TiVO Coming To Time Warner CableNew patent victory means new cable push... 02:14PM Monday Jun 22 2009 by Karl Bodetags: legal · business · hardware · alternatives · cable · contentWith their recent DVR patent victory in tow, TiVO plans to "elbow its way onto every U.S. pay-television system to attract millions of new subscribers," according to Bloomberg. TiVO of course already has a deal with Comcast and DirecTV, and is in talks with Time Warner Cable to offer that company's customers the DVR service as well, according to Time Warner Cable COO Landell Hobbs. "TiVo can go around to everyone and say, ‘You have to come to terms with us, we have already taken on Dish and our patents withstood,’" a patent litigator tells Bloomberg.
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by r81984  :Why wouldn't these companies just make their own DVRs? Tivo sucks and likes to pretend they invented the DVR, but everyone knows they did not. The Echo Star case was about this: "TiVo's patent for "Time Warp" software, which allows users to record one TV program while watching another." (this patent was from 2001, way after people have already been doing what the patent claims) I do not see how you can patent such a broad thing like this when computer software and hardware has been doing this before Tivo was invented. Also, I am sure there are 1000 of ways to accomplish this task so if Tivo patented one why not just use one of the other 999 ways? If this patent is continued to be viewed as valid then Tivo owns the rights to all DVRs, even the ones that existed before Tivo got their patent in 2001. It just does not make sense. You can have a DVR. Just not one that lets you record one show while watching another. In other words, you can single tuner your DVR action all you want. Just don't try to watch while recording. 
Many courts have upheld the patent. So just give in an buy a TIVO like everyone else. I did and now I am a very happy person. | |
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| I have a Tivo and really HATE not having the current tuned channel in a window while I look at settings, recorded content, etc.
And the unit (Tivo HD) menu system is horrendously slow compared to the Dish interface or Comcast's.
Of course I'm sure someone probably holds the patent speedy interface or tuned picture in a window.
Next you'll hear, sir you owe us royalties for the 'Fold the toilet paper in squares before you wipe your butt' method of personal hygiene. We patented that back in 1820. | |
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by Neyland :I have a Tivo and really HATE not having the current tuned channel in a window while I look at settings, recorded content, etc. Interestingly, I don't like DVRs that have the current channel in a window while I'm in the menu. More than once a TV show or movie has been spoiled for me by that.
If you don't ever watch Live TV, which is the use case TiVo is designed for, there is no good that can come of having that window.
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I feel this is your opinion more so than anything else. | |
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| "You can have a DVR. Just not one that lets you record one show while watching another. In other words, you can single tuner your DVR action all you want. Just don't try to watch while recording."
Most DVRs can't display a direct picture. Everything you see comes off the hard drive. That's how you can pause and rewind the live picture. In other words, there is always recording going on even if you are just watching a "live" picture. | |
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by curtis33 :"You can have a DVR. Just not one that lets you record one show while watching another. In other words, you can single tuner your DVR action all you want. Just don't try to watch while recording." Most DVRs can't display a direct picture. Everything you see comes off the hard drive. That's how you can pause and rewind the live picture. In other words, there is always recording going on even if you are just watching a "live" picture. I'd be surprised if this were true. I've had a hard drive completely crash and I was still able to watch live TV until the DVR was replaced. There aren't really that many different types of DVR's out there, this was a Scientific Atlanta with Comcast. | |
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Lots of misinformation in this thread. TiVo filed the patent in 1998. | |
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Lots of misinformation in this thread. The patent was filed in 1998. | |
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by curtis33 :"this patent was from 2001, way after people have already been doing what the patent claims" Lots of misinformation in this thread. The patent was filed in 1998. Even if their patent was filed in 1998 people were still using computers as DVRs. Tivo did not invent anything.
Also replay TV had a DVR out before Tivo. Replay TVs version worked without a subscription fee meaning their technology was much better than Tivo's.
I do not see Tivo going after all DVRs they seem to be picking and choosing who they go after while ignoring the many many other DVRs out there that were created with no technology or knowledge stolen from Tivo. If Tivo can have a broad patent of technology not invented by them then why can't I just go and broadly patent whatever I want.
Hmmm.... A box that outputs calculations from inputs through a hand operated device. I'll be waiting for my royalties.
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? TiVo's patent has been reexamined by the USPTO upon the request of Echostar and subsequently validated without a single word being changed. If their high priced lawyers couldn't uncover prior art I'm guessing the readers of this board haven't either. | |
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1 edit | Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by KrK :said by curtis33 :TiVo's patent has been reexamined by the USPTO upon the request of Echostar and subsequently validated without a single word being changed. If their high priced lawyers couldn't uncover prior art I'm guessing the readers of this board haven't either. If ReplayTV had not been destroyed by the Hollywood copyright Facists then Tivo would never be in the position they are in now. Yeah, I miss ReplayTV. I still have a couple of their units with lifetime. I don't use them because they aren't HD. But, they had features that Tivo is only now starting to implement--years later. | |
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If ReplayTV had not been destroyed by the Hollywood copyright Facists then Tivo would never be in the position they are in now.
The ReplayTV patents are still there. They aren't even related to the TiVo patents. The USPTO is fully aware of both patents. Echostar was fully aware of both patents when they asked the patent office to do a reexamination and yet the patent office validated every single word of TiVo's patent. | |
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by KrK :basically the way it looks now, whether I choose DBS or Cable, I'm going to have be paying Tivo extra fees if I want DVR features. Whether directly to Tivo or via my provider's bills for their inbuilt payments to Tivo really matters not to me. :/ Does any cable or DBS company currently provide DVRs without charging a monthly DVR fee? | |
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| said by curtis33 :said by KrK :basically the way it looks now, whether I choose DBS or Cable, I'm going to have be paying Tivo extra fees if I want DVR features. Whether directly to Tivo or via my provider's bills for their inbuilt payments to Tivo really matters not to me. :/ Does any cable or DBS company currently provide DVRs without charging a monthly DVR fee? Now you are simply getting into the marketing semantics of the cable industry. There is no such thing as a free DVR, it's either incorporated into the overall price of the service, or broken out to give the appearance that the service is less expensive.
The cable conglomerates are fighting to maintain control of this revenue stream by creating ridiculous installation charges to set up a CableCard for a third party DVR or a TV that uses such a card. (Verizon charges $75 just to pair a CableCard!) They try to make it seem like they are doing the customer a favor by providing a $15-$20 box for each TV, yet they continually make it extremely difficult for Tivo or Moxi to offer similar services with regards to pay-per-view or on-demand features in an effort to keep customers tied to their own devices.
DVR's are money makers, and they keep the perceived cost of cable TV down, and nobody is giving these away for free outside of a promotional gimmick. | |
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| said by curtis33 :said by KrK : :/ Does any cable or DBS company currently provide DVRs without charging a monthly DVR fee? Dish network, circa 1999ish-single tuner? "PVR" But after hardware cost, no monthly service fee. | |
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by r81984 :It is a DVR there is no reason for a subscription. Tell that to TiVo, Replay, the cable companies, and the satellite companies. The guide data doesn't magically appear, you know.
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1 edit | Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by r81984 :It does on my Media Center PC. And someone is paying for the data itself and the cost of distributing it to you. That Microsoft or whoever hides that cost from you does not make it nonexistent, only hidden from view. I don't know what they charge for Media Center, so they could be building it into the price of the OS for all I know.
(Somehow I expect a TiVo HD+Lifetime would have been cheaper, anyhow)
Neyland, they offer the ability because people want to occasionally do so (and the folks who use it solely for trick play on sporting events want to view live), but the device is designed to primarily be used for watching time-shifted content.
There are a lot of things I disagree with TiVo on (no free space indicator, for one!), but they adamantly stick to their idea of how the device should be used and develop for that. Much like Apple in that respect, actually.
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| You actually need to say what software was available in 1998 or before 1998 that you claim people were using to make their computers DVR's, as well as the capture card being used.
If you're just saying it because capture cards were available with software to capture video from a source, then that's not the same thing in 1998 that TiVo and ReplayTV were doing. They had on screen guides and recorded TV shows.
PC's did not have this software capability at the time. Sure, you could capture video to them. But they weren't doing what you claim before TiVo patented it. | |
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| Re: How can you patent something you did not invent??? said by KrK :Ah, welcome back the Tivo fanboi. Sure they were. Now they'll just have to charge even more. If you hadn't noticed, your cable company already has a deal with TiVo.
Either way, your feelings about the brokenness of the patent system do not in any way justify Dish choosing to ignore them.
I think it's broken, too, but so long as they exist in their current form, I expect all companies to play by the rules.
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| said by r81984 :Why wouldn't these companies just make their own DVRs? Tivo sucks and likes to pretend they invented the DVR, but everyone knows they did not. The Echo Star case was about this: "TiVo's patent for "Time Warp" software, which allows users to record one TV program while watching another." (this patent was from 2001, way after people have already been doing what the patent claims) I do not see how you can patent such a broad thing like this when computer software and hardware has been doing this before Tivo was invented. Also, I am sure there are 1000 of ways to accomplish this task so if Tivo patented one why not just use one of the other 999 ways? If this patent is continued to be viewed as valid then Tivo owns the rights to all DVRs, even the ones that existed before Tivo got their patent in 2001. It just does not make sense. These days only clever people can survive in this world...
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| knew this one was coming... I'll take my regular Motorola DVR anyday, thanks. Since I "rent" from Cox, it already defeats the purpose of buying a DVR (tivo) and then still having to pay a monthly (un)fee. I don't care how shiny, happy, or glorious a Tivo is in comparison - my DVR does what I want it to, no more, no less. Oh, and they don't insert ads when I fast forward...
Dear Tivo - I don't care, and I don't like you. Don't want anything to do with your business or its model of operation. Never have, and now I really really really doubt I ever will.
I think I'll buy a cable-card tuner, plug it into a media center PC and be done with it. Would rather go ahead and rent just the card if that's what I absolutely have to submit to. Less money, esp. that ends up in Tivo's pockets.
On top of all that, I still think "expanded" basic channels should be delivered in CLEAR QAM so that a standard tuner can decode the signal - FORCING people to rent a box, or even the card, to decode SD or HD content that you already pay for, is wrong. It is a huge step backwards from the "cable ready" analog tuners that can legally tune the full range of available and paid for channels while still protecting "premium" content. I have no problem with HBO etc. needing some kind of descrambler that is purchased/rented, but forcing rental of decoding technology (for channels already delivered in the clear via analog - NOT just broadcast network stations) ought to be illegal, and I hope the class action suits against the cable companies address this issue and win. | |
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| said by amungus :I'll take my regular Motorola DVR anyday, thanks. Since I "rent" from Cox, it already defeats the purpose of buying a DVR (tivo) and then still having to pay a monthly (un)fee. I don't care how shiny, happy, or glorious a Tivo is in comparison - my DVR does what I want it to, no more, no less. Oh, and they don't insert ads when I fast forward... So you rent the cable co.'s flavor of DVR and you're limited as to what you can record/watch simultaneously, *and* you're complaining that Tivo charges a rental fee? LMAO. In this market Cox charges $14.99/mo. for DVR. I could buy a Tivo Box and pay them whatever the current subscription is but at least I'm not getting nickel/dimed to death by Cox and have more options to record 2 shows AND watch yet another show ALL at the same time. Bottom line: Cox flavor DVR has limits. Tivo does not.
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| Re: knew this one was coming... "...and you're limited as to what you can record/watch simultaneously, *and* you're complaining that Tivo charges a rental fee?"
Not really, I can record 1, watch another, record 2, watch pre-recorded, HD or SD, or both :P
Difference is, I pay only the rental, not hardware purchase outright in addition to monthly fee... Being as I don't plan on keeping it forever, I'd say I'm getting a better deal
...Morbo - cable card fees would allow you to get HD, yes? In that case, the $3 (or whatever it is) brings you darn close to that nearly $13-15...
My basic dislike for Tivo is that after purchase, you still have to pay a monthly/yearly fee on top of that in order to use the thing. Why should I bother with that if I can pay the same amount to Cox, get (enough of) the same features, and, NOT have to purchase the unit? If I purchase the thing, I want to be able to do what I want with it - enter the Media Center/PVR - upgrade to however much storage I want, encode to whatever format I want, and no fees at all unless I choose to get this wonderfully pointless little cable card ...RENTAL.. in order to get digital channels and HD which should be "in the clear" in the first place...
My BIGGEST gripe is that scrambled channels should be the ONLY thing such "keys" are needed for, and you should be able to BUY said key at a cheap price.
Only "advantage" I see w/Tivo is its built in transcoder and ability to transfer directly to portable. Currently, I CAN still dub off shows via Firewire, but it's kind of pointless. Everything seems to dub off in MPEG2 without trouble except for premium content - everything else is regular MPEG2 that I can transcode until my processor melts...
That, and I have no desire or need for portable recordings of TV/Movies.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Tivo, I just don't like them or their business model. What I dislike much more is the way the content providers, cable companies, whoever - decided that I can't BUY a box, or a "cable card." Unless there IS a way to just buy a card, for, say $10, I'd say it's a ripoff. These things are nothing more than a very small "Smart Card" with special programming for their service...
One should be able to go to the local office, buy one, and use it on whatever device they want. If you have the latest most expensive Tivo with 80,000TB worth of storage, direct cerebral interconnector, Octo-HD hyper-reality enhancement, and your own dedicated bundle of ultra-multiplexed-faster-than-light-fiber, why not?  | |
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| said by amungus :I'll take my regular Motorola DVR anyday, thanks. Since I "rent" from Cox, it already defeats the purpose of buying a DVR (tivo) and then still having to pay a monthly (un)fee. I don't care how shiny, happy, or glorious a Tivo is in comparison - my DVR does what I want it to, no more, no less. Oh, and they don't insert ads when I fast forward... They don't have to give you a new box. All they need to do is load TiVo software into your existing box. That's what TiVo is planning to do with OCAP/Tru2Way anyway - have both their own boxes as well as software for the cable company boxes.
As for ads when you're fast forwarding - they're coming. No escape at all. I guess you missed the post in the cable users forum where one user reported being limited in their ability to FF, so be thankful you can FF now, period, because the networks aren't going to keep that around for long.
Channels in clear QAM - not going to work as long as there are subscription tiers. There is a way to get channels without a cable box today, it's called CableCARD. Only problem is that the TV manufacturers decided to cut costs by omitting the CableCARD slots. So don't blame the cable companies (although they still are evil). Blame your TV manufacturer for dropping CableCARD. | |
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Spokesman for Verizon Communications Inc. and AT&T Inc. said their TV services don’t infringe TiVo patents. Atlanta- based Cox Communications Inc. has an agreement with TiVo. Bethpage, New York-based Cablevision Systems Corp., which is developing a remote recording system, and Charter Communications Inc., based in St. Louis, declined to comment.
Huh? Then why do I have this garbage Motorola DVR with a crappy interface sitting under my TV?
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1 edit | Re: Cox Has an Agreement With Tivo? said by biggbrother : quote:
Spokesman for Verizon Communications Inc. and AT&T Inc. said their TV services don’t infringe TiVo patents. Atlanta- based Cox Communications Inc. has an agreement with TiVo. Bethpage, New York-based Cablevision Systems Corp., which is developing a remote recording system, and Charter Communications Inc., based in St. Louis, declined to comment.
Huh? Then why do I have this garbage Motorola DVR with a crappy interface sitting under my TV? »www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stori···4&EDATE=
I think the deal was three years ago. | |
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| said by biggbrother : quote:
Spokesman for Verizon Communications Inc. and AT&T Inc. said their TV services don’t infringe TiVo patents. Atlanta- based Cox Communications Inc. has an agreement with TiVo. Bethpage, New York-based Cablevision Systems Corp., which is developing a remote recording system, and Charter Communications Inc., based in St. Louis, declined to comment.
Huh? Then why do I have this garbage Motorola DVR with a crappy interface sitting under my TV? it's the same deal comcast has Tivo will be ran on the SA/Cisco Motorola hardware. nothing new has been annouced. probably waiting for Tru2way to launch tivo in more areas. | |
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| Re: Why Does TiVo have to negotiate with MSOs at all? said by funchords :With CableCard, shouldn't it be just plug and play? It is on FIOS as long as the info is entered correctly in the system. Especially since their cards(I only have the single stream right now) aren't tied to a specific port or box. And can move my cable cards to any of my tiVos and they work properly. | |
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What do non-TiVo generic-cable DVR users pay per month on their DVR rental fee?
I know for Comcast in my area, they want $15.99 a month for a HD DVR RENTAL BOX!!!
Guess what? I can go to Amazon, get a TiVo HD for $250, pay the $299 lifetime service fee, and over 3 years, that averages out to $15.25 per month. After 3 years, its paid for, and Comcast would still want $15.99 a month.
Not only do I get the top of the line DVR search and record platform there is, I also have access to:
Netflix Watch Instantly
Blockbuster On Demand
Amazon On Demand
YouTube
TiVo2Go (PC, iPod, iPhone, blackberry, other TiVo HD boxes)
Storage Expansion - I have 75 HD hours available...what does Comcast have? 20? 30? Yikes!
Oh by the way, there are no pop-up ads on fast-forward..thats a myth.
As far as Tivo's patent goes, its does not proclaim to have patented the DVR itself. It patented a certain method of recording TV content in a cost-effective manner. | |
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As far as VoD goes, why would I need Comcast's version, when I have access to Amazon's, Blockbuster's, Netflix's, Disney's, and YouTube? | |
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| Cablevision Tivo isn't going to have any luck arming themselves into Cablevision territory. Cablevision is essentially inventing their own DVR that runs from a head end, and is expected to deploy it this summer to customers. Since it's a completely new technology, Tivo isn't going to have any luck suing, neither will they be able to gain any leverage of them.
Should be fun to watch. | |
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Cablevision has to support TiVo whether it pisses off charles dolan or not. | |
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| Crazy Thread Wow, this is a crazy thread. Basically Tivo is just trying to make money and this thread blew up.
I have a Tivo HD, and 2 Serieis 2 boxes on FiOS. I also have a FiOS DVR.
FiOS DVR guide is better (quicker) but sooo unreliable. The content provider is horrible.
Had comcast for years. Their UI is horrible.
Tivo has been by far the best for me. I agree it's time for UI update, but "it just works". I love the Tivo to go features too. | |
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| Re: VCR invented the DVR said by mryanbrown :THE VCR INVENTED VIDEO RECORDING! TiVo just removed the tape. Video recording was available before they started using cassettes to hold the tape.(VCR- Video Cassette Recorder) | |
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