  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
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| Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons Yeah, the higher ups are to blame. But I think the main reason they havent been adopted is because they dont appeal to most people.
Most tv co's give away a few set top boxes with their packages now, and with the all room dvrs, on screen gudes, and ondemand services, STBs are a clear choice over cable cards.
Now....the real question is to whether to let people buy their own STBs.... | |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons said by baineschile:Now....the real question is to whether to let people buy their own STBs.... Funny you mention this. These STBs seem to be the flimsiest things in the universe. Mine died over the weekend and is in the process of being replaced. I'm kinda glad I am renting it as without any box my old tunerless HDTV monitor is not usable.
I don't think these things are really worth owning.
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| | | | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons owning them will cut down on the over reuse of them.
Owning seems to work in Canada and they don't hit you with $6-$7+ outlet or mirroring fees per box. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons said by Joe12345678:owning them will cut down on the over reuse of them. How? I don't see how owning a box that is a piece of junk that has to be replaced is better than renting one. Over time, if I had to pay out of pocket to replace all the boxes I've had die on me, I would have spent way more in equipment costs than I have paid in rental fees.
said by Joe12345678:Owning seems to work in Canada and they don't hit you with $6-$7+ outlet or mirroring fees per box.
I've never been charged any such fees. I don't think they are linked to box rentals.
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| Flimsy? Here with Comcast, we have had a grand total of two STBs die, ever, and both were refurbs, and that is since 2000. (Also, one was employee-installed, and the other was shipped under the STB Self-Install program that Comcast has offered in the Beltway Region for nearly two years.) Neither was HD - both were, in fact, SD. (The only HD STB we've ever had - a Pace RNG110 - which replaced the shipped-dead refurb - was also shipped, and has worked just fine since it arrived.) I'm anxiously awaiting the self-install CableCARD as I still have the house's only CC-ready HDTV - my 42" Philips plasma that I bought new in 2005 and is mounted on my bedroom wall. It's nice to know that I have less than a month to wait! | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons The one that will replace this box will be our 5th or 6th. I forget.
I sincerely hope we get a Motorola box this time around. The past few boxes have been these crappy Scientific Atlanta or Cisco boxes that just keep dying on me.
But like I said, I don't really mind too much, I'd rather pay to rent the thing thing and get a replacement when they break rather than poop out $300 or more a pop for these things.
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Floral Park, NY | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons said by pnh102:I'd rather pay to rent the thing thing and get a replacement when they break rather than poop out $300 or more a pop for these things.
I got my first 2 Tivos in 2007 and they're both still working great. Over 4 years at ~$20 per DVR they've saved me about $2000 in rental fees. They've paid for themselves multiple times already, so if I ever have to replace a hard drive for $50 it's no biggie.
Last year I grabbed myself a Ceton InfiniTV Quad-Tuner that I use with a PC and an extender to replace 2 more DVR's. I'm already in the green for that. | |
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| | | said by baineschile:Yeah, the higher ups are to blame. But I think the main reason they havent been adopted is because they dont appeal to most people.
Most tv co's give away a few set top boxes with their packages now, and with the all room dvrs, on screen gudes, and ondemand services, STBs are a clear choice over cable cards.
Now....the real question is to whether to let people buy their own STBs....
Most cable companies DO NOT give away HD DVRs with cable subscriptions. They may give a few months free rental but the DVR rental and DVR service fee is a huge cash cow now.
Rather, the reason that CableCARD has floundered is because the cable companies simply can't get it to work right. It's more of a hassle than it's worth. Also most people don't know you can get a TiVo or alternative DVR. They figure the only option is the cableco provided box. | |
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join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons Rather, the reason that CableCARD has floundered is because the cable companies simply can't get it to work right.
The experience sucks because they make it suck. (a) they don't advertise cabecards. (b) they charge extra for cablecards, even on packages that include a STB in the base price (ala TWC DiGiPic.) (c) they charge huge installation fees, which is mostly just calling a op center and reading a set of numbers. (d) through bugs or malice, non-integrated cablecards get screwed up often. (e) rollout of SDV takes large numbers of channels away from CC systems. (f) the USB attached tuning adapter (TA) just adds one more thing to fail (and it does) and one more thing for them to screw up.
Their own STBs never suffer from any of this crap. There are two things to note about *their* boxes... (1) they are not Cable Labs certified in any way. (2) they are two-way devices. | |
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Why not make a standard first and then allow customer owned boxes.
by a standard I mean something like DOCSIS but for CATV boxes. my Moto 5120 can be used on any CATV internet service in the US(unless someone does not use DOCSIS). and while its my modem I cannot get any more service than the provider bootfile allows for.
So why not make something like DOCSIS for cable boxes where I can buy a box from a big box electronics store from any number of vendors. call up the cable company and they provision the cable box. Especially as the lines between TV and Data get more and more blurred this will be even easier with SDV.
Now of course it wont happen because owned boxes are not a profit engine.
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| | | | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons said by Kearnstd:Why not make a standard first and then allow customer owned boxes.
by a standard I mean something like DOCSIS but for CATV boxes. my Moto 5120 can be used on any CATV internet service in the US(unless someone does not use DOCSIS). and while its my modem I cannot get any more service than the provider bootfile allows for.
So why not make something like DOCSIS for cable boxes where I can buy a box from a big box electronics store from any number of vendors. call up the cable company and they provision the cable box. Especially as the lines between TV and Data get more and more blurred this will be even easier with SDV.
Now of course it wont happen because owned boxes are not a profit engine.
There is DOCSIS for Cable boxes and is coming for Tru2way features.
It's called ADSG, Advanced DOCSIS Settop Gateway.
In fact, newer cable boxes being deployed today already have the ADSG capability in them, it just needs to be activated when the headend is ready to use it. | |
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| | | Yeah right. Every cable company-provided set-top box I have ever used is some horribly designed, power-sucking, massive heat generating pile of shit. Most cable providers seem to have an interface straight out of the 1990's suck on their cable boxes. It is pathetic the number of providers who still have completely 4:3 standard definition set-top box interfaces.
Combine that with ancient hard drives with decade-old capacities (I have never seen a cable STB with a capacity higher than 500GB; most are stuck at 160-320 GB which is utterly pathetic), a limit of two recordings at once, and an interface that moves at a snail's pace, the CableCARD + infinitely expandable PC has become the clear winner in every category. | |
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| | | | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons said by 45612019:Combine that with ancient hard drives with decade-old capacities (I have never seen a cable STB with a capacity higher than 500GB; most are stuck at 160-320 GB which is utterly pathetic), a limit of two recordings at once, and an interface that moves at a snail's pace, the CableCARD + infinitely expandable PC has become the clear winner in every category.
The newest Cisco STB's have 500GB drives and can be "multi-room" so that you can setup recordings on one DVR and have one of the 2 or more DVR's in your house record the shows.
Also, TiVo has JUST introduced a DVR capable of recording 4 shows at once, and they're pretty much the leader in DVR technology. So I don't see why being only able to record 2 shows at once is a complaint, since there isn't a standalone box that you can buy today that can do it. | |
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| | | | | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons said by skuv :said by 45612019:Combine that with ancient hard drives with decade-old capacities (I have never seen a cable STB with a capacity higher than 500GB; most are stuck at 160-320 GB which is utterly pathetic), a limit of two recordings at once, and an interface that moves at a snail's pace, the CableCARD + infinitely expandable PC has become the clear winner in every category.
The newest Cisco STB's have 500GB drives and can be "multi-room" so that you can setup recordings on one DVR and have one of the 2 or more DVR's in your house record the shows. Also, TiVo has JUST introduced a DVR capable of recording 4 shows at once, and they're pretty much the leader in DVR technology. So I don't see why being only able to record 2 shows at once is a complaint, since there isn't a standalone box that you can buy today that can do it. It's a valid complaint. M-cards can support up to 6 channels at once. It's pathetic that it has taken this long for devices to finally start to get pushed out that have more than 2 tuners. And 500 GB is still far too small a hard drive.
The Ceton InfiniTV 4 has been out for a year now and can record four channels at once just fine. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons The Ceton card works like gang busters too! I love mine. | |
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Standalone DVRs and cable box DVRs cannot cost as much as a PC, so they must build them to technology that is available cost effectively for the time. TiVo is just now getting 4 shows at once because processing power has become cheap enough to record 4 MPEG2/MPEG4 streams at once. So again, not a valid criticism at this point, when you're comparing it to a PC add on card.
And I don't want to tell you how or when you should view the TV you record. But if you are actually watching what you are recording, 500GB is plenty, and if its multiroom DVR, then you have 1TB anyway. A DVR wasn't meant to be an archive box. If you want that, get your 4 stream at once PC tuner card and a PC with tons of hard drive space and forget about standalone DVRs. They will NEVER be what you want them to be. | |
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| Re: Struggled to see adoption for a number of reasons Recording a digital TV signal is a mater of copying data -- at a rather low rate at that. When it comes to Tivo's, it's not a matter of speed -- they've had significantly faster tech available for a long time -- but a matter of cost. 4 tuners adds quite a bit more hardware. CableLabs certification requires an analog NTSC tuner and MPEG encoder for each of it's tuners. (if there were no NTSC requirement, a 6 tuner Tivo would be trivial.)
The Window Media Center powered DVRs require massive PCs because a) it's windows, b) it re-encodes the stuff it records, and c) playback is done partially or entirely in software. | |
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| The problem is, at least with TimeWarner, in order to get the 500 GB DVR, you must sign up for the multi-room service, which costs and additional $30/month and you must also get a HD box to receive the multi-room service for $10/month. That's $40/month extra just to go from a 160 GB DVR to 500 GB DVR. Even if you only have 1 TV and don't care about the multiroom service.
But even if you are interested in the multiroom service, I can buy a new Moxi 2–Room Bundle (which gives me a 500 GB DVR plus HD box for a 2nd TV) every 20 months and just throw out the old one and have broken even. If miracles of all miracles it lasts longer than 20 months well that's just gravy. | |
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EARTH | Yup nobody wants to pay up front or be responsible for the gear. There is an appeal to the average dumb person in this country to be able to call 1-800-Comcast whenever anything breaks, as much as they don't like the cable company. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
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kudos:4 | said by baineschile:Now....the real question is to whether to let people buy their own STBs. Kill their cash cow? I DON'T THINK SO!
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| Blame Big Cable It is a technology that is only going to be in demand for those who are high-end/knowledgeable users, but I don't know where these mythical providers are who provide free STB's in any package.
They have done all they can to undermine it to protect box revenues.
You can buy STB's in Canada, there's no reason we shouldn't have the same options here. | |
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| | | Re: Blame Big Cable There have been a few lawsuit over being forced to rent the box and I think some are still working though the courts. the phone company used to force you to rent each phone and they where forced to stop doing that. Also the cable guard, protection plans, and other stuff need to be looked at as well if you are renting a box and it fails there should be no truck, no shipping, no activation, no tech fees to get it a working one.
not only that they want the like full price of a new box when it's in a fire, flood, or other disasters even when the box is 2-3+ years old and that not even looking that bulk pricing the cable co gets as well.
Some should get a cable box pay the unturned fee and use the law of first sale / other laws to say I own the box in full and I force you to trun it on or I have the right to sell it and no one can say it's stolen now there may be court cases that can worked by going down that road.
I say go beyond Canada and have no boxed locked to one cable co some of them seem to good prices and some others have very over priced cable boxes.
The real price of a cable box seems to be hard to find. | |
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join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA | Re: Blame Big Cable said by Joe12345678:Some should get a cable box pay the unturned fee and use the law of first sale / other laws to say I own the box in full and I force you to trun it on or I have the right to sell it and no one can say it's stolen now there may be court cases that can worked by going down that road.
But - they are not legal to own. I'm pretty sure the payment of the lost box fee is not a transfer of ownership, it's a penalty for loss. If the original person that paid the fee finds the box, they would be entitled to a refund, but they never actually owned it. I don't say I agree with this, it's just how I read the rules. | |
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| Re: Blame Big Cable Cable boxes are completely legal to own, you're thinking of the old "black boxes" that existed with Analog cable, but now since i dont think anyone even has scrambled channels on Analog anymore, it's not really an issue since Digital cable is a lot more secure as far as content is concerned.
I'm totally down for the "BYOB" model since i've had nothing but TiVo since '03 and i my original Series 2 is still going like a champ in the bedroom, along with my Series 3, Tivo HD and Premiere
It's amazing what you can get when you buy a good piece of hardware (unlike those SA/Cisco crap boxes)
The only Cable Co owned boxes i've ever been able to stand are the Motorola STB's because while those things are huge they rarely if ever break, unlike the junk Cisco/SA throw out. | |
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Sudbury, MA | Re: Blame Big Cable said by brad152:Cable boxes are completely legal to own, you're thinking of the old "black boxes" that existed with Analog cable, but now since i dont think anyone even has scrambled channels on Analog anymore, it's not really an issue since Digital cable is a lot more secure as far as content is concerned.
I was thinking of the Motorola box you mentioned, not for sale to the individual, and Comcast won't activate a box someone "owns", not that I've ever heard. | |
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| Re: Blame Big Cable It's not that they're illegal to own, it's just that the Cable Co's dont want customer's to "Own" their own equipment since that would take away from their revenue.
They only reason why TiVo is allowed is because the FCC mandated Cable Cards and SDV Adaptors for them | |
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Sudbury, MA | Re: Blame Big Cable said by brad152:It's not that they're illegal to own, it's just that the Cable Co's dont want customer's to "Own" their own equipment since that would take away from their revenue.
In the Comcast situation - Motorola doesn't sell the boxes to consumers. And Comcast doesn't either. So how would you find yourself owning a box legally? (I'm a TiVo guy, so no dog in this hunt) | |
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| Re: Blame Big Cable Yet again, it's because cable co's have agreements with mfgr's to not sell to end users
there is no law stating you cannot own a converter box, or else you wouldnt be able to own your tivo, the law just states you cannot decrypt the signal without first having the right too (eg pay for it) | |
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| | | | said by Joe12345678: the phone company used to force you to rent each phone and they where forced to stop doing that.
The reason that happened is because the one and only phone company, AT&T, was majority built on tax payer funds at the time, and was a true monopoly. So there was no choice.
Many try to argue that cable is their only choice, and they're usually being dramatic or lying.
Cable companies are private companies that did not have their cable plants built out by federal government money. Yes, they've been giving priority in rights of ways because of franchise agreements they signed, but they're usually paying for those franchise rights. AT&T did no such thing, they got their lines laid for "free" and then charged for them.
I believe Dish and DirecTV have gone to only leasing their boxes now, and Verizon and AT&T certainly don't let you buy a box off the shelf at some store. And none of the boxes, even if you could buy them, can be used between any of the 5 providers. | |
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join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 |  Other than TIVO, very few offer devices that use Cablecard
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| | | Re: Other than TIVO, very few offer devices that use Cablecard Not true.
There are at least two PC based tuners being sold today - Ceton InfiniTV and HDHomeRun prime. Paired with Windows media center they can make an excellent whole home DVR solution.
Moxi (Arris) also has a DVR that uses CableCARDs.
So it's not really just TiVo.
TV manufacturers used to have CableCARD slots before the cable companies rendered them obsolete with SDV.
Why you don't see more devices may have to do with licensing. The cost to license a device is $100,000 payable to cablelabs. Cablelabs also has some asinine DRM requirements that do nothing but add to the cost. | |
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| | | | Re: Other than TIVO, very few offer devices that use Cablecard said by fifty nine:Cablelabs also has some asinine DRM requirements that do nothing but add to the cost.
You really think that those DRM requirements are CableLabs' requirements?
Again, you people are blaming the WRONG people.
It's the MPAA and TV studios that are requiring this DRM in order to continue broadcasting their content to the cable providers.
Do you think that DirecTV/Dish/Verizon/AT&T boxes are without DRM? | |
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join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| still have to rent them... My concern is that they must still be rented.
I fail to understand why I cannot simply own the technology which permits access to services which are subscribed to. This is a step in a better direction, but it's a very small one.
I've held off on pre-ordering an HDHomerun Prime, or getting a quad-tuner for this very reason.
My media center pc is mine. My TV is mine. With analog, the tuner was "cable ready" for years... Digital services should be no different, with the exception of the evolved technology involved to translate a signal into a usable form.
By August, I'll be closer to moving to an area without cable anyway, so I'll have "cut the TV cord" by the time this has any bearing on my situation anyway.
Damn shame. Always wanted to give it a try - having my own DVR that gets all the HD channels I'm entitled to without an extra monthly fee. Especially since my provider (Cox) advertises so heavily (with oodles of fine print) that "HD is free!" ...yeah, locals are free, but anything else requires a box...
With rental fees, "digital access fees" (or whatever they call them), the overall charge becomes so close to the price of renting a standard STB that it's almost not worth it. The only thing that is worth it, is the fact that I'd not be required to use a cable company box - it could be a media center, a Tivo, or a Moxi.
Despite my complaints, avoiding yet another onerous charge - the "installation" fee - is indeed a welcome step in the right direction. | |
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| | | Re: still have to rent them... Service Electric lets you buy the cable card.
»www.sectv.com/LV/cable_card.html
Purchase CableCARD for a one-time fee of $125.00 and receive a one-year warranty on the CableCARD from the manufacture so you never have to worry about rental fees again! | |
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join:2004-11-26
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»www.sectv.com/LV/cable_card.html
Purchase CableCARD for a one-time fee of $125.00 and receive a one-year warranty on the CableCARD from the manufacture so you never have to worry about rental fees again!
Remember Service electric is not one company. Initially my branch of service electric allowed me to buy cards but later when I asked for a third for a new DVR they told me they only lease them for $3/month.
But the other service electric may allow you to buy cards. Personally I'd rather just rent it. It takes 3 years to break even if you buy and if the card breaks after a year you have to buy a new one (warranty is only 1 year). | |
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| I just pay my Tivo bill of $14.99 for my premiere, and $2 to Cox for the CableCard here in Phoenix.
yes, i have to have that lame SDV box, but it's reliability has gotten much better over the last year (and not to mention Cox has competent TiVo trained techs, unlike Time Warner Cable) | |
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| | Basic cablecard questions What will this card do for me assuming I upgrade my Tivo? I have an OLD Tivo that may get upgraded later this year or early next year.. do these cards take the place of the cable box? | |
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| | | Re: Basic cablecard questions said by NOCTech75:What will this card do for me assuming I upgrade my Tivo? I have an OLD Tivo that may get upgraded later this year or early next year.. do these cards take the place of the cable box?
Yes. No more cable company box. | |
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join:2003-12-24
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kudos:3 | Re: Basic cablecard questions personally IMO i dont see cable cards fully taking off till tru2way is the standard and in full swing as my understanding it will have the exact capability as a STB including using ondemand and not having to use a tivo adapter | |
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| | Break free of the crappy cable company DVR for just $129 Hauppage is now selling a CableCARD-ready 2-tuner card for just $129. This is equivalent to most cable company DVRs' recording capabilities. They are due to start shipping next week.
I'd like to take this time to remind you all that Windows Media Center has an amazing interface compared to those crappy cable company STBs. It is native to whatever resolution your PC uses; so if you want a 1080p guide, you get a native high definition guide. A BIG improvement over most crappy 4:3 standard definition cable company box guides.
If your cable company charges you $15 a month to rent a DVR from them, switching over to this tuner will allow you to break even within a year; and afterwards start saving money.
A PC equipped with a CableCARD tuner can use any amount of storage you want to put in it. Have 8 SATA ports on your motherboard? Want to put eight 3TB hard drives in there? Have fun with your new 24 terabyte capacity DVR! Take that, pathetic 160 GB cable company DVRs! That's 150 times as much storage space as a cable company box.
Other devices currently on the market include the Ceton InfiniTV 4 card (four channels of recording capacity at once), and the HDHomeRun Prime (three or six channels of recording capacity). Both these devices cost $250+ however. | |
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Sapulpa, OK | Re: Now the cable company is paying me... So what are the terms of the credit? Is it for how long you have used your cablecards, and then your are credited back 100%? Then will the use of the cablecards be free? Or is it a credit for the install? | |
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join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
kudos:1 | TiVo is the only sane way to go Never again will I struggle with the wacky Scrotorola / SA DVRs with their insane GUI and huge complex remote.
Thank goodness the FCC is keeping Comcast from making that the only choice.
I'll stay with my TiVo. It's worth twice the subscription fee. For everybody who just HAS to have the Pay-Per-View, feel free to futz with those flaky DVRs. Or get an Apple TV. | |
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| | | Re: TiVo is the only sane way to go I thought so too, and stayed with Tivo for three years while they repeatedly promised a new DirecTV HD box and repeatedly missed their shipping dates.
No more.
Tivo has abundantly demonstrated a rank inability to get product out the door. The result is that they have become a slowly sinking ship, increasingly reliant on IP lawsuits.
I changed to a DirecTV DVR and, while it isn't perfect, and I miss the hackability of my old Tivo, at least the damn thing exists. It isn't just a broken promise. | |
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Have you negotiated the fees away?
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SEC. 624A. CONSUMER ELECTRONICS EQUIPMENT COMPATIBILITY
The moment the cable companies began deploying digital STB's they violated SEC. 624A. CONSUMER ELECTRONICS EQUIPMENT COMPATIBILITY of the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992. Read Section here:
My CableCard install went smoothly