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| small pipe, pots taxes, and high rates are deal breakers.... it's obvious the loss by telco is obvious why...
small pipe (at&t), high rates (verizon) POTS taxes/fees (both). telcos need to do a better job in competing if they want customers. FIOS & Uverse on their terms (adverse to the customer) just doesn't cut it anymore.. the honeymoon is over. | |
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 |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: small pipe, pots taxes, and high rates are deal breakers.... I agree. The 'main' reason that I picked Cable over Uverse was the bottom line.
TWC: 'All The Best' $89.95 package 6Mbps/512kbps Internet Digital TV Choice or Variety - 1 STB Analog TV (as many sets as I want) VoIP unlimited
AT&T Uverse '30/30/30' = $90 package 3Mbps/1Mbps (competitive) Digital TV U100 - 1 STB VoIP Unlimited
AT&T loses out because of the following: 1. VoIP isn't available yet in SoCal ... STILL. AT&T claimed that they'd sell me POTS for $30, but once you add in all the extra fees imposed on POTS, its not worth it. 2. No analog sets - gotta pay extra for each set. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |  |  Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | Re: small pipe, pots taxes, and high rates are deal breakers.... It is the exact opposite in Hawaii. The best package deal is with Hawaiian Telcom and DSL...I just can't get it. Road Runner and Cable TV and voip (that you still have to have a landline because there is no backup whatsoever for the stupid voip that some folks risk their familie's lives having and that costs a LOT more than landline) are much more expensive. Plus, I don't have a TV although I pay for cable TV bulk rate for our condo. That is not something that can be opted out of. EVEN SO, HawTel com package is a better deal ...even though I pay for cable TV and don't use it.
The bad extra charges are not on a landline. They are for the cable box because you cannot use cable card here and all the other Oceanic TW charges...far more than just a landline which cannot have the price raised every few months like TW does. Much more sensible to go with the landline and dsl if you can get it. -- "The same ferocity that our founders devoted to protect the freedom and independence of the press is now appropriate for our defense of the freedom of the internet. The stakes are the same: the survival of our Republic". Al Gore, The Assault on Reason | |
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 |  | | You can't really blame the telcos for most of those taxes & fees (even though a few of them are totally bogus)--the govt has done a really great job there (/sarcasm). You can, however, blame the telcos for how they've broken them out--something they lobbied for (line items) so as to "prove" just how much your bill is not for actual service, which has had entirely the opposite effect that they wanted. The cablecos bills are quite simpler--few line items. The fact that the cableco phone service makes long distance vs. local irrelevant is also a simplicity factor. Will the telcos learn anything from this? Not likely. Will the govt? Very unlikely. | |
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 |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: small pipe, pots taxes, and high rates are deal breakers.... You can blame the telco for scrapping VoIP (Call Vantage), and not allowing for Uverse Voice in Uverse markets. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: small pipe, pots taxes, and high rates are deal breakers.... Yeah, totally... I didn't mean to imply that there weren't other significantly stupid things that telcos have done... and will do... repeatedly (not that cablecos are exempt from being magnificently stupid, too.  | |
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 DesdinovaPremium join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Hmmm... And despite losing (or at least not gaining new) subscribers, AT&T decides that implementing a metered usage model (at least in Reno) and suggesting that all of their customers might soon have to follow, is a good idea... | |
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 bjbrock join:2002-10-28 Mcalester, OK | Telco's grew up in regulated markets. The government guaranteed them profits. The were treated as utilities. Now they want to act like they got where they are like companies that had to compete for markets - until they realize they don't know how to operate like a true for profit company. They now want to do whatever they want to but expect the government to rein in their competition.
Telco's can't compete, don't know how to compete and will never be able to compete without the government covering their backs. | |
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 | | Make cableco's share their lines! We need this now! | |
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 |  | | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! cant, no public funds were used to build it out. while pots was govt funded and thus the line share req. | |
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 |  hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium join:2001-11-25 Orchard Park, NY kudos:4 | Make You share your case of beer you just purchased with me.
I need this now.
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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 |  |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 4 edits | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! or how about they make you let me use your car. its simple the cable companies used there own money to build the system. the phone company used our money to build the system. hell in pennsylvania we paid verizon like 15 years ago to run fiber to every house and we still dont have it. even tho the cable company could technically tap into that free money they dont. because if they do they then they could be made to share the lines. the telephone companies could do the exact thing and not have to pay the fees. start a cable company or phone ccompany and build it with private funds and guess what. they dont have to share or pay the fees. but with free money also comes regulations of sharing. not sharing is a reward for not taking free money. the fees are just a way for the goverment to get our money back that we all also have to pay. the cable companies are just smarter and dont apply for the money. that way they are not saddled with the extra fees and they dont have to share the lines. once you took what amounts to billions of dollars you simply cant say im done with taking it so i dont want to share. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! said by rody_44: or how about they make you let me use your car. its simple the cable companies used there own money to build the system. the phone company used our money to build the system. hell in pennsylvania we paid verizon like 15 years ago to run fiber to every house and we still dont have it. even tho the cable company could technically tap into that free money they dont. because if they do they then they could be made to share the lines. the telephone companies could do the exact thing and not have to pay the fees. start a cable company or phone ccompany and build it with private funds and guess what. they dont have to share or pay the fees. but with free money also comes regulations of sharing. not sharing is a reward for not taking free money. the fees are just a way for the goverment to get our money back that we all also have to pay. the cable companies are just smarter and dont apply for the money. that way they are not saddled with the extra fees and they dont have to share the lines. once you took what amounts to billions of dollars you simply cant say im done with taking it so i dont want to share. Go ahead and bitch and complain about the USF and how the cablecos built their networks with their own money because that is correct......but they also have always got to choose where they want to build. I can't get cable services of any kind where I live but I can get DSL from VZ due to the phone company (then Contel) having access to that cash. What kind of shape would these cable companies be in if they HAD to supply even basic analog TV service to every living unit that currently has power and phones?
The USF served the purpose it was intended for but I have no idea how it should be handled today. *shrug* | |
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 |  |  |  |  hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium join:2001-11-25 Orchard Park, NY kudos:4 | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! "What kind of shape would these cable companies be in if they HAD to supply even basic analog TV service to every living unit that currently has power and phones?"
The same state Mcndonalds would be if you made them build a franchise on every street, out of business without any government handouts.
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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 |  |  |  |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 2 edits | i didnt bitch, it did indeed serve its purpose. but the fact is the phone companies still take money out of it and the cable companies dont. i was just pointing out why the phone company shares and the cable company doesnt have to. and the fact that there isnt anything unfair about it. the phone company ran that line with our money. we all paid it. whats unfair about making a company share a line that we paid for any how. you talk like its a past tense. the phone companies still apply for and recieve the funds. FWIW, i cant get dsl here and i can get cable. even tho i paid them fees all these years. plus i live in pennsylvania where we also paid verizon like 10 years ago to wire the state with fiber. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! Of course you are able to get cable in your place. Thats the home state of Comcast. How bad would it look if they left people in their own home state out to dry. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium join:2001-11-25 Orchard Park, NY kudos:4 | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! said by ninjatutle:Of course you are able to get cable in your place. Thats the home state of Comcast. How bad would it look if they left people in their own home state out to dry. I lived for many years in the home state of Comcast without any access to cable. Of course I didn't bitch as it would have been a suicidal business decision to try and cable up the small rural area I lived in and made a profit. Yes a profit...Horrible thought eh?
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! Did you have phone lines and paved roads too? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium join:2001-11-25 Orchard Park, NY kudos:4 | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! We Had Phone lines, the road to my house was not paved for about 6 miles.
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 |  |  | | We'll obama is now elected as our next president. He likes sharing stuff. | |
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 |  |  |  hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium join:2001-11-25 Orchard Park, NY kudos:4 | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! said by ninjatutle:We'll obama is now elected as our next president. He likes sharing stuff. Good then I will be right over for my beer
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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 |  |  |  |  watice join:2008-11-01 New York, NY | Re: Make cableco's share their lines! said by hobgoblin:said by ninjatutle:We'll obama is now elected as our next president. He likes sharing stuff. Good then I will be right over for my beer Hob I'll take a Samuel Adams. I gotta get that taste of weed and hooker spit out of my mouth. | |
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 Rob_Premium join:2008-07-16 Mary Esther, FL | Let's not forget Pay Per Byte.. Time Warner is doing this in texas.. ATNT is doing this in Reno..
The Interent Death is at hand if people don't wake up and stand up for this crap. -- »www.cband.info A great way to pass the time! Interactive (IRC) radio you won't find elsewhere! Put Winamp or Itunes to good use and join our growing family | |
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 |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 4 edits | Re: Let's not forget pay for what you use. no problem here with that. let the market determine what that rate is. the USA was built on that theory. the internet will never die. in fact the internet could survive just fine without these people that think they deserve everything for nothing. you know how you dont leave your lights on because it gets expensive. well turn the dam computer off and dont download everything if you cant afford it. i dont want to pay one nickel more because some people want to abuse a service. think about it. im 100 percent for pay for what you use. explain why you think thats wrong. | |
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 | | It's obvious why. Time Warner Cable is one of the best ISPs in the U.S. at this moment. They provide 15/2 Mbps in many markets. I pay $40/month for this service where I live.
They have no bandwidth caps. There is no throttling. Basically, they provide good service and leave us the fuck alone to use it as we desire.
If and when they start instituting these foolish caps they've been trialing in some backwater town in Texas, they can expect their subscriptions to plummet along with AT&T and Verizon. | |
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 |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 4 edits | Re: It's obvious why. na, comcast is the best. they throttle after some ungodly amount but who really cares. not me thats for sure. 16/2 for 43 dollars a month with 50/5 coming this year. very few people reach it and i sure dont care about those that do. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: It's obvious why. said by rody_44: na, comcast is the best. they throttle after some ungodly amount but who really cares. not me thats for sure. 16/2 for 43 dollars a month with 50/5 coming this year. very few people reach it and i sure dont care about those that do. Comcast has 250 GB caps and throttling. Also, they oversell their capacity by ridiculous amounts. I've never been able to get more than half their claimed speed anytime I've used Comcast.
They're shit.
Just because you live in a Comcast area doesn't mean you need to defend those monopolistic shitheads. | |
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 | | Smudging the numbers I have a feeling the cable companies are losing WAY more subs to AT&T and Verizon then theyre admitting. | |
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 |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 4 edits | Re: Smudging the numbers your feeling wrong. its a public company and public info. the amount of subs cant be made up. im sure they are feeling it tho. the problem for the phone company tho is the amount of subscribers they lose on landlines. with fiber they hands down win a braodband war but the problem is people dont give a shit about a broadband war. they care about a package that includes all three at a reasonable cost. and fees add to that cost. at the end of the day the numbers are what the numbers are. the phone companies really are not ready to be primetime tv providers any way. not yet. maybe a year or 2 it might get interesting. but for the forseeable future the cable companies are just going to bury them in all three. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Smudging the numbers Yea, I know , youre right, scandals dont exist in this great country of ours.
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 |  |  |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 1 edit | Re: Smudging the numbers good point, but when your talking about the size of the company i think we can be pretty sure the numbers are accurate. fudge 5 million this year and next year it has to be 10 million. before long your earnings dont add up. sorry i believe the numbers. after all its a wall street company and im pretty sure them guys would see thru the numbers if it was fudged. | |
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| Bury them? Dont make me laugh. Every single day I am PERSONALLY unhooking cable TV STB's and cable modems. Considering I am working 7 days a week, alongside another 120 FiOS installers in my garage alone, all this is hard to swallow. Out of every 100 fiOS installations I do, most of which are triple plays, Id have to say that about 75 of them come off cable, 15 off satellite, and 10 off OTA. | |
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 |  |  |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 3 edits | Re: Smudging the numbers uh look at the numbers. you may be gaining some tv subscribers but your losing how many phone and internet subscribers. your core business was phone and internet. for every tv customer you take the cable companies take 6 phone customers. this quarter comcast is projected to become the biggest phone company out. think about it, the cable company is going to be the biggest phone company. now think about the fact that they really havent lost any tv subscribers doing it. like i said the numbers are what they are and just because you are busy doesnt mean jack. the cable guy can say the same about phone and internet as you say about tv. after thinking about that think about they can say it knowing they are not spewing their core business. the fact is the PHONE COMPANIES ARE BEING BURIED AS WE CHAT. | |
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·Verizon FiOS
1 edit | Re: Smudging the numbers quote: this quarter comcast is projected to become the biggest phone company .
Have you lost your MIND ? Show me an article that says that. Verizon and AT&T are losing landlines but NO CABLE company is nowhere near becoming the biggest phone company. I dont think you understand how many millions upon millions of landlines are still in existance.
quote: for every tv customer you take the cable companies take 6 phone customers.
More bullshit comments with no proof to back it up. Show me the numbers to back that statement up. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA 4 edits | Re: Smudging the numbers might of been wrong about the number one phone company. . but not wrong about them bleeding subs. jsut read the quartelies of phone and cable companies. im pretty sure the 6 land lines to one tv line was very conservative. as a guess ide say verizon has maybe 2 million tops tv subs. att less and just look at the number of phone subs the cable company has. comcast alone has like over 4 million phone and how many high speed modems. 8 to 9 million yet? | |
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 |  | | said by ITALIAN926:I have a feeling the cable companies are losing WAY more subs to AT&T and Verizon then theyre admitting. Their subscriber numbers are reported in compliance of securities law. These filings are black and white. Coloring and shading are not permitted. | |
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