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by Revcb 07:03AM Thursday Sep 29 2011

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KrK
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Ala Carte

No surprise there... that's not ala carte, it's just charge more and act like it's a choice.

KrK
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Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

Seems like Java support is becoming a serious liability and websites should consider dumping it altogether.... and it makes me wonder if SSL is really just fatally flawed now and can no longer be trusted.
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by KrK:

Seems like Java support is becoming a serious liability and websites should consider dumping it altogether.... and it makes me wonder if SSL is really just fatally flawed now and can no longer be trusted.

Google Chrome has already applied a circumvention to the problem. And MS has circumventions available. But it would be nice if the sloths at Oracle would get off their butts and fix a problem that has been around for years. And the threat by Mozilla is meant to do just that - get Oracle to finally fix the problem.
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KrK
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

The circumventions however break many websites. Still it has to get done.
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by KrK:

The circumventions however break many websites.

Name one. I've had Java disabled for years and I've NEVER had to enable it to use a web site. I've occasionally enabled it to use some obscure, optional applet, but as far as the core functionality of websites is concerned, I've never needed Java.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't web sites that need it, just that the average person is unlikely to use these sites. I know people who have never installed Java and they've never complained of any web sites not working.

It's kind of like saying that blocking Quicktime will break lots of streaming web sites. When was the last time you actually saw a non-aApple web site use Quicktime?

KrK
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

The Circumvention Google did in Chrome was innovative but still causes problems, according to the published reports.
Rekrul

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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by KrK:

The Circumvention Google did in Chrome was innovative but still causes problems, according to the published reports.

How is this in any way related to what I posted?

KrK
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

Well, since your post went off on a tangent, I just put it back. The work-arounds people are doing to get around the Java flaw are causing problems and breaking websites.
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Rekrul

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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by KrK:

Well, since your post went off on a tangent, I just put it back.

So why not reply to the thread in general instead of to my post specifically?

KrK
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

That's what I did. What you're doing is not.
Rekrul

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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by KrK:

That's what I did. What you're doing is not.

No, you specifically replied to my message rather than the thread. I'm not talking about the CONTENT of your message, I'm talking about the fact that you used the reply button my message to post yours. This tags your message as a reply to my message and also sends me an email alert that someone has directly replied to my message.

If you had used the buttons at the top of the thread to post a general reply, I never would have gotten an email alert and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by Rekrul:

said by KrK:

That's what I did. What you're doing is not.

No, you specifically replied to my message rather than the thread. I'm not talking about the CONTENT of your message, I'm talking about the fact that you used the reply button my message to post yours. This tags your message as a reply to my message and also sends me an email alert that someone has directly replied to my message.

If you had used the buttons at the top of the thread to post a general reply, I never would have gotten an email alert and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

So get used to it. People use the wrong button all the time.
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by FFH5:

So get used to it. People use the wrong button all the time.

I'm sorry, it just bugs me when people don't use a threaded message board correctly. Although I have to admit that the users here are MUCH better than the ones on the IMDb. I swear half the users on there have single digit IQs, and insist on replying to the last message in a thread regardless of how many times they're asked not to.

KrK
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No, you replied to me, and I replied to you. You just feel my reply was unrelated to your reply. Lol. 'Nuff said.
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by KrK:

No, you replied to me, and I replied to you. You just feel my reply was unrelated to your reply. Lol. 'Nuff said.

Look at this image and tell me that you didn't reply to my message first. Notice how your message is indented under mine, just as my reply to you is indented under yours?


KrK
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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

You quoted me directly, I then had an IM alert, and responded back your post directly. End of story. You then took issue with the flow of the discussion. So what. Talk about OT. You're wrong.

Done.
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Rekrul

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Re: Wow. That is a serious, serious problem with Java...

said by KrK:

You quoted me directly, I then had an IM alert, and responded back your post directly.

Yes, except that you didn't actually respond to anything I said. You responded directly to my post by ignoring it completely and posting something unrelated to what I asked. If you didn't intend to actually reply to my post and answer my question, you shouldn't have clicked the reply button on it.

said by KrK:

You then took issue with the flow of the discussion.

I took issue with the fact that you used a direct reply to ignore my post.

You stated that removing or disabling Java (the circumventions) would break lots of web sites. I asked you to name one. You replied to that message with a completely unrelated post. If you hadn't replied to my post, I probably would never have come back to this topic. However, when I get an alert that someone has replied to my message, I come back here to read it because I'm curious what they had to say. It annoys me when I waste my time to come back here only to find that someone doesn't know how to properly use a threaded message board.

My first reply to you was in direct relation to what you posted. Your first reply to me was on a completely different subject.

said by KrK:

So what. Talk about OT. You're wrong.

It's OT to ask you to back up an assertion that you made?

I'm still waiting for you to name some of these "many" websites that removing or disabling Java will break.

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Firefox devs mull dumping Java

I really, really don't like the new release schedule. It makes them look like MS idiots that can't put a product together right the first time. And I definitely don't like that with each new version, they block working plugins until they are confirmed working.

But dumping Java? Yes, it sucks, its insecure, and Oracle seems completely incapable of staying on top of things. (much like Adobe) But you can't just dump it. Thats like fighting spam by blocking all email.
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