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Chris 313
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Gizmodo is hilarious!

But they do have a point. ISPs want as much of your money per month as they can get, so they'll steer you toward the fastest and most expensive speed they can.

But like it says, you have to know your own browsing habits before you can pick a speed.

For me it's speed and price. And since I'm Comcast, it's 22/5 for 67.95 a month. I could go for the 50/10, but not without giving up a few other things I like doing.

Nicely put together article and they do make a good point.
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Re: Gizmodo is hilarious!

The article is only comparing speeds to uses. Which isnt the limit.

The real limit is the caps.

If your cap is 5 gigs. You sure as hell cant be streaming radio all month.

It's sad the competition sucks so bad in north america that hidden costs really are the limits between packages.
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Re: Gizmodo is hilarious!

i could never survive on 5gb, i think between Ventrilo and WoW(patches not included) i move more then that. add on other people in the house and then my own usage of Hulu or other similar sites. and the fact that even ISP video portals cannot exempt themselves from their own Caps because the Net Neutrality people would go running to the FCC.
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Re: Gizmodo is hilarious!

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You think 5gb cap is low?

For $40 a month. You get 1.5mbit and 400megs a month. Then 153$ per gig after that.

Sadly that's what australia is like. The cost per megabyte for australia really is outrageous.

The sad thing is... there's so little competition in north america. They'd pretty much get away with this.

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MS Security Essentials

Should ship with and on by default on all Windows consumer desktops (just giving advanced users the ability to disable like UAC). It would go miles toward defeating botnets and other baddies.
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Re: MS Security Essentials

would hopefully save internet tech support time too for real ISP problems and not CPE software problems. soon as a customer gets a virus they dont call the OEM or or goto the yellow pages for a computer repair shop.

they call their cable or dsl/fiber provider because well it came from the internet so clearly the ISP is at fault. and yes i have gotten that call many times, they think the virus came from the cable modem, and not their kid clicking yes to every popup from facebook ads.
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The issue with these things you would think would be good idea; would actually be very bad for microsoft.

With an antivirus added only. The performance baseline of windows would be worse off. The same thing can be said for practically anything else you might consider adding.

Windows guys there have gone to great lengths to implement a system that masks their poor performance. MS aero theme there which glides windows in and out slowly. Gives the application the added 2 seconds worth to catch up. Nicely this effect has a masking effect on other things which by nature are delayed. Like the internet. To get to your homepage. You need to make that dns query which can take half a second itself.

Furthermore. What do you think will be the effect of the antivirus market when they start bundling theirs with windows by default? I have a feeling a large degree of lost revenues for the mcafees and nortons. Who then use their established capital to start their netscape/mozilla style anti-trust lawsuit headed by the us gov or EU.

Hey a norton going completely open source would be awesome though truly

PS, UAC can be disabled.

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Re: MS Security Essentials

Security issues are far worse for Microsoft's reputation than any performance hit.
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The problem is that if they did that the security companies would sue Microsoft to pieces due to "antitrust issues" despite the fact that MS is just fixing what's broken with their product, at least in effect.

The big AV companies are scared stiff of MS's entry into the home security market since MS could easily edge out Norton and McAFee just by including their software as standard on new installs of Windows 7, OEM or not. Great for harried tech support reps, horrible for the AV industry. Despite the fact that AV providers have branched out into security suites anyway (they make more money and aren't offered for free by anyone really).

I still prefer AVG over MSSE, though this preference was only renewed after I tested out 9.0, which is to previous versions as Norton 2010 is to previous versions of that suite.

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I agree with giving MSSE with every computer and giving advanced users the ability to remove it. What I don't agree with is disabling UAC.

I'm an advanced user, I know what I am doing. I know my computer inside and outside. I know the purpose of every single process that is running on my computer and the purpose of every single startup entry as well. But do I disable UAC? Nope. Because every single network Administrator and Linux user would tell you is to not run as ROOT and disabling UAC is doing just that.
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Z80A
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Re: MS Security Essentials

You still have to be able to disable it as some software is not compatible (like my R6V2 on Steam...won't start with UAC enabled).

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Re: MS Security Essentials

said by Z80A:

like my R6V2 on Steam...won't start with UAC enabled
They have had more than enough time to patch that game to work with UAC.

And besides, have you tried running it in Administrator mode with compatibility modes set? You can do this by going into the shortcut properties.
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Z80A
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Re: MS Security Essentials

Doesn't matter how much time they have had...it's Windows software, you can't expect it to just work like it is supposed to.

And yes, I've tried everything...UAC is the problem and turning it off is the fix.

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I don't agree with disabling UAC is the same as running a root or as an administrator.

Just because UAC provides an extra step to do something doesn't mean it's not a root or an administrator account. This is because it will still allow the action to be done. A non-root or non-administrative account will have restrictions on it based on security settings set by the administrator and can only be changed by the administrator. UAC will provide a choice regardless of account. A non-root or non-administrative account won't give the choice at all.
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Re: MS Security Essentials

Yes, I know that having UAC enabled doesn't mean that you're not running as root, it just means that if you don't respond to the UAC prompt or you say no, the action will not take place. If the action doesn't take place then you're fine.

But if you have UAC disabled whatever action just ran roughshod over your computer and you were none the wiser.
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said by Z80A:

Should ship with and on by default on all Windows consumer desktops (just giving advanced users the ability to disable like UAC). It would go miles toward defeating botnets and other baddies.
I agree. I doubt they could, as their competitors would scream to the Justice Department about anti-competitive behavior.

Regardless, I had a few issues with it which for now caused me to revert to the corporate Forefront client. I hope they resolve the issues as the progress, as I think it's a great idea.
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Who Cares about speed - lets play the speed capacity game

ok here we go
This will tell us your intelligence quotient
WHICH would you rather have :

A) 1 megabit unlimited costing 30$
B) 1 megabit 100 GB cap costing 25$
C) 5 megabit with 60 GB cap costing 55$
D) 5 megabit with 300GB cap costing 80$

Remember its about what you can get not how fast you get there ....
AND if you answered A) you win.
Why
because with 2 , 1 megabit unlimited accounts you can out do D) cheaper
A) does more then B) and C), and B does less then half.

Hope this was fun for you all. AND once you understand it. THEY cant fool you with there misleading advertising and lies again.

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Re: Who Cares about speed - lets play the speed capacity game

said by chronoss2009:

ok here we go
This will tell us your intelligence quotient
WHICH would you rather have :

A) 1 megabit unlimited costing 30$
B) 1 megabit 100 GB cap costing 25$
C) 5 megabit with 60 GB cap costing 55$
D) 5 megabit with 300GB cap costing 80$

Remember its about what you can get not how fast you get there ....
AND if you answered A) you win.
Why
because with 2 , 1 megabit unlimited accounts you can out do D) cheaper
A) does more then B) and C), and B does less then half.

Hope this was fun for you all. AND once you understand it. THEY cant fool you with there misleading advertising and lies again.
E) 12/2 with a 250GB cap costing me $42.95USD per month. Oh wait that's what I'm paying now.
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Every ISP is trying to scare you...

Yeah! While at the same time capping you and complaining about the non-existant 'exaflood' that's always about to happen!

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Re: Every ISP is trying to scare you...

said by qworster:

Yeah! While at the same time capping you and complaining about the non-existant 'exaflood' that's always about to happen!
     I also thought that article was both funny, and not funny at the same time.  I wonder how many people get affected by that.

     Despite that advertising, I can tell you that while I didn't enjoy it that much, I was able to use YouTube (this was before they offered HD Video anyway) on a connection with 1.5Mbps of download.

     In fact, if a household does nothing but e-mail and simple web browsing (no YouTube or anything), I don't see why 1.5Mbps wouldn't be enough for several people.  Though granted, I can't imagine that situation coming up that often anymore.

     One could even use YouTube with dial-up (something I've actually tried before).  It's not fun, and you must wait for the entire video to download, but it can be done.

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Every ISP Is Trying to Scare You?

Oh bullshit. Not that there are not ISPs out there trying to do that but EVERY ISP? Come on..
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Anti Virus

Microsoft scored 190 and Avast 188. AVG did 164.

I hardly think the two point difference between M$ and Avast makes my changing worthwhile.

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AT&T stops selling iPhone in NYC

»consumerist.com/2009/12/att-cust···one.html
AT&T has apparently found a workable solution to the reported data congestion in New York City. They've quietly stopped selling the iPhone to customers in the New York metropolitan area, at least from their web site.

I went to the AT&T site to verify what Stephen said. Sure enough, the iPhone was available to zip codes in San Francisco and other major cities. It was not available to purchase for people living anywhere in New York City, or any of the suburban zip codes in Westchester County or northern New Jersey that I tried. Was it a web site bug? I hopped online with a customer service chat rep to check.

quote:
Daphne: Welcome to AT&T online Sales support. How may I assist you with placing your order today?

Laura: Hi, I was looking at the iPhone 3Gs and the system tells me that I cannot order one in my ZIP code. My zip code is 11231. (Brooklyn, NY) Is this true? Are iPhones no longer available in New York City?

Daphne: I am happy to be helping you today . Yes, this is correct the phone is not offered to you because New York is not ready for the iPhone.

Daphne: You don't have enough towers to handle the phone.

Laura: Thank you for your help. So the phone is not available to people anywhere in the city?

Daphne: Yes this is correct Laura.

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