said by Shark_615 :

No they can't why don't you research the issue before you post bullshit?

said by st7860 :

teksavvy rents and resells bell facilities. if they choose to do so they could put their own equipment into bell's offices and the only bell facilities they need to 'rent' are the actual lines to the customers home or office. AND, if they had chosen to do it that way, there wouldn't be this fuss about throttling. bell can't throttle them if they were using their own leased lines instead of what amounts to buying in bulk from 'costco' and selling it retail.

Teksavvy is just like those companies that buy airtime off of Rogers Wireless and puts their name on it. Those companies don't own anything except a customer support/billing mechanism and so they are subject to the whims of their supplier, just like Teksavvy is subject to the whims of Bell. most people don't realise that Teksavvy is just a reseller of Bell services, and has only their own customer support, billing, mail servers, and so on.

that is why, especially in Ontario, switching ADSL companies is so easy, because most of them are tiny companies that rent bell service and resell it.

said by Sempronius :

st7860 is correct on all points made. If Primus Canada can set up their own DSLAM in Bell's CO so can TekSavvy and other companies. St7860 has duly indicated, TekSavvy has chosen only to rent lines and resell Bell's products, whereas, Primus Canada is a separate entity from Bell Canada altogether and sells their own services, not reselling Bell Canada's services.

said by S_engineer :

Just how much in the tank for Bell Canada is the CRTC?
I don't know

said by zalternate :

When the CRTC is taking more than a week to declare that they have not decided, means they are waiting for more donations bribes from Bell.

said by st7860 :

Rocky is just a person who likes to whine about Bell when he could easily under Canadian Regulations, co-locate his own equipment in a bell office if he chose to, then he would be able to avoid any throttling, but no, he prefers to whine in the news instead.

said by ReDSpideR :

just thought id post this video here as to why some people would say you re-sell your stuff Rocky.

You where on the news about it, here you are lol. so famous hah:

(youtube clip)
they literally say "reselling" about Rocky and his company.

said by ReDSpideR :

Take a chill pill Rocky, i wasnt twisting your words i was defending you if you didn't notice. I was showing a reason as to why people say you resell.

said by st7860 :

Rocky is just a person who likes to whine about Bell when he could easily under Canadian Regulations, co-locate his own equipment in a bell office if he chose to, then he would be able to avoid any throttling, but no, he prefers to whine in the news instead.

said by st7860 :

teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem

said by st7860 :

teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem

said by st7860 :

teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem. they choose to re-sell bell services instead of putting their own equipment in. i'm right.

said by st7860 :

Do you or do you not actually rent copper from bell at around $7 per month per customer and use your own equipment? or do you re-sell their virtual private ADSL services?

said by gurn :

Rocky does your company write a cheque to bell regularly? You guys are arguing about the definition of re-sale. Rogers is a re-sale of bell on the landline service, do they like it worded that way no, but Rogers cuts a cheque to Bell to use those telephone poles/lines etc. Bell also handles 411 for all phone companies in canada. So all companys re-sale bells 411?

Its a stupid argument that goes on and on. Bell's lines were put up with government help. Now that monopoly is over and we have competition. Bell hasn't invested in upgrades in almost 10 years, and its starting to show. Now they either need to throttle or they are lies and trying to stop the customer bleed. That's what the court case is about, that's what this post is about.

Arguing over what a resale is or isn't is just...pointless.

said by Blago :

Listen guys, we all hate Bell for throttling their broadband (and Rogers for doing it way before Bell), there's no dispute there.

But the simple fact of the matter is that it's their equipment and they can do whatever the hell they want with it. I don't like it, I hate it, but I understand it. Teksavvy simply rents that equipment. It's as simple as that. Unlike Primus and Sprint who spent the time and money to install their own equipment in Bell's COs and can do whatever they please with it.

Some guy said that Bell hasn't upgraded the network in 10 years? HAHA Bell is consistently installing stingers in all of the phone boxes around the city. That's how they can now offer 16Mbit/s connections to people, it's pretty simple.

Personally, I hope that the CRTC rules in favour of the wholesalers so that they can sell unthrottled DSL to customers, but I don't think it's going to happen as long as they are on Bell's equipment.