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bugabuga

join:2004-06-10
Austin, TX

Time Warner just won't quit

Will it? If I'm calculating it correctly they're going to give 20 GB of data per month another go. Or, in the worst case scenario, less than 3GB ("lowest quality" stream)

Lovely.

- Netflix: screwed
- Online backups: cost more in data transfer than a new hard drive
- Apple's Online Store: 40-100% of your monthly data cap
- Steam download 40%
- Chromebook from Google - a-ha-ha-ha, also dinged by the cap.
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ZeddicusToo

@verizon.net

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

...because no matter how much or how often you pay for something, they'll always want you to pay more and again. Stealing service from you that you've already paid for isn't enough for them... they'll want to double- and triple-bill you to death, too.

poopiepants

join:2003-10-04
King, NC
kudos:1

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

Yet people happily accept it and nothing is done about it.

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

said by poopiepants:

Yet people happily accept it and nothing is done about it.

Exactly. For all the bitching and moaning that went on when AT&T rolled out their capped service with overage charges, far too many of the complainers did absolutely nothing but eat it. So why shouldn't Time Warner jump on the cash cow too.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

and i've been saying that for years! they'll bitch and bitch and say they're leaving but yet NEVER do. And its only a matter of time until the Big Red does it as well. TWC will have it, T already does, and Comcast has a 250gig cap. VZ will add theirs and be done with it.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2
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Some AT&T people switched to TWC, the only other provider in their area, when AT&T pulled the cap crap. Now TWC is doing it too, and much of their footprint overlaps AT&T's. The result: nowhere to turn.

Of course, if TWC does this in a big enough city, competitors can come in and offer better plans than TWC on the basis of cap alone. Which means that TWC may target this to areas which have less competitive pressure (e.g. AT&T DSL/UVerse with expensive dedicated bandwidth)...
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
said by poopiepants:

Yet people happily accept it and nothing is done about it.

Actually, we look forward to it.

Last year when they announced the possibility, the unwashed masses shouted them down before a civil discussion could even take place.

The result? 30% of their customer base continues to pay over twice what they would under UBB.

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

said by elray:

The result? 30% of their customer base continues to pay over twice what they would under UBB.

Exactly how much did AT&T's rates drop when they rolled out theirs? How about Comcast?

The argument that UBB is a good thing because it will mean people who use less will pay less has PROVEN to be complete bull shit. People who use less will continue to pay exactly what they are paying now. (until rates go up again in 6 months)
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

Of course, lots of people forget that under UBB you will not drop down to $8/mo line fee and then get billed a "reasonable" rate per unit like Electric.

They miss the fact they will still be getting charged 40+/mo and then a few dollars per gig over their tiny cap.

and things will only get worse because ISPs are also cable companies and as such they have their video business to protect.
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
00000
said by Camelot One:

said by elray:

The result? 30% of their customer base continues to pay over twice what they would under UBB.

Exactly how much did AT&T's rates drop when they rolled out theirs? How about Comcast?

The argument that UBB is a good thing because it will mean people who use less will pay less has PROVEN to be complete bull shit. People who use less will continue to pay exactly what they are paying now. (until rates go up again in 6 months)

100 % spot on.

The idea that it will ever get cheaper is laughable at best.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

said by DataRiker:

said by Camelot One:

said by elray:

The result? 30% of their customer base continues to pay over twice what they would under UBB.

Exactly how much did AT&T's rates drop when they rolled out theirs? How about Comcast?

The argument that UBB is a good thing because it will mean people who use less will pay less has PROVEN to be complete bull shit. People who use less will continue to pay exactly what they are paying now. (until rates go up again in 6 months)

100 % spot on.

The idea that it will ever get cheaper is laughable at best.

TWC's proposed UBB rates, last year, started at $15/month.
Unfortunately, the angry mob won without bothering to hear the detail.

AT&T's wireless rates DID drop, substantially, with the introduction of UBB for the iPhone. We've seen similar rate reductions amongst the other carriers - both at the entry-level price point for data, and the per-GB rates charged to higher volume subscribers. You and I might agree they're still high, but they have been slashed from prior years, in most cases.

The effects of AT&T's DSL and UVerse metering have yet to be determined - it would appear that, as usual, their implementation is so incompetent, that they'll GIVE UP on metering, and return to other forms of "network management", and charge more for basic access.

Comcast wisely set the bar high, so as not to give fodder to the "stop the cap" crowd. The very few of you who manage to exceed their generous allotment will have a hard time pleading your case - but its worth a shot. I'm sure cable execs can be convinced to nudge their caps gradually upward, i.e. from 250 to 300 to 350, in order to keep the "hog" count down.

ZeddicusToo

@verizon.net

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

Caps, whether speed or usage, are not "management" tools; they're PR tools. The ISP wants you to think you're getting more by paying more. Network infrastructure costs money; using network infrastructure costs the ISP nothing extra. It costs the ISP a relatively fixed amount to establish service for a customer, but it costs the ISP nothing extra for whatever amount of "usage" a customer has. Network maintenance is already built-in to the current monthly fee. There will never be true "UBB"; an ISP will always create a formula to use which provides it with some "acceptable" [for it and its "investors"] minimum dollar amount from every customer no matter how much the customer uses. So-called "value" or "economy" accounts will be more like the old dial-up access speeds... 'cause, you know, those customers don't really need broadband anyway, now do they(?).
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
and they already have a soft cap that they do not disclose in their contract. And talk about Google's Chrome book; their 3G access only gives you 5gigs per month so talk about being screwed even by Google! otherwise its $50 per month in buckets of transfer.

By the way- you pay for access to their network not to the Internet. And once they launch their network with a cap, and since T has already done; VZ will be the next to move.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

Neener, neener! They're doing it too!

Yes, and all of them suck!
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2
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???

Google GIVES 100MB (okay, Verizon does) with each Chromebook...per month...for free. Otherwise rates are identical to internet tablet rates per GB, which is to say better than standard aircard rates.

Plus you can still use your Chromebook on WiFi. Trust me. I've owned one for several months now.
bugabuga

join:2004-06-10
Austin, TX

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

Are you sure 100MB is enough?
I mean a single photo attachment is a few megs right there, plus it's always supposed to be connected, or you don't have access to anything
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2
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·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast

Re: Time Warner just won't quit

Keep in mind one thing: they're giving you the 100MB.

For light surfing away from WiFi, it is enough. Depending on how long you're away from WiFi for.

For anything else, pony up $20+ and get a non-recurring month-long data pass. The system actually works quite well on my Cr48.

anon6

@comcast.net

hmm

I just wanna know why usage matters so much? Why pay for something that your not supposed to use a lot? Doesn't make any sense.

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