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TiVo also doesn't "hate" cable. They just found the cable companies extremely difficult to work with. | |
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| Re: hey tivo you would think that if TiVO doesn't like dealing with the MSOs due to the issues with them, why not go to ATT and VZ?
TiVO just seems to want their cake and eat it too, which isn't working.
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| | | | | Re: hey tivo On the contrary. Tivo already works with verizon fios. And who says they aren't partnering with others?
Tivo doesn't want any preferential treatment either. They just want the cable operators to abide by both the spirit and the letter of the FCC rules. | |
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As far as partnering with VZ and ATT, they have MSFT building their software and MOT building the boxes. Why the need for TiVO? TiVO is on the way out and is only a DVR with a pretty interface. the MSFT boxes are much much more than that.
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|  CabalPremium
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Does anyone care about this? No? Pass.
I most certainly care. Frankly TiVo causes aggravation for its users by forcing us to get CableCARDs to map cable channels. If users could remap without involving the cable companies I suggest that it could improve their sales and user satisfaction. | |
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Does anyone care about this? No? Pass.
I most certainly care. Frankly TiVo causes aggravation for its users by forcing us to get CableCARDs to map cable channels. If users could remap without involving the cable companies I suggest that it could improve their sales and user satisfaction. Clear QAM on most providers only gives local HD channels. Given that clear QAM's future is uncertain, I don't think that TiVo will devote much resources to it. This is the sad reality of it. Development time costs money, which means coding these features costs money. I don't think TiVo sees much ROI in this given that most people can get a multistream cablecard for just a few dollars a month. | |
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Cablevision so far is the only company I know of that has applied for a waiver of the clear QAM rules, and I don't think the waiver has been granted as yet.
But some companies would just love for Clear QAM to go away so they can force a STB rental on every HDTV your own. | |
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: Does TiVo allow channel remapping without a CableCARD yet? said by fifty nine:said by mikesco:recently Comcast removed the local HD broadcasts from the clear QAM. I'm Still ticked off, they use extortion to force you to rent thier set top boxes when you shouldn't need them. If your comcast system is still carrying analog service in your area then they are probably in violation of FCC rules. Cablevision so far is the only company I know of that has applied for a waiver of the clear QAM rules, and I don't think the waiver has been granted as yet. But some companies would just love for Clear QAM to go away so they can force a STB rental on every HDTV your own. What are you talking about? ..there are no analog mandates by the FCC on CLOSED systems...removal of analog by cable companies is VOLUNTARY BANDWIDTH RECOVERY...please get your facts straight
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kudos:1 | Not surprised The Cable companies want everything in house as much as possible this way they can increrease rates and get more revenue coming in.
I've had a TivoHD for a month now I'm liking it the software works really well and its much quicker and cheaper then my comcast DVRs.
But from the get go just not being able to go to my local office to get a cable card and having to pay for a tech to visit my house wasn't right or fun.
Then there is the whole thing of no on demand and ppv ordering kind of bummed about that but I'll survive 
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Why have on demand and PPV when TiVoHD does Netflix streaming?
It's not just that some cable system have SDV.
Also guide data (does the tivo guide have all in house cable channels) in the tivo guide?
Can the tivo box with cable card get PPV events or out of market sports packs? | |
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| Re: Not surprised said by Joe12345678:It's not just that some cable system have SDV. Also guide data (does the tivo guide have all in house cable channels) in the tivo guide? Can the tivo box with cable card get PPV events or out of market sports packs? SO whats the problem with SDV? All of the major MSOs AFAIK have tuning adapters available now to deal with that. Cablevision supplied me one at no charge.
As far as guide data, Tivo uses the same source for guide data that the cable boxes use -- from Tribune Media.
Yes the Tivo with cable card can get PPV events.. No, you cant order it through the interface, but you can call to order. Additionally, out of market sports packs (at least on Cablevision) can be ordered as well (as long as you have the SDV adapter) | |
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Beyond that my 2 TiVoHDs blow the CV DVRs out of the water... not to mention I want no part of up coming network DVR service CV is working on. | |
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Why have on demand and PPV when TiVoHD does Netflix streaming?
One word - porn. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: tivo said by jchambers28:If tivo would quit bitching and complaining and come out with some boxes that work with hd on satellite and other TV services they would not have to rely soley on cable TV. Agreed!
For some reason, I have a feeling Tivo isn't being 100% honest in their words... They've had bad dealings with Satellite in the past as well.. Tivo is one to talk about "license fees"... I wonder why Tivo and Satellite didn't work out too well.. and, when it comes to fees, they seem to think, to the consumer, that $12.95 a month is some how acceptable for a simple bit of guide data? The data is largely free to anyone that wants it these days.. further, I think it's an INCREDIBLE rip-off when the consumer spends the amount of money on the hardware and THEN has to pay a large fee to use what is rightfully their's to begin with..
Boo hoo to Tivo.. This is just another example of an industry that can't seem to survive outside of someone else's business model... I wonder if they will wind up going the way of Earthlink and others?
Also, in the day and age of "pay me for what's mine"... I don't think any company is not out there chasing someone else to pay them a fee for their stuff.. I think Tivo is just upset that they have no one right now to sue that has simply taken their "stuff"... oh wait.. they're already suing someone for patent infringement.
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| Re: tivo said by morbo:quite a lot of garbage in that post. upon reflection, it's too difficult to respond to all of it. take me back. Quite the contrary. All valid points. In fact, the one I mostly closely agree with is having to pay a fee for Guides on top of the box price itself.
To Tivo's defense: My providers HD signal is not kosher with my Tivo. Would love to use my Tivo versus the crap DVR I am stuck with.
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IMO people that complain are complaining because it's "fun", not because they've ever used a TIVO or have a valid complaint. These same people often talk about spending 100X a much (upwards of $1000) to build their own windows DVR while at the same time complaining that the could spend less than 1/3 as much for a lifetime box from TIVO. | |
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Tivo service fee - $12.99
CableCARD fee - $2.95 (lease) for a single "M" card.
AO fee - 50 cents
That's ~$16.50 total. But I bought my cards which means that they are rent free until they die.
I must admit that my cable provider is pretty reasonable with pricing for TV services compared to some of the others. I have heard of $10 fees for cablecards from some companies which IMO is excessive. | |
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kudos:4 | said by rahvin112:You know what I find lame? Someone complaining about paying TIVO $14 a month while they pay their CableCo $15-18 a month for an inferior box with no upgradability. last time i checked my cable dvr doesn't record infomercials i didn't ask for nor does it have ads i didn't ask for.
oh yeah, tivo sucks!
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kudos:3 | said by rahvin112:You know what I find lame? Someone complaining about paying TIVO $14 a month while they pay their CableCo $15-18 a month for an inferior box with no upgradability. I believe you answered your own question/rant there buddy..
For a cable box, you are paying for a box that isn't yours.. you don't buy it, you don't pay for it.. you're renting it.. its their responsibility..
With TIVO, you OWN the box... you're paying damn near the same amount for guide data on a box you OWN over what you pay a cable company to simply rent the box.
You're confusing two different issues here.
As for a windows DVR, um.. you still OWN the computer.. and that computer is a computer first, and a DVR second... people spend $1000 on computers all the time.. oh, and for the record, the guide data for those computers are still free.. again, Tivo charges you upwards to $13 a month.. again, for guide data...
I still simply have a hard time buying something for $300, which I OWN.. and, even if I chose NOT to buy the guide data, I can't even use it like a digital VCR where I can simply program start, stop, and channel information.. ie: If I don't pay them a monthly subscription to use my own equipment, I have a door stop..
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| said by fiberguy:said by rahvin112:You know what I find lame? Someone complaining about paying TIVO $14 a month while they pay their CableCo $15-18 a month for an inferior box with no upgradability. I believe you answered your own question/rant there buddy.. For a cable box, you are paying for a box that isn't yours.. you don't buy it, you don't pay for it.. you're renting it.. its their responsibility.. With TIVO, you OWN the box... you're paying damn near the same amount for guide data on a box you OWN over what you pay a cable company to simply rent the box. You're confusing two different issues here. As for a windows DVR, um.. you still OWN the computer.. and that computer is a computer first, and a DVR second... people spend $1000 on computers all the time.. oh, and for the record, the guide data for those computers are still free.. again, Tivo charges you upwards to $13 a month.. again, for guide data... I still simply have a hard time buying something for $300, which I OWN.. and, even if I chose NOT to buy the guide data, I can't even use it like a digital VCR where I can simply program start, stop, and channel information.. ie: If I don't pay them a monthly subscription to use my own equipment, I have a door stop.. Seriously.. you don't see anything wrong with that?? A digital VCR? You are missing the whole point of a TiVo. I don't need to check and see when something is going to come on. I had enough of that between 2001 and 2004 when I used an HD digital VCR to record OTA HD. I had to constantly check to see when things came on, add time if it was live etc. With TiVo I don't have to worry about any of of that. I don't even know when half of the shows I watch come on. TiVo does an excellent job of recording the shows and I don't have to check anything to see when they come on. That is worth much more than the $6.95 I pay a month for each of my three non-Lifetime units.(I have six Lifetime units) | |
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kudos:3 | Re: tivo I didn't miss the point.. you did  ... my point is that if you buy the box, it's capable of functioning WITH OUT the guide, and it should.. Since VCRs are pretty much done with, the Tivo or DVR is the replacement.. there should be no reason that you should be REQUIRED to purchase a guide IF you don't want to..
Yes, the guide makes the experience the best, but it should NOT be a requirement.. I mean, if you don't pay your bill, you can't even watch your recorded programs, at least on the boxes I've used... that makes no sense. | |
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But now that the only TiVo's they sell are capable of getting guide data over the Internet, they can't really use that as justification for the fee.
But, Tribune guide data is not free to service providers. Cable companies also pay Tribune to get guide data, because they are using it in a commercial capacity. Yes, individuals can get it for free for personal use. But when you are marketing a service that revolves around guide data that Tribune puts together, you have to pay for it commercially. | |
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This was not a shortcoming on TiVo's part, rather DirecTV's new (then) owners wanted to leverage their own companies' products. That's it really. | |
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Honestly, they should probably turn their device into a set-top box that not only does DVR functionality but also Netflix, Hula, yadda, yadda and figure out a way to make their software work just as well with the various online services as well as TV programing. | |
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Hulu is not going to happen. Hulu wants you to use a PC to watch hulu, not your TV. | |
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: tivo said by fifty nine:Hulu is not going to happen. Hulu wants you to use a PC to watch hulu, not your TV. Who cares what Hulu wants. If someone wants to market a killer device enough, they will figure out ways to build something that mimics your browser in such a way as to trick Hulu into thinking that you're watching their shows on your computer. It's been done before, and could probably be done again in short order if significant enough demand was there for it.
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| | | | | | Re: tivo Good luck with that. There is no way in hell a small company like tivo would go toe to toe in court with news corp, disney or nbc and expect to come out unscathed. Maybe when/if hulu becomes a paid service but not free as it is now.
Boxee already tried the hulu thing. They were asked to remove it, and they complied. | |
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| | | said by jchambers28:If tivo would quit bitching and complaining and come out with some boxes that work with hd on satellite and other TV services they would not have to rely soley on cable TV. TiVo had a HD box that worked on satellite. In fact its first HD box was for DirecTV (HR10-250). However, DirecTV dropped TiVo in favor of boxes developed by NDS.
You can't really blame TiVo as there is no requirement for any cablecard-like technology as there is for cable. This is something that needs to be corrected by the FCC, but the satellite companies are pushing back on this really really hard.
DirecTV was also developing a USB tuner to work with media center but development stopped and it was subsequently dropped.
TiVo is reportedly developing a DVR for use with DirecTV though, so in a couple of years we may have a new HD TiVo on DirecTV. | |
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| Support home gateway I think what sony and Tivo said regarding conditional access is right on. The home gateway is the solution to all this none-sense. This is no setup box competition, and the cable cos, did all they could to stop it. We should be able to buy a tv set, dvr , whatever and take it home, and plug it in , and after a 5 mins setup process have it work . Cable card is a disaster, which i think was intentionally made that way, to ensure the cable cos , competition free environment.
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: Support home gateway I like the "home gateway" kind of idea. Digital entertainment should be simple, as easy as starting up a wireless account.
1. Buy your TV
2. Choose your device (i.e. home media gateway)
3. Choose your provider (i.e. Time Warner, Comcast, etc.)
4. Choose your package (basic, expanded, etc.)
5. Choose your add-ons (Do you want to access your entertainment from your mobile device? Do you want an unencrypted signal to record to a box on your home network? etc., etc.)
Finish that up and you're done. Take your stuff home, connect it together. Connect your home media gateway to the Internet, let it register/activate, and you're done.
The benefits of this are substantial... One fee allows you to potentially distribute the video to all the devices on your home network. You could also set up your smartphone to access this content on the road (i.e. Slingbox style access from your phone).
You could also take your home media gateway with you when you travel. Imagine going on vacation, getting an Internet connection in your hotel room, and not having to put up with the crappy selection of TV channels at the hotel. I wouldn't bother doing this on vacations, but for road warriors this could be a dream come true.
It's unfortunate that cable companies and producers are so paranoid about piracy that this dream described will likely never become a reality. These folks need to understand that piracy will exist no matter what they do to try to stop it. They also need to understand that the majority of their customers will continue being their customers, and will happily pay them monthly, as long as they continue to provide a quality product and a few innovations every once in a while. Unfortunately, this will never happen.
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Nothing is wrong with cablecard. A lot of cable companies just don't want to devote time and resources to get it working right. They will do the same with the home gateway.
To their credit, some companies do what it takes to get CC working right and they should be commended for such. But a lot of them don't, and the easy way out is for you to use a crappy cableco stb. | |
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Cookeville, TN | my cable box is aweful My cable company made it a pain and pleasure to use TiVo.
The cablecard was designed so that you can pick one up or get it mailed to you, put it in, call a support number, and give them the codes and they'd activate it over the phone.
My cable company won't give you a cablecard or tell you what kind of card it is (single or multi), requires a tech to come out and install it ($25 fee + $2/m per card) during the day on a window of say noon to 5pm (anyone work or have class during this time?). Then they put me in some kind of tech support void for cable where even if I have a cable box, they always suggest that because I have a cablecard I can't get video on demand or anything like that and ignore the other box I have.
The standard cable box has the worst UI I've ever used. The guide is littered with advertisements and annoying quirks. Its slow to navigate and only shows 5 channels at a time. They send messages all the time about pay per view offerings and other advertisements.
It comes with this retarded universal remote ( »ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/2···234_.jpg ) that looks like its a kid's toy, feels bad in my hand, and has a whole bunch of unused buttons.
I can see why TiVo is complaining, I don't want to have to get another cablecard. Its funny considering the motorola box comes with a cablecard installed and a little metal guard to make it hard to take it out, but they won't standardize and allow TiVo to have the same functions (on demand , PPV) as the crappy cable box. I'm all for businesses doing what they want but it irritates me when the supply demand theory is invalidated by companies ignoring what I demand and giving me crappy cable boxes and 'discount' bundles. | |
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| old business models I don't think the world needs to adapt to Tivo when their business model stops working. I think it's supposed to be the other way around.
Having said that, I think competition in set top boxes is a good thing. Having device specific encryption (HDCP) on the output signal is really the mistake that paints cable companies and Tivo into this corner. Let the box handle the reception and decryption, and let third party devices do things consumers want with the output. | |
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| | | Re: old business models said by axus: Having device specific encryption (HDCP) on the output signal is really the mistake that paints cable companies and Tivo into this corner. Let the box handle the reception and decryption, and let third party devices do things consumers want with the output. Sorry but they have to have the HDCP otherwise there will be a mass revolt from hollywood. It's the only way to get them to allow their content to be displayed on all this new digital technology.
In the good ol' days of component and DVI before HDCP there was all sorts of talk about "downrezzing" unprotected outputs to 480p on certain devices. Hollywood is afraid of piracy (rightfully so or not) so much that they will not play ball until their rules are met. | |
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| | Is Tivo still around? With the new DVR cable boxes who needs Tivo?
I can now go online and schedule recordings with Comcast. | |
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1 edit | Re: Is Tivo still around? said by JukeBoxHero:With the new DVR cable boxes who needs Tivo? I can now go online and schedule recordings with Comcast. only if you have comcast HSI as well and still you only have 160gb - 320gb MAX.
Direct tv lets you do it by just having direct tv.
with 320gb-500gb + e-sata to a max of 2tb. | |
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| | | Like the pos motorola boxes that hit play go take a shit come and it still not playing or hit fast forward on a 2 hr show it won't stop until the end. Set to record a show and it don't. I'll take the Tivo with quick button responses, watch amazon on demand, watch shows from netflix. Be able to download load shows, remove the ads and return it to the Tivo to watch. Have multi room viewing with out the cables being connected only use the network. No thanks I'll pass on the cable company boxes
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| | | said by JukeBoxHero:With the new DVR cable boxes who needs Tivo? I can now go online and schedule recordings with Comcast. I can go online and do that with tivo - from anywhere. I can do it from my smartphone too. In fact tivo had that long before comcast did.
I can also push videos to my tivo from my pc, or download them and put them on my ipod to watch while on the bus/train. Can you do that with your comcast dvr? | |
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| Re: Is Tivo still around? Eat me, I can do it with my phone or PC. I don't watch an iPod so I never tried. And I never tried to push videos to my DVR.
My lifestyle is different than yours. I just thought that most of the Tivo apps were included on the DVR from Comcast. Personally I have no use for a Tivo. | |
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| | | | | Re: Is Tivo still around? OK but just because YOU don't want it, doesn't mean that others don't.
Some of the things I can do with the TiVo that most cable DVRs simply cannot:
- Watch a show on a different DVR than it was recorded in
- Copy recorded shows to my laptop (or iPod or PSP or smartphone) to watch on the road
- Access video podcasts from various sources
- Watch YouTube
- Watch Amazon on demand
- Watch Netflix on demand
- Listen to internet radio (live365)
- Stream music from any computer on my home network
- Watch photos from any computer on my home network
- Get weather, stocks, sports from online sources (like Yahoo!)
etc etc
Sure you can do that from your phone or PC but I can do it from my living room while sitting on my couch. | |
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| | hmm I doubt it has anything to do with cablebox rental fees. Cablevision charges like $6 a month for a regular box and $16 a month for a dvr.
I doubt cablevision makes anywhere near a profit on the fees even before you have to return the box within the year to get a new one.
I am sure its more of a dont want to deal with the extra tech support needed.
No matter what people say the cable provider is the first person people call if the box dies even if its a third party box. | |
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| | | Re: hmm I agree it is more of wanting to not deal with tech support for tivo and others. However the bigger part of it is PPV/ondemand. | |
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 JohnnyPremium
join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
kudos:1 | TiVo Rules, Moto Drools The minute the TiVo HD came out for $300 I took that piece of junk Scrotorola DVR back to Comcast.
No more heavy-ass remote control that wouldn't work unless you aimed it directly at the DVR, no more freezing up of the remote, becoming non-responsive only to unleash all stored-up button presses 60 seconds later, no more crappy interface.
Now I have that wonderful TiVo remote, point it anywhere and the TiVo sees it, to-do list of scheduled shows in one place, no disappearing recordings, ability to actually block out channels you never watch without having to put them on a "favorites" list and constantly switch to that list, 30-second skip button for commercials, schedule from the Web on either TVGuide.com's schedule or from TiVo.com or from the iPhone app.
The remote has only the necessary keys - no maze of tiny buttons that don't do anything. Backlit buttons on it. Did I mention 30-second skip? Click 8 times and commercial is .... gone. Automatic 8-second overshoot correction.
Connects to YouTube and Amazon.
Displays photos, movies and mp3s from local network.
Can download recorded shows to computer over wireless.
Lifetime service - no monthly fee.
And I can add an external e-SATA drive or upgrade the internal drive.
Connects wirelessly to home network for updating schedule and receiving scheduled recording requests. | |
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| | | Re: TiVo Rules, Moto Drools said by Johnny:Lifetime service - no monthly fee. LOL Wait till your lovely tivo quits working then you can purchase ANOTHER lifetime sub. Enjoy. | |
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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| Re: TiVo Rules, Moto Drools said by firehawk618:said by Johnny:Lifetime service - no monthly fee. LOL Wait till your lovely tivo quits working then you can purchase ANOTHER lifetime sub. Enjoy. My TiVo SD units from DirecTV are still working. I had five of them in the early 2000s and gave them to a couple of friends who still watch SD and have DirecTV. I replaced the ahrd drives in them back in 2001. And they are still working fine. Recording two programs at a time, eight years later. Although they don't have lifetie service since you pay a monthly TiVo $5 fee to DirecTV that covers your TiVos. But the point is the TiVos last a hard time. The majority of the time that there is a fialure, it is the hard drive which is easily replaceable. I can remove and install a drive in just a few minutes. And to prepare a new drive only takes a few minutes as well(as long as you aren't transferring your old recordings to the new drive) | |
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| | | | said by firehawk618:said by Johnny:Lifetime service - no monthly fee. LOL Wait till your lovely tivo quits working then you can purchase ANOTHER lifetime sub. Enjoy. Only one I've had fail was a hughes unit that was a DirecTV DVR anyway. All others worked until I retired them. I had one that I used for about 6 years before I went HD. | |
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| | JohnnyPremium
join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
kudos:1 | said by firehawk618:said by Johnny:Lifetime service - no monthly fee. LOL Wait till your lovely tivo quits working then you can purchase ANOTHER lifetime sub. Enjoy. Gladly pay it.
They don't quit working, though. And I don't have to pay $15.99 to Comcast to rent their POS Motorola or Scientific Atlanta crap. | |
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dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | The minute my cox dvr. . . . . Gets tivo put on it, thats the minute it goes back to cox! | |
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| JohnnyPremium
join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
kudos:1 | Re: The minute my cox dvr. . . . . said by dvd536:Gets tivo put on it, thats the minute it goes back to cox! ... and then you can get a REAL TiVo. | |
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| | I LOVE TIVO Tivo's BLOOP suck BONGGG BONGGG BONGGG | |
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| | Tivo BLOOP sucks BONGGGG BONGGGG BONGGGG | |
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 JSYPremium
join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY | People who've never used TiVo have no idea what it does. They have this CableCo. DVR concept in their head that that is what TiVo is. I have 2 TiVo HDs, 2 CableCo DVRs, and 2 DishNetwork DVRs in my household. The 2 CableCo DVRs are the biggest pieces of shit of them all. Say what you want to say about the fee because you bring up good points - but please - don't even compare the TiVo to the CableCo DVR. It's not even remotely close. Even my Dish Network 722ViP blows away the CableCo DVR. How are cable companies even charging for this garbage?
That being said, TiVo is indeed the most capable of them all by far. Whether or not the monthly fee is worth it to you varies for all. | |
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| | I Think TiVo is right. Im paying 186 dollars a month
in Canada for a two year old model pace 770 which to
them is "New". I would love to have cable card
so I could have TiVo or a mesa or is it meso. I ve
got a WHS and a wd live. Why cant we have our shows
in our hard drives. In my book 186 dollars a month is far
from FREE for watching some tv. If I didnt have a job
it would all be going back.
yours truly tony | |
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