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by Revcb 07:08PM Thursday May 23 2013

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FFH5
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Re: U.S. the leader on broadband

David Cohen, exec VP of Comcast, makes a good case for the US being a broadband leader, and not the laggard often portrayed by some activists for a gov't run and subsidized Internet.
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ArrayList
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Re: U.S. the leader on broadband

what a load of shit.
CXM_Splicer
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Re: U.S. the leader on broadband

Agreed. BUT we are certainly the world leader in taking credit and patting ourselves on the back for things we haven't actually accomplished.

KrK
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89% of the statistics he quoted are only 66% accurate and within the 17% margin of error 23% of the time, as long as the sample is 95% respective of the average demographic, which 42% of the time appears to fall outside tolerances.
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KrK
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"Eighty-two percent of U.S. homes have access to speeds in excess of 100 megabits per second (mbps)"

Utter horse manure.
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Re: U.S. the leader on broadband

said by KrK:

"Eighty-two percent of U.S. homes have access to speeds in excess of 100 megabits per second (mbps)"

Utter horse manure.

"Have access to" is not the same as "can afford access to". Technically speaking, he is correct. Most major, and even minor citys do have some sort of 100mbps service, but the problem is affordability. These are usually business geared services, that could potentially run thousands per month. What he doesn't say, is that while these speeds are there, people cannot afford them. Google fiber is affordable, and should really spell the end of the line for DSL like speeds, but since its such a limited area, unless your area is slated to get it, the ISPs just don't care. I pay 240 per month now for internet and cable. I would happily pay less, if there were any choices in my area. Sadly, I have either Charter, Centurylink, or AirFiber(local WISP). Airfiber, while offering symmetrical plans, is incredibly expensive, and they need to mount a directional antenna on your building that has LOS to one of their towers. This does not work in an apartment building. Centurylink can barely get above 3mbps in my area, and for that same price, I can get charters ultra100 tier of service. They do not compete on "price", and lately, they have not even competed on services, since all their Basic and expanded services have the same exact channels, there really isnt a choice. I wish google would have chosen up here, but they didnt, so now we are stuck waiting for something that will never come.

KrK
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Re: U.S. the leader on broadband

Oh, you mean I could get an OC3 installed at my home for $20k a month. Yeah, I guess I DO have access!

I certainly can't get it from Cox HSI or at&t U-Verse even on their most expensive plans. A T3 would still be too slow but I could get an OC3.... as long as I paid them to build it, so $20k a month plus who knows how many umpteen $$$ in installation.

I don't even think he's "technically" correct.

KrK
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Ah, that's some of at&t's "Innovation in wireless pricing&q

... the "Innovations" they were just boasting about. Below the line ripoff fees. So innovative and a shining example of American capitalism...... at it's worst.
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linicx
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Broadband leader?

I don't have access to any accurate figure. Let's take my county for an example. It is an AG state with 15.000 residents, three communities under 3000 and at least a dozen of 200-500 residents.

I am aware of one incorporated community of about 20 residents that have no phone, no cell, no cable and no internet.

The balance of the businesses and residents throughout have a speed between 10/1 and dial up. This is not unusual in rural America. My state has 101 counties, and not more than a dozen communities with over 50,000 population in a state with 13M people. The rest of the state outside of the dozen cities looks a lot like my county.

Of the people in my county that have been quietly switched from POTS to DSL over copper we are in the same boat. WE are paying high prices for lousy phone service from a company who doesn't care two bytes whether it works in an emergency or not.

In the recent 70 year flood, the city offices, the city fire and police, the county sheriff, the county fire department, the county court house, the lawyers, the doctors, all state and county offices, local college, half of the businesses, the nursing home and the hospital were without their DSL over copper phones. Cell phones worked just fine. POTS was never out during a flood or snow storms because both are common. WE might be without power, we might be in a white out, a flood, or dense fog, but 4 things were always certain. The phone, 911, death, and taxes.

Now it is only three! We are not alone in this battle.
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These fees should be completely illegal

The supermarket does not tack on a fee for its electric bill, paying the cashier, paying the deli guy that sliced your meat, paying for the gas used in the bakery's ovens. No all of that is already in the price of the goods you are buying.

We need a regulatory crackdown on all service providers to require them to include fees in the advertised price. The sole reason they do not include them is to advertise wireless service for $50/mo when it reality you end up paying $90
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Re: These fees should be completely illegal

What you are experiencing is amplification of money. The telecommunications industry has learned that by buying off lawmakers with small payoffs (measured in millions of dollars), lawmakers will write laws allowing the telecommunications industry to rob customers blind (measured in billions of dollars). If you watched the congressional hearings today regarding Apple's tax avoidance maneuvers, lawmakers were pushing each other out of the way to get the first turn kissing Apple's CEO's ASS. They all made the same incomplete sentences. "We love Apple." The complete sentence is "We love Apple's huge contributions to our campaign's funds, to buy us off." Lawmakers know that if they criticize Apple they might get "PRIMARIED".
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Re: These fees should be completely illegal

Of course... I mean my idea is wishful thinking..

I know full well this is the theme song of American Government.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8lhnrCDU4Q


Who knew a plucky* rock and roll band from Australia would hit the nail on the head all those years ago about how things work for real.

(*Yes I know AC/DC is a multi-platinum icon of classic rock that makes anybody want to bust out their air guitars.)
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88615298
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said by Kearnstd:

The supermarket does not tack on a fee for its electric bill, paying the cashier, paying the deli guy that sliced your meat, paying for the gas used in the bakery's ovens. No all of that is already in the price of the goods you are buying.

Ok so then if they just simply raise the price of service then it's totally cool? Because that is what will happen. The scenario where these fees are banned and they maintain the same pricing does not exist and it's naïve to think so.

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Re: These fees should be completely illegal

said by 88615298:

said by Kearnstd:

The supermarket does not tack on a fee for its electric bill, paying the cashier, paying the deli guy that sliced your meat, paying for the gas used in the bakery's ovens. No all of that is already in the price of the goods you are buying.

Ok so then if they just simply raise the price of service then it's totally cool? Because that is what will happen. The scenario where these fees are banned and they maintain the same pricing does not exist and it's naïve to think so.

If they raised the price of service, users could break their contract. They tack on fees like this to avoid the threshold that is needed to do so.
Kearnstd
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wouldnt simply charging more at the start and not having extra fees make more sense?

If the final monthly cost is going to be say $85/mo why not tell people that? Rather than advertising $55mo and tacking on 30 bucks in imaginary costs.
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gigahurtz
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Re: These fees should be completely illegal

I can understand the taxes as they vary based on city, state, etc. What bothers me is the misrepresentation of these fees. It's really a disappointment.
Rekrul

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Milford, CT
said by 88615298:

Ok so then if they just simply raise the price of service then it's totally cool? Because that is what will happen. The scenario where these fees are banned and they maintain the same pricing does not exist and it's naïve to think so.

Yes. Users would know from the start what they'll be paying. If the price is too high, people won't pay, their business will drop and they'll be forced to lower their fees.
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Re: These fees should be completely illegal

Those of us who have gone prepaid KNOW what we will be paying, because we pay it, and get charged our taxes, and thats it. I pay 48.95 per month for phone service(ST). I don't get hidden fees, over charges, extra charges, late charges, anything. I know what I pay, and its set. postpaid is a joke now, because if this kind of crap were to move to prepaid, it wouldn't work. Its only when you pay at the end of the month can they do this, because you are not paying upfront, you are paying behind, and they can basically add on whatever they want. If you pay up front, you know what the price is for that month, because its already paid.

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Re: These fees should be completely illegal

said by Chubbysumo:

Those of us who have gone prepaid KNOW what we will be paying, because we pay it, and get charged our taxes, and thats it.

Yes. Without a contract, they can simply raise the price on you at any time. There's no need for AT&T to be creative in your case.
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