 | | Ah...OK So that's why my OpenDNS slowed down so much a lot during the week. A lot of TWC people (I'm one of them) were moving over to OpenDNS instead of using their default from TWC. That makes sense now. | |
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 | | OpenDNS quote: Of course switching to OpenDNS temporarily (or permanently, if you like their service) should help users.
In this day and age, it is foolish to use your ISP's DNS servers. | |
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| Re: OpenDNSsaid by Hazy Arc:In this day and age, it is foolish to use your ISP's DNS servers. They work for me:
C:\utils\ns_bench>ns_bench 68.94.156.1 68.94.157.1 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220
4.2.2.1 4.2.2.3
Nameserver Response Time (ms)
min/avg/max/stdev/retries
68.94.156.1 12.17/12.62/13.38/0.44/0
68.94.157.1 12.32/14.32/21.39/3.54/0
208.67.222.222 14.05/14.69/16.05/0.71/0
208.67.220.220 13.89/14.08/14.27/0.15/0
4.2.2.1 14.60/15.20/15.59/0.43/0
4.2.2.3 13.89/14.51/15.15/0.53/0
First pair are ATTIS, which are assigned to my connection by 'at&t Yahoo! HSI'.
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 |  SLDPremium join:2002-04-17 San Francisco, CA | Just like using your ISPs email service. | |
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 |  |  NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 | Re: OpenDNS Not quite. | |
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 |  |  |  maartenaElmoPremium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA kudos:1 | Re: OpenDNS Until they get bought out, or you move outside of their territory, after which you get to update your family and friends with a new email address.
ISP-independent email ftw  | |
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1 edit | Re: OpenDNS The comment was about using another DNS provider be the same as using another email provider. It is not quite the same thing, no matter how you cut, slice, or dice it.
Whether you use your ISP's DNS, or not, is more a matter of whether your ISP's DNS servers are doing the job, or not. If their DNS is broken, you will have trouble accessing the Internet.
Whether you use your ISP's email, or not, is a matter of personal convenience (unless the ISP email is as broken as the ISP DNS).
Neither my ISP DNS servers, nor my ISP email give me any grief (I've had more grief from third party email service providers than my ISP email).
I use my ISP's DNS servers because they work as well as any other DNS servers.
I don't use my ISP's email because it is inconvenient to be tied to them by the email domain.
So my assessment stand: "Not quite the same".
P.S. My ISP (Pacific Bell) was bought! My ISP email address is still <%User_ID%@pacbell.net>. Road Runner did not do as Comcast did in their respective Adephia buyouts (former Adelphia users with the same User_ID as Comcast users, had to sign up an email address with a new User_ID name, not just a new domain. Not so with Road Runner).
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 zed260Premium join:2007-09-30 Cleveland, TN kudos:1 | persoanly i use 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 as my dns best dns i know of | |
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| Re: persoanly4.2.2.2 has not worked for me for a couple of weeks, now:
C:\utils\ns_bench>ns_bench 68.94.156.1 68.94.157.1 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220
4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2
Nameserver Response Time (ms)
min/avg/max/stdev/retries
68.94.156.1 11.94/14.03/18.49/2.37/0
68.94.157.1 11.90/12.49/13.23/0.47/0
208.67.222.222 13.94/14.34/15.17/0.45/0
208.67.220.220 13.47/13.93/14.53/0.35/0
4.2.2.1 13.69/14.24/15.02/0.46/0
4.2.2.2 failed
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battleop@toybox4:~$ nslookup > server 4.2.2.2 Default server: 4.2.2.2 Address: 4.2.2.2#53 > google.com Server: 4.2.2.2 Address: 4.2.2.2#53
Non-authoritative answer: Name: google.com Address: 209.85.171.100 Name: google.com Address: 74.125.45.100 Name: google.com Address: 74.125.67.100 > dslreports.com Server: 4.2.2.2 Address: 4.2.2.2#53
Non-authoritative answer: Name: dslreports.com Address: 209.123.109.175 | |
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| Re: persoanly said by battleop:4.2.2.2 still works. There may be a problem else where. Maybe an ACL, or just some local Level 3 issue. Their DNS servers, and they use "Anycast" on their DNS servers.
Not really a problem for me, just an observation. All three DNS providers, ATTIS (my ISP), OpenDNS, and Level 3 are using "Anycast", and all three ping within 12 ms of my location. The 'ns_bench' test generally shows a slight edge to the ATTIS DNS servers, so I only use the others for experimenting. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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such as 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.3 (level 3 DNS)
(NOTE: you shouldn't have to opt out of open dns's plans to redirect you, it should be off by default, not everyone comes to this site and learns)
-Rob -- Our 96K BroadBandStream Our Dial Up Stream Chat with us (IRC) follow me on Twitter | |
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| Re: Open DNS = EVIL said by Rob_:(NOTE: you shouldn't have to opt out of open dns's plans to redirect you, it should be off by default, not everyone comes to this site and learns) The revenue model for OpenDNS requires that redirection be on by default. How would they cover the cost of operation if they didn't generate ad revenue by redirection? -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.3 have worked for me for a very long time with no hiccups | |
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| Re: Open DNS = EVILsaid by rcm:level 3 dns for the win Depends:
C:\utils\ns_bench>ns_bench 68.94.156.1 68.94.157.1 4.2.2.2 4.2.2.3
Nameserver Response Time (ms)
min/avg/max/stdev/retries
68.94.156.1 11.91/12.32/12.71/0.27/0
68.94.157.1 12.49/12.76/13.18/0.24/0
4.2.2.2 failed
4.2.2.3 13.26/13.89/14.22/0.34/0
ATTIS seems to work better for me.
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| I have used level 3 also...I assume for the same reasons the address is easy to remember..but I do wonder...what does Level 3 think of all the users that bootleg there dns for free??....I wonder why they are still open..... -- There are 10 types of people. Those who can read Binary and those who cannot. | |
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| Re: Open DNS = EVIL Or, you know, I can use my ISPs DNS servers which happen not to do this OR when the time comes run my own.
No reason anyone technically inclined should be using OpenDNS. -- Xenophase - British Columbia's premier online gaming community. | |
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1 edit | Re: Open DNS = EVIL said by pfak:No reason anyone technically inclined should be using OpenDNS. No reason not to, either; unless you just don't like them. But then, you probably shouldn't use Gmail, or Microsoft, either. Especially if you don't like them.
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| said by pfak:No reason anyone technically inclined should be using OpenDNS. Technical inclination is irrelevant. Free parental controls and other security features make OpenDNS a valuable one-stop shopping for many, including myself.
If you have a strong objection to OpenDNS because of their revenue model, that is understandable and respectable but state it as such. Trying to disguise this objection as something based on one's technical inclination is disingenuous. | |
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 | | dreamhost webhosting affected too! taken from »www.dreamhoststatus.com/
quote: Our DNS servers are currently running slowly/failing to do lookups. This is causing some of our sites to resolve slowly or not at all. Our admin team is working on the issue right now. More updates to come.
Update: We are experiencing a DNS flood to our primary DNS servers which has stopped for now but the admin team is continuing to investigate so that we can attempt to avoid and further issues related to this incident. We apologize for the inconvenience!
Update: We have found the source of the problem. It looks like there is a windows trojan going around that attempted to make contact with a domain that is pointing to our nameservers, but isnt actually being hosted by us (was likely an old customer that removed it from hosting, but didnt change the nameservers to point away from us). This caused the flood of traffic to come in and overwhelm our DNS servers. You can find more information about this trojan here:
»www.sophos.com/security/analyses···taa.html
Unfortunately, DNS attacks are nearly impossible to stop if theyre well crafted. In this case, all of the traffic is perfectly legitimate and theres nothing special about the packets that any protection system could really block. We are in contact with verisign (the registrar of that domain) now to try and stop this domain from pointing to our nameservers and are doing everything we can on our end to resolve this issue.
Update: This issue should now be resolved, as weve been able to filter out traffic for the offending domain, and send it to the bit bucket! We havent seen a surge in DNS traffic since 02:20pm PST, so things are in the clear!
Update: Unfortunately, we are still being attacked sporadically even after blocking this virus and are still investigating the issue. We are not the only ones being affected by this. Time Warner cable is also suffering from this as well:
»arstechnica.com/security/news/20···vice.ars
Were doing all that we can to resolve this issue, but since its out of our control theres only so much we can do.
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 | | Attack is Justified Time Warner Executives are subverting visa laws by allowing foreign operatives to displace American workers using WebX. WebX allows foreign operatives to work from another nation and replace most any job in their organization without conforming to Visa laws.
Thus Executives and the CEO is able to enrich themselves while putting another American Family on the street. They are quite calculated in their search for profits and know no mercy or social responsibility.
I support the hacker attack on Time Warner Executives because of their unscrupulous and unconventional war tactics that they wage on American employees.
I hope the attacks intensify because it is the only way to help American families feed their children. We need the jobs here on American soil. When the Executives stop waging unconventional warfare on their employees I expect the attacks to diminish.
If TW CEOs and Executives continue to wage unconventional warfare against their employees then I will cancel my service. | |
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Time Warner Executives are subverting visa laws by allowing foreign operatives to displace American workers using WebX. WebX allows foreign operatives to work from another nation and replace most any job in their organization without conforming to Visa laws. So is the U.S. Government. Thanks to Bush's little wars they are using AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS, to contract work for the U.S. military to foreigners. This includes but is not limited to the building/demolishing of military camps, shipping of military supplies to/from Iraq, production of VITAL military hardware, etc.
As a matter of fact, Senators McCain, Brownback and Roberts were supporters of, and pushed for an amendmend that would change a law that required "buy american" for the government. And sure enough it passed in 2003.
Fast forward 6 years later, and we are outsourcing our wars, and losing them. | |
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Just put this in to your DNSmasq options box and reset your modem.
## Extended DNS setup all-servers domain-needed filterwin2k bogus-priv stop-dns-rebind
# Kill DNS redirection by TWC for unknown domains bogus-nxdomain=208.67.219.132
# Local DNS GUI option enabled = Use ISP DNS servers received through DHCP in addition to DNS servers below.
## Additional DNS servers # Level3 AnyCast DNS servers server=209.244.0.3 server=4.2.2.2
# Speakeasy DNS servers server=64.81.45.2 server=64.81.79.2
# OpenDNS AnyCast DNS servers server=208.67.222.222 server=208.67.220.220
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Should read: # Kill DNS redirection by OpenDNS for unknown domains bogus-nxdomain=208.67.219.132 | |
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while this last week on TimeWarner was very bad with every website timing out / failing to connect using their dns servers. the only website I could get to was google ,using google seach and the google cache feature was the only way I can connect with other webpages on the internet.
thats how I found dslreports mention of timewarners problems and a possible solution by changing dns servers to open dns.
I just started using open dns yesterday, while things have gotten better, I still have difficulty connecting to websites. with 30% of my attempts still timing out. you may thing thats still crap but its actually just a little worse than timewarner over all of last year. | |
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Nameserver Response Time (ms)
min/avg/max/stdev/retries
66.75.160.63 64.00/65.60/68.00/1.36/0
66.75.160.64 64.00/64.80/66.00/0.75/0
208.67.222.222 29.00/31.80/38.00/3.19/0
208.67.220.220 23.00/24.00/25.00/0.63/0
4.2.2.1 14.00/15.80/18.00/1.47/0
4.2.2.2 15.00/16.40/21.00/2.33/0
4.2.2.3 14.00/15.00/18.00/1.55/0
4.2.2.4 13.00/14.60/16.00/1.20/0
4.2.2.5 12.00/14.20/16.00/1.47/0
4.2.2.6 13.00/15.60/18.00/1.62/0
So... yes the RR DNS servers are comparably slow in South California. I'm using OpenDNS but I'll have to try Level 3. | |
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