in the US? Then why are the Democrats constantly trying to get the union vote every election cycle?
Because in a fixed 2 party system like we have in this country, you win national election by less than 5% usually... THIS is why unions and other minority groups become "important."
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quote:
In exchange for the new law, the entertainment industry has promised to eliminate DRM from most of their content offerings.
France does not live in a vacuum. If the content aggregators do not remove DRM independent of any new law, French citizens will get what they want elsewhere. They aren't going to get very far offering to remove something that isn't sustainable anyway.

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This is the country that legislates analog output on ipods.

This is the country where you cannot release a player that outputs more than X power at Y ohms, completely oblivious to the fact that different headphones have different sensitivity ratings. So one pair might still be able to make you deaf, while an upper end set of grados or beyers will sound like trash.

Who expects smart legislation in France?
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