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Time Warner Cable, Cox, Talking Network Swaps
And possibly a larger alliance and ever merger, says sources
by Karl Bode 03:08PM Thursday Sep 16 2010 Tipped by rv65 See Profile
Time Warner Cable and Cox Communications are in talks to swap roughly $2 billion in cable systems, largely in California -- according to Reuters. According to an anonymous source, the carriers have flirted with the idea of "a broader alliance beyond a cable swap," though the report is painfully vague on details. The story also references Time Warner Cable's possible interest in acquiring more Cox networks if "the Cox family decides to exit the cable business." There's no indication that's happening, and you'll recall similar rumors of a Time Warner Cable acquisition of Cablevision have bounced around for years -- with nothing ever happening.

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iansltx

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Austin, TX
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Ugh

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't everyone here prefer Cox to TWC? I mean, at least Cox upgrades their networks once in awhile. TWC...not quite as much. Many areas stop at 15/2 or lower speeds...and rate hikes are everywhere.

tubbynet
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Re: Ugh

said by iansltx:

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't everyone here prefer Cox to TWC? I mean, at least Cox upgrades their networks once in awhile. TWC...not quite as much. Many areas stop at 15/2 or lower speeds...and rate hikes are everywhere.
i have received nothing but great service from cox. there have been small bumps along the way for me in the phoenix area (chandler, mesa, and tempe specifically), but i've always been able to reach the techs through this website and have my issues addressed.
i would be very upset if twc takes over the phoenix market -- especially if qwest can't provide vdsl at my address.

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aztecnology
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Devastating news. When Comcast and TW swapped areas a couple years ago in SoCal everything went to shit.

I hated TW. Lucky for me I moved around the corner to where FiOS was served about a year after...
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elray

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Re: Ugh

said by aztecnology:

Devastating news. When Comcast and TW swapped areas a couple years ago in SoCal everything went to shit.

I hated TW. Lucky for me I moved around the corner to where FiOS was served about a year after...
I've dealt with Cox, TWC, Charter and Comcast.
TWC has, in the past two years, proven to be the best of breed, with Cox a mild second-place, and Comcast trailing as expected.

TW continues to excel for us in a dozen households in LA County - and no, I'm not a fan, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming to sign with them (well, Verizon and AT&T's complete, total, neglectful and arrogant failure to perform helped in several instances.)

en102
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Valencia, CA

Re: Ugh

This reminds me of voting in elections:

Pick the provider (candidate) that you hate the least.
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battleop

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"According to an anonymous source"

/joking on

Heh.. Why not just say we heard this rumor but we can't back it up so when it turns out to be false don't blame us but when it turns out to be true we were right!

/joking off

BillRoland
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Ocala, FL
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Highly unlikely

A merger is highly unlikely. They took Cox private, and Cox has been building a major wireless network rollout. I don't see any indication in the way they are running Cox that they want to dump it off. Not to mention the cable services group for Cox Enterprises is about the only future bright spot, with news media in decline.

They may swap some systems, they may (this is the likely scenario on my mind) swap and share information and technology, but I think a full scale merger is very unrealistic.
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Sammer

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Re: Highly unlikely

said by BillRoland:

Not to mention the cable services group for Cox Enterprises is about the only future bright spot, with news media in decline.

They may swap some systems, they may (this is the likely scenario on my mind) swap and share information and technology, but I think a full scale merger is very unrealistic.
I completely agree unless Cox wants to acquire TWC. Why would the Cox family sell off the crown jewels so to speak and keep the rest. One non-merger possibility is an alliance in dealing (20 Million subscribers is a lot of clout) with the content providers and ever increasing programming costs.
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Cleveland, OH

Cox Cleveland

Cox Cleveland will be one of the first systems to go to TWC. After all they only service that area in Ohio and the rest is TWC. Comcast gave up their markets to TWC during that swap and Adelphia deal. Only would make sense for them to do this as well.

I feel sorry for Cox customers for may have to deal with TWC NEO/WPA
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Re: Cox Cleveland

This is somewhat consistent all over the country. Cox doesn't really "dominate" any one area... they usually have one of the big boys as a neighbor. In So Cal, where Time Warner Cable owns pretty much the southern half of the state, Cox has the San Diego area.. so the same could be said there.

Well, Cox does pretty much dominate Rhode Island, but is there really much to be said about the city of Rhode Island?

AZ_OGM

join:2007-01-12
Phoenix, AZ

Re: Cox Cleveland

Cox does have a huge presence in the Arizona desert. The I-10 corridor from Buckeye to Green Valley is all Cox. We have road runners in the desert, I don't want them running my internet.
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Re: Cox Cleveland

said by AZ_OGM:

Cox does have a huge presence in the Arizona desert. The I-10 corridor from Buckeye to Green Valley is all Cox. We have road runners in the desert, I don't want them running my internet.
hrrmmm

said by fiberguy:

This is somewhat consistent all over the country. Cox doesn't really "dominate" any one area... they usually have one of the big boys as a neighbor. In So Cal, where Time Warner Cable owns pretty much the southern half of the state, Cox has the San Diego area.. so the same could be said there.

Well, Cox does pretty much dominate Rhode Island, but is there really much to be said about the city of Rhode Island?
I love when people come in to point out the typical exception to the rule.

My post/reply was to another arm-chair analyst stating that cox in Ohio would be among the first because they're really out there and all by themselves with no one else around them.... which, as I was saying, is usually the case where ever they serve.

HeresyPgm

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Cleveland, OH
Please, no! I feel very lucky to have Cox around here...

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Orange County

I betcha they would be very interested in the South OC market.... they already have all of Los Angeles and North OC.... South OC would just make that market complete.
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Re: Orange County

TWC would love to have Cox San Diego, as it's right next to TWC San Diego. It's also all SA/Cisco gear, which makes it a rather easy transition.

nope

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Re: Orange County

I dont think Cox will give up SD.. to much sunshine here for them
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

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Re: Orange County

IMHO there's no way Cox will give up SD. All of Orange County is technically in the LA market so it's fair game. As for any future mergers, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Cox tried to gain majority control of TWC.
kd6cae
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Bakersfield, CA

TWC Socal needs to improve big time!

I recently moved from Lancaster, a TWC Socal service area, to Bakersfield, which is served by Brighthouse but still uses the Roadrunner network. TWC is still unwilling to offer anything faster than 15/2 in any Socal service area, while here in Bakersfield, Brighthouse has at least upped the downstream to 20 megabits on it's top tier. How come TWC, which is using the exact same network isn't willing to at least do that much? Just like portions of Bakersfield, Uverse exists with it's 24/3 top package in some areas, and even FIOs has a presence in portions of Socal, yet TWC doesn't want to budge from the top 15/2 offering? Seems odd to me. If Cox were to take over those areas, I'd think Cox may consider upgrading speeds at least, I mean isn't their top tier 20/3 or something like that?

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Re: TWC Socal needs to improve big time!

I don't have a problem with TWC in west OC. 15/2 is the base service, but I burst up to 30mb down and never need more than 2 up regardless. FIOS costs more and TWC gets great pings for me.

That said, Media One still had the best cable network I've ever had and I've missed them for a decade.

belawrence
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Santee, CA

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leave San Diego alone!

One of the factors in my last home search was whether the area was served by Cox or TW. My last home was in TW territory and my current service w/Cox is exponentially better. From much lower pings, available faster speed tiers, to actually running a 800 MHz DOCSIS 3 plant. There are no other HSI providers serving my area - AT&T acts like my mostly middle-class neighborhood doesn't even exist. I have relatives two blocks away who use AT&T DSL, mainly because a family member works for them, and their highest sync rate is 128Kb/64Kb which I hardly consider HSI. When I input my address into AT&T's website to see what services are available from them at my house I get offers for dialup and Wildblue internet via satellite.
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Re: leave San Diego alone!

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bring up a your thought to the city hall council that you wanted a cox cable service be courage to stay in your area and keeps TWC out of the city before too late to make change up in your mind with that negotiate in between TWC and cox cable issues.
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Re: leave San Diego alone!

TWC is virtually equal to all Cox services, they consistently upgrade their products and services in my area. I would have no problem with TWC taking all of San Diego or swapping their San Diego locations for Cox holdings in LA.

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