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by Revcb 07:25PM Thursday May 31 2012

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FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

Google crosses to dark side - must pay to be in searches

Google did what it once promised never to do - make merchants PAY to be included in Google Product Search(now called Google Shopping).

»marketingland.com/once-deemed-ev···on-13138

Once Deemed Evil, Google Now Embraces “Paid Inclusion”.

Indeed, paid inclusion was one of the original sins Google listed as part of its “Don’t Be Evil” creed. But these days, Google seems comfortable with paid inclusion, raising potential concerns for publishers and searchers alike.

Google was the main holdout among the major search engines. Back in 2001, when paid inclusion programs were growing in popularity, it told me:

We have no plans for a paid inclusion program. As we’ve stated in the past, our search results represent our editorial integrity, and we have no plans to alter our automated process, which works very well in gathering information and delivering highly relevant results.

When Google went public in 2004, the Founders Letter that was part of its IPO filing specifically named paid inclusion as a practice that should be shunned, saying under the “Don’t Be Evil” section:

Google users trust our systems to help them with important decisions: medical, financial and many others. Our search results are the best we know how to produce. They are unbiased and objective, and we do not accept payment for them or for inclusion or more frequent updating.

Having previously declared paid inclusion to be evil, can it really be that Google is doing it now? Yes, though Google’s not been using that name, and it also really didn’t become apparent until last month.

Postscript: Google Product Search To Become Google Shopping, Use Pay-To-Play Model on our sister-site Search Engine Land covers how Google is now shifting its shopping search engine to a pure paid inclusion model. It’s the first time Google’s changed a service that had free listings to being exclusively paid.
»searchengineland.com/google-prod···l-122959


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

Re: Google crosses to dark side - must pay to be in searches

Yes, and this is at the same time they are making noise about no longer supporting the "Open Network" principle on their fiber build.

The signs are there that the love of money are starting to corrupt the corporation, as always happens as organization grow. Ethics, morals, principles, all are swept aside by the pursuit of money and power.

It's sad to watch it happen as the spiral begins.
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davidhoffman
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join:2009-11-19
Warner Robins, GA
kudos:2

AT&T mulls upgrade to rural lines.

Those AT&T rural customers who are on dial-up with no cable service available would have gladly paid the regular AT&T DSL charges. AT&T should have built out the DSL network a decade ago. Maybe Stephenson is seeing the Exede satellite internet service and the future upgrades to HughesNet satellite internet service as possibly getting profits AT&T should get. I know that the dial-up rural residents of Monroe County, GA would be ecstatic to get 6.0 Mbps AT&T DSL, even with the ridiculously low 150GB monthly cap. I would hope that by the time AT&T deploys these IP-DSLAMS that the monthly cap would have been increased to at least 450GB. 750GB would be even better. Maybe AT&T could change its policies on DSL and add another speed tier of 12Mbps download/1.5Mbps upload in areas where it can be supported. The existing ADSL2+ modems can theoretically support up to 24Mbps download/3.5Mbps upload, so offering a 12Mbps down/1.5Mbps up tier should not require much work on AT&T's part.

Duramax08
To The Moon
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join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX

AT&T upgrading rural lines to DSL?

Hahahahaha, good one. Ive been waiting more then half a decade for DSL. After all those false hopes from AT&T and 4 DSL orders, got nothing. Its gona have to be a cold day in hell before I see DSL from AT&T.

CaptainRR
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join:2006-04-21
Blue Rock, OH
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·Verizon Wireless..

Re: AT&T upgrading rural lines to DSL?

I have been waiting for over a decade! As far as I am concerned the T-mo buyout wouldn't have made a difference for me neither one of them have cell service in my area. Just got VZW last year with a tower in our township. We have been talking about these things for over a couple of years now, If they ever made the RT's DSL live around here there is a pile of rural people that would buy it!

gigahurtz
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join:2001-10-20
Palm Coast, FL
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·Bright House

Netflix app upgrade much needed!

A friend of mine just recently got hit with major overages on their AT&T account due to Netflix streaming app. They watch a ton of movies and apparently got disconnected from their wifi connection while watching them. They ended up watching many movies on 3G. By the time they got their notifications about being near their limit, they had already gone over quite a bit (a delay in AT&T's notifications).

Metatron2008
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join:2008-09-02
united state

It'll be a half working band aid.

Just like at&t. Notice your customers are being taken, 'fix' the issue by making a half assed band aid.
amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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·Cox HSI
·KCH Cable

From the dept. of "DUH" -AT&T

Hmm, let's see... my parents would have bought into DSL YEARS ago, had it been where they moved to. They still might, but not sure how much longer they'll be there. Chances are, if/when they do move, the next residents would be interested in internet access that isn't dial-up

There is fiber very nearby. There is DSL not too far away. Can't be that difficult/costly to do...

Hell, there are entire small towns where they won't bother with. Some have Wildblue dishes... you think those people might be better served by DSL? Smaller, seemingly more agile companies seem to think it's worth the risk (and thus, reward of the opportunity to serve people with something they want/need).

Just kind of astounding that they're just now starting to think about this in an era where cable speeds are already very fast, FiOS is going to be absurd, and Google is giving KC the red carpet treatment.
Bring it on. Anything is better than dial-up or wireless with small caps for "home use." Even 3-6Mbps is certainly usable. 12+ would be a good goal for what they strive for. Just start the projects - there's no good reason to be lazy about this and deprive people any longer. There is also certainly some decent work to be had for people who help make it happen... win-win-win...

linicx
Caveat Emptor
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United State
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·TracFone Wireless
·CenturyLink

Shocking AT&T

I think it nervy of AT&T to call rural America "underperforming" when it's been greatly ignored by the telco giant for 50 years. Not only is it ignored, AT&T deliberately blocked competition in OK for 15 years that I can remember. The thuggery was nothing except hollow promises. Thus there are areas 10 miles from a State capitol that still has dial up, and a large swath of I-44 between St. Louis and the TX/OK border that has little or no AT&T cell service on 1-44 or !-40.

AT&T has long been noted for cherry picking the cities where its copper already exists. And AT&T Cingular pre-paid phone service does not roam. Don't expect pre-paid service between St. Louis and Rolla, MO or St. Louis and Springfield, IL . In fact don't expect much service between St. Louis and Chicago because it is primarily corn, beans, I-55, and CDMA towers.

The sad fact is all telco service in rural America, from coast to coast is very over priced and generally lousy. One small telco sells cable bundled with BB; 10/2 Mbps is an additional $100. Another telco sells bundled DSL, 10/256Mbps with unlimited phone for $90. These prices are no less than ridiculous when a Dallas suburb has FTTH or FIOS 20/20 for $25. This is common treatment by AT&T from the TX/OK border to the southernmost edge of Chicago.
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