Time Warner Cable: DOCSIS 3.0 'Soon' Except NYC appears to be the only launch market in 2009 Speaking to stock jocks about the company's earnings on yesterday's earnings conference call, Time Warner Cable COO Landel Hobbs stated that the company would be deploying faster DOCSIS 3.0 speeds this summer. Confirming reports we've heard from Cisco engineers familiar with the deployments, Time Warner Cable is already testing DOC 3.0 gear in NYC, which appears to be their only launch market in 2009: In advance of our launch of DOCSIS 3.0 we have installed new CMTS equipment in Manhattan. To date, we have been testing at speeds as high as 138 down and 18 up. The system works great. We don't expect to offer speeds this fast initially but this demonstrates we will be fully capable of meeting our customer's need for speed for the foreseeable future. NYC coverage will begin this summer and "completed by year-end," says Hobbs. The carrier says that further DOCSIS 3.0 deployments will be "surgical" in nature. That's code for targeting areas where the company faces competition from Verizon FiOS, and can't get away with nursing last-generation infrastructure. According to Hobbs, the company faces telcoTV competition in 22% of its footprint; 15% AT&T U-Verse and 7% Verizon FiOS. Verizon just signed a franchise agreement to wire all of New York City by 2014 with FiOS, making NYC an upgrade priority. With just 7% of their footprint impacted by FiOS, and AT&T exploring metered billing themselves, you can see why Time Warner Cable isn't in a particular rush, and why they weren't particularly worried about customer defections during their recent failed attempt to hoist metered billing upon a skeptical public. So what about pricing for the tier, should you be in one of the fortunately competitive areas? During the metered billing kerfuffle, Time Warner Cable suggested they'd be unveiling a new 50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 tier for $99, though that pricing may change as the carrier licks their wounds and designs a new battle plan after their recent PR disaster.
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|  DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Never forget They want you to pay an arm and 2 legs per gig they will try Metered billing abain so be ready and just avoid them | |
| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | where else? Where else would TWC have deployed DOCSIS 3 other than NYC? If it was going to do it at all, it was going to be NYC. | |
|  | | | Re: where else? I'd say SoCal since they are surrounded by AT&T & Verizon... | |
| | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: where else? Surrounded isn't enough. If you have FIOS next door, it doesn't affect you, if you have muni broadband next door, it doesn't affect you. Coterminous is the right word. Uverse isn't competitive with DOCSIS 2 as it is (compare Uverse to Cablevision's speed tiers). I don't know how rural/ex-rural VZ Socal area is, and how much population is has, and how much TWC serves it. Uverse areas would be one of the last to get DOCSIS 3. | |
| | | | | | Re: where else? said by patcat88:Surrounded isn't enough. If you have FIOS next door, it doesn't affect you, if you have muni broadband next door, it doesn't affect you. Coterminous is the right word. Uverse isn't competitive with DOCSIS 2 as it is (compare Uverse to Cablevision's speed tiers). I don't know how rural/ex-rural VZ Socal area is, and how much population is has, and how much TWC serves it. Uverse areas would be one of the last to get DOCSIS 3. Most of it is not rural, and wouldn't having fios in the neighborhood be exactly the areas where they would implement first...?
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| | | | said by aztecnology:I'd say SoCal since they are surrounded by AT&T & Verizon... I wouldn't think so, they just "upgraded" their network last year to support speeds above 5/364. I got bumped up to ~7/1, but 4 months later it went back to 5/364. I called in and was pretty much told by any supervisor I could get a hold of "what network upgrades?". | |
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|  60127178K.U. Sweet 16Premium
join:2001-02-15
Wichita, KS
kudos:1 | Some of Kansas City is wired by both TW and Surewest, along with Uverse...but I do not think they will make KC a D3 market. | |
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| | Yep Docsis 3.0 with a 40 g cap got to love it. | |
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| DOCSIS 3 I'm just afraid to see what my cable bill will be like once DOCSIS 3 is out. My bill is already so inflated paying 49.95 for 10Mbps down, 512kbps up. Imagine what they will charge for say 25Mbps down...yikes! Verizon has started working on my neighborhood.....one foot out of TW's door! | |
| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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·Comcast
| Re: DOCSIS 3 While your upload speed does suck, I'm paying $65 for 8/2 here  . Then again, back home in town TWC inexplicably offers 15/2 with download PowerBoost for $50/month, though there's really no competition in the area.
Funny how in NC, in an area where Embarq has 640k+ upload on most of their tiers, TWC has decided to continue sitting at 10/512 for the highest tier. | |
| | | | | Re: DOCSIS 3 Yeah, our decade old upload speeds have never changed in the 10 or so years the service has been available here.
I have this theory that NC is TW's little psychological experiment on the public, seeing how long people will put up with sluggish 384-512K upload speeds before people crack and mass hysteria erupts and the crime rate suddenly spikes.
I mean seriously... You try spending 6-7 hours uploading a rather normal amount of high resolution vacation pictures to shutterfly... Meanwhile, the internet is unusable because when the upstream gets hosed, so does the downstream, and pages that took a second to load suddenly take 30+.
It's enough to drive most people completely insane. We've had AT&T U-verse available here now for about 5 months, and still no change in upload speeds from TW. | |
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| | | Yeah Verizon is on the Flushing mode now. Big urban population. Yet is still missing other parts like mine. | |
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 rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| Surgical Deployment In Manhattan it means buildings under construction, high rise residential buildings and upscale or middle class "neighborhoods" like Peter Cooper or Sty Town. Small areas with a lot of tenants. They tend to bypass entire neighborhoods where most Manhattan dwellers live. 4, 5 story buildings and 18 to 24 units per building saying it's to hard to do the whole block. They don't want to spend the money. One high rise can have 100 units. Verizon Fios does the same thing. Most Manhattan residents won't be seeing this very soon. They run the line underground in the sewers and it runs by whole blocks and neighborhoods. When they introduced Road Runner the Lower East Side, East Village where I am was one of the last areas to get service. I wouldn't be surprised if the faster road runner isn't here for a while and Fios very close to if not 2014. | |
| |  nycdavePremium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:7 | Re: Surgical Deployment said by rit56:In Manhattan it means buildings under construction, high rise residential buildings and upscale or middle class "neighborhoods" like Peter Cooper or Sty Town. Small areas with a lot of tenants. They tend to bypass entire neighborhoods where most Manhattan dwellers live. 4, 5 story buildings and 18 to 24 units per building saying it's to hard to do the whole block. They don't want to spend the money. One high rise can have 100 units. Verizon Fios does the same thing. Most Manhattan residents won't be seeing this very soon. They run the line underground in the sewers and it runs by whole blocks and neighborhoods. When they introduced Road Runner the Lower East Side, East Village where I am was one of the last areas to get service. I wouldn't be surprised if the faster road runner isn't here for a while and Fios very close to if not 2014. Fiber is not deployed in the sewers in Manhattan - Verizon has its own conduits provided by Verizon subsidiary company ECS (Empire City Subway). ECS provides the fiber conduits, so the FiOS fiber is run through those dedicated conduits. And the Lower East Side is mostly fed from the 2nd Ave. CO, which has had FiOS equipment installed since 2006. Your area might not be wired yet, but the CO is live. | |
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1 edit | Re: Surgical Deployment FIOS is in process as is Docsis 3.0. The thing about Docsis 3.0 is the date keeps getting push back. Docsis 3.0 was announced ages ago and has been in play for awhile.
The good news here is 3.0 8channel is more likely to be used since Docsis 3.0 has not been deployed.
I think Time Warner themselves know that Docsis 3.0 is not really up to par with FIOS and kinda waited out the technology to see how long it will improve and develop in the labs.
As having RCN, Time Warner Cable here as well as DSL options, I can say that Time Warner Cable is the best one can get in my area. | |
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|  jsz0Premium
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT | DOCSIS3 doesn't actually require any plant upgrades. If these buildings have cable Internet service now they are good to go. If they didn't have the free channel space they'd probably just drop some analog channels to make room. The one area D3 would require plant upgrades is upstream. Going from QAM16->QAM64 for example. That's mostly cleanup work. | |
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
·AT&T U-Verse
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1 edit | Of course NY. It's the city where Verizon announced it would have FIOS to everyone by 2014 or so....
The problem with DOCSIS 3.0 is that the speeds you can reach with it, also cost an arm and a leg. My budget for Internet is about $50, and thats just about what I pay right now for 15/2.
I am not paying $99 a month for internet, even if it is 100/10 or something like that. Not unless I got a big fat pay increase which isn't likely soon.
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| | DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: Of course NY. well if you get a D3 modem and pay for D2 speeds it'll help lower congestion and you'll have a better experiance | |
| | | | Well, if it is very important to you, you could always get a second job. That would surely earn you the extra $50 a month needed for the higher speed service. | |
| | | maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Of course NY. said by EricGT :
Well, if it is very important to you, you could always get a second job. That would surely earn you the extra $50 a month needed for the higher speed service.
A second job for internet? 
Gimme a break. I'm quite happy with my 15/2, and don't need anymore right now. | |
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| | 2014 Verizon says all of NYC wired by 2014? Yeah, okay. What Time Warner has to do if they want to be taken seriously is to cut the B.S with the caps and offer Cablevision's speeds. CV may be ghetto but at least unlike TWC and Comcrap, they don't consider their customers criminals and implement caps on their services | |
| | DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: 2014 and to deploy D3 is just a CMTS upgrade and cable modem upgrade=(easy to do)
where as FIOS is new wire=(lots of work to do) | |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | With speeds as hgh at 138 Mbps You can hit your 40 GB monthly cap in only 40 minutes! | |
| | DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: With speeds as hgh at 138 Mbps nice a gig a minute
with that speed you could reach comcast's in just over 4 hours | |
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 antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
kudos:2 | Bah. I am fine with the current version that have no caps and little problems. | |
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| % of FIOS in NYC? How much of the TWC footprint is now overlaid with Verizon FIOS now? Better still, how much will be by the time twc gets around to releasing a docsis 3 broadband tier?
Will anyone care? The hotter news is Cablevision vs Verizon @ the 101/15 vs the 50/20 tier (for about the same price). | |
| | | | Re: % of FIOS in NYC? I'd take 50/20 over 101/15 anyday. | |
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| Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
1 edit | Bla bla 3.0 Docsis bla bla. Yeah whatever some "3" number. Uh hu.
My cable was turned off because of past-due balance. By cable, I mean Internet, and not TV as they refer to it. I asked "what are the rates of the various speed levels? Top to bottom." I thought I had the highest rate, and wondered if there was a lower rate to save money. She said "well, the fastest is our Extreme, at $139 per month, which is 50mbit/s download." (She never mentioned it is 10mbit/s upload.) I was taken aback (surprised it was available, she knew about it, its cost, I hadn't heard of it, didn't have it, and etc.), but proceeded to settle my account in some way to get my cable (Internet) back.
So, I went into the in-person shop they have locally to handle a bunch of that business (turning in TV equipment, handing over money, changing service levels), and at that time, was prepared to upgrade to their "Extreme" product. Yes, it's pricey. I recently chipped away at my $475 bill (after over a month with the service) with a $275 plunk-down, only to realize that my next bill will still say $350 on it, but no matter, I knew what I was getting into.
On the product execution side, once we got it working, it is great. It really is, actually, very fast, compared to the sort of normalish mediocre speeds of yesteryear I was still used to -- although that "blast" did give some reprieve.
Now, though, I look at big downloads like "wheeeee!!" like they're a ride at a fair (and I hate fairs, but this is fun). I recently bought a printer, and didn't realize Linux doesn't support it. I thought I'd try vmware server, and that caused about 5 gig of downloads to commence. Every big download was click, relax in my chair for a few seconds, then deal with the file. Half the time copying the file inside my computer takes longer than the transfer. Well, within less than a day, I had everything up and running with the new printer, and working great (using my Windows 2000 inside vmware, which is what I tried, and it worked). The Internet never got in the way during that process. The bottlenecks were always my middle-aged computer's CPU and memory (memory maxed at 4GB). Disk space is healthy at a few T's spinin' round but slow (CPU and bus bound), and the CPU chugs along healthily but slowish (AMD64, but good enough for good AV). But that internet speed? A consistent 5MegaBytes/second inbound transfer or more, and 1MegaBytes/second outbound whenever I find the bytes flowing the other way, which isn't often, but it happens often enough to be pleased by not waiting for it, like uploading data to my boss, mom, or whomever else.
Simply gone are the days of waiting for the Internet to speed up.
So, DOCSIS 3.0? Yeah, I like those blue lights. Yummy. Wish you had them too, Time Warner, so we could all be happier.
Edit: Did I mention I don't ever come to DSLReports.Com any more to look at the FiOS forums in jealousy? I simply don't! I'm (1) not jealous any more (duh), and (2) have what I was pining for all along. Oh yeah, I'd love to have FiOS, but I'm loving having DOCSIS 3.0 a fiber width's amount less than I would having FiOS, because the delivered product is just the same. Yes, I know, DOCSIS 3.0 is a very capable and reasonable upgrade of existant plant, but the future of fiber can go way, way, way futher, but for now, what we have today, DOCSIS 3.0 is at par with what the fiber-to-the-home companies are delivering in terms of Internet speeds.
Since my only TV programs are House MD and Merlin (BBC) and for news I only listen to radio and read Internet, I no longer need TV cable type stuff, and can't afford an HDTV anyway, so the superiority of fiber-to-the-home television delivery is academic for me at the present, and in practice, AT&T simply won't be challenging Comcast with fiber to the home product superiority any time soon (as in they don't even have it). And that third thing Comcast and AT&T sell? Uh, what is it? Oh yeah, telephone. Hum. I have been very happy with my pay-as-you-go and unlimited VOIP accounts with small Asterisk-based providers for over a year now, although I admit, it is a chore to get going, and not nearly as capable as it ought to be. But I love those prices! Around $100-$200 per year for all the VOIP stuff, with one big exception: it practically requires DSL to work right (to a particular provider which handles those packets decently enough), which I have, and adds a whole WHOLE lot more to the bill ($25/month). Oh well. (I sometimes think about tinkering with that Comcast Internet to see if I can wrench my own VOIP into it, but I doubt it will work, since after all, they do anti-competition stuff ALL the time in their networks.)
But as to the junk about docsis 3.0 shut up already sheesh what the heck do they think it's so great for, well, I learned in the wild that it really does make a difference, and smile whenever I see the Internet not in my way. | |
| |  pspcrazyAnime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | Re: Bla bla 3.0 Docsis bla bla. Curse you for crushing my dreams of thinking for a sec you were talking about twc and not comcast. I hate you  | |
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| in other news.. Time Warner is back on the broadcast tv airwaves with $29.95 triple play plans again.. must be hurting for subscribers.. normally it's $33 or higher each in bundles until subscribership falls then it's back on the bandwagon.
not to be outdone.. Verizon dropped their $94.99 triple play plan down to $89.99+taxes & fees (limited time only, get it while it's hot//sarcasm) just in time for Cablevision's Optimum Online 101/15 plan for $99
wake me up when real competition begins.
thank you | |
| | | | what is the best deal now? I am moving to Williamsburg, what is the best bundled deal, best service etc? Verizon, TWC or Optimum? | |
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