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by Revcb 07:33AM Thursday Jun 16 2011

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DataRiker
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Waste of Time

A Canadian user of bit torrent was fined 60,000 dollars in a US court.

Why is a US court handing out fines for foreign nationals? He didn't show up for trial, and certainly doesn't care nor will he pay the fine.

Whats the point?

Noah Vail
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Re: Waste of Time

said by DataRiker:

A Canadian user of bit torrent was fined 60,000 dollars in a US court.

Why is a US court handing out fines for foreign nationals? He didn't show up for trial, and certainly doesn't care nor will he pay the fine.

Whats the point?

Find a way to criminalize his non-payment and he can be extradited.

NV
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DataRiker
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Re: Waste of Time

said by Noah Vail:

said by DataRiker:

A Canadian user of bit torrent was fined 60,000 dollars in a US court.

Why is a US court handing out fines for foreign nationals? He didn't show up for trial, and certainly doesn't care nor will he pay the fine.

Whats the point?

Find a way to criminalize his non-payment and he can be extradited.

NV

Has your wife ever worn a Bikini?

Driven a car?

Shown her hair?

If so, you've just been extradited to Saudi Arabia since a court there says you've broken the law. Punishment is Death !

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Re: Waste of Time

It all depends on how easy it is to bribe/manipulate/coerce an extradition judge.
Cisco got one of their former high level associates arrested that way. It is also the fault of the Judge for not seeing hard evidence of the crime(that has not happened, due to the actual dates of the imaginary crime) that needs an extradition. Too many Judges just rubber stamp warrants without proof of a crime being shown.

The way things are going in canada(British Columbia especially), someone in government will make legislation that prevents renewal of vehicle insurance or drivers license if the person does not pay the U.S. fine. I say U.S., since if the case was not filed in a Canadian court in Alberta, the U.S. court technically does not have jurisdiction over Canadians in Canada. But the Alberta man better not get near the U.S. border, or he might find himself whisked away to a U.S. prison for an outstanding court debt.

»www.globalnews.ca/cisco+deceived···ory.html
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The giant computer company Cisco and U.S. prosecutors deceived Canadian authorities and courts in a massive abuse of process to have a former executive thrown in jail, says a B.C. Supreme Court judge.

The point, said Justice Ronald McKinnon in a stinging decision delivered orally on Tuesday, was to derail a lawsuit launched by the former employee, and involved a series of machinations that would make a normal person "blanch at the audacity of it all."

In a rare move, McKinnon stayed extradition proceedings against Peter Adekeye, a British computer entrepreneur who once worked for Cisco Systems, Inc.

The judge said U.S. prosecutors acted outrageously by having the respected executive arrested in Vancouver on May 20, 2010, as he testified before a sitting of the American court he was accused of avoiding.

Unbelievably, the RCMP took Adekeye into custody as he was testifying before a special U.S. hearing at a Vancouver hotel about the very case that supposedly required his urgent extradition. Adekeye was walked through the hotel lobby in custody to a waiting police wagon.
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Prisoners are treated better than supposedly free North Americans.

Noah Vail
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said by DataRiker:

said by Noah Vail:

said by DataRiker:

A Canadian user of bit torrent was fined 60,000 dollars in a US court.

Why is a US court handing out fines for foreign nationals? He didn't show up for trial, and certainly doesn't care nor will he pay the fine.

Whats the point?

Find a way to criminalize his non-payment and he can be extradited.

NV

Has your wife ever worn a Bikini?

Driven a car?

Shown her hair?

If so, you've just been extradited to Saudi Arabia since a court there says you've broken the law. Punishment is Death !

In order for those Saudi laws to be broken, one would have to be in Saudi Arabia.
With that, there wouldn't be much need for extradition.

NV
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Re: Waste of Time

said by Noah Vail:

In order for those Saudi laws to be broken, one would have to be in Saudi Arabia.
With that, there wouldn't be much need for extradition.

NV

Exactly my point.

Until a Canadian Judge says this person committed a crime in Canada he doesn't have to pay a dime.

Noah Vail
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Re: Waste of Time

said by DataRiker:

said by Noah Vail:

In order for those Saudi laws to be broken, one would have to be in Saudi Arabia.
With that, there wouldn't be much need for extradition.

NV

Exactly my point.

Until a Canadian Judge says this person committed a crime in Canada he doesn't have to pay a dime.

The difference is that he was tried in US court for moving US intellectual property through infrastructure that resides on US soil.

An underdressed woman in America has committed no act at all on Saudi soil.

I'm not endorsing the verdict; just saying that this line of logic won't hold against it.

NV
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Re: Waste of Time

Same logic applies.

US laws do not apply in Canada. Canadian laws do.

People often, incorrectly assume Trade / IP agreements mean US law applies everywhere. Nope. You still have to go through Canadian courts.

I can tell you right now there is not a Judge in Canada who will grant a civil judgment against a citizen based a summary judgement in a foreign country.

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The Terrifying Truth About New Technology

The WSJ article is a very good read.

I'm so far past teenager-hood,
I can't see the guy on the horizon who's looking back at his own 12-20 years.

But I can still remember being young and thinking that adult's are just too old to get it.
The thing is, I still believe that - they don't.

This article covers a bit of why that is.

NV
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SHoTTa35

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Android Security Hole

That makes no sense, you can't connect to Google servers without some connection to the internet so either he did setup the hotspot with virgin mobile thing which gave it access to google which then downloaded all his saved information or he's full of crap.

When you setup a new Android device it asks you for your google id but since the Asus has no 3G, he must have connected thru some wifi to sync his account. The brand new device wouldn't have any predefined APN/SSIDs setup to automatically connect to any network.

Unless i'm stupid and can't read his security hole = feature of Android. It also states such in the settings about backing up settings to Google's servers.

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Re: Android Security Hole

I've set up 3 different Android phones using my same gmail account. I've never had the SSID or passphrases transferred to the new device automatically. I'm thinking this "security hole" is some invention by this guy with no basis in fact.

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AT&T -> T-Mobile Acquisition

This needs to be stopped, period.
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