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Time Warner Cable Eyes Cox, Cablevision Acquisitions
Would Rather Acquire Than Be Acquired by Charter
by Karl Bode 05:19PM Monday Jul 01 2013
Anonymous sources tell Reuters that Time Warner Cable has reached out to both Cox and Cablevision concerning potential mergers, though that same source insists that neither companies are willing to sell just yet. The source states that Time Warner Cable would rather expand through additional acquisitions than be acquired by Charter, something John Malone (who now has a 27% stake in Charter) is rumored to be highly interested in. Rumors of a Time Warner Cable acquisition of Cablevision have long been an industry mainstay, though those rumors have intensified of late due to some struggling at Cablevision alongside heavy executive reshuffling.

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tellie33401

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john malone

he back at the cable game again?

didnt we get enough of him when he became part of AT&T Broadband after they bought TCI

ohreally

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Re: john malone

said by tellie33401 :

he back at the cable game again?

didnt we get enough of him when he became part of AT&T Broadband after they bought TCI

Liberty Global (his company) is quite big in Europe and has been for years. They own networks in a ton of European countries and have recently closed a deal to buy the UK's major cable company.

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Acquired By Charter?

How in the heck could Charter acquire a company of TWs size? TW is bigger than Charter as it is arent they? That sounds completely silly.
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Bamafan2277

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Re: Acquired By Charter?

Actually Time Warner and Charter are pretty compairable in size when it comes down to the numbers. Another post about them merging last week had more details and they were pretty close.

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Re: Acquired By Charter?

said by Bamafan2277:

Actually Time Warner and Charter are pretty compairable in size when it comes down to the numbers. Another post about them merging last week had more details and they were pretty close.

That article said TW had about 12 million subs to Charters 4 million. Quite a size difference subscriber wise and I dont think Charter could take on that amount of new subscribers at once, at least very efficiently.
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TBBroadband

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Re: Acquired By Charter?

Actually it wouldn't be hard for them. They could use the TWC system for support and their call centers until they could merge everything in. The only thing that would be a pain would be the RDCs and the RR back bone- since TWC is still using that along with BrightHouse. Charter would have to absorb that or spin/sell it off.
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Re: Acquired By Charter?

What do you mean the RDCs and RR backbone would be a pain? TWC owns all of that, they have for years. RR has not been a separate company for over a decade.

If Charter acquires TWC, they get everything. RR and its facilities are not a separate entity, there isn't even technically RR anymore. TWC killed that off over a year ago.

IowaCowboy
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The last thing I would want is Charter at my Grandma's house in Biddeford. Where I live some of the neighboring towns are served by Charter and the locals consider them worse than Comcast. Fortunately I am served by Comcast but I'd rather have Time Warner.

Hopefully Glen Britt has a golden parachute.
iansltx

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Re: Acquired By Charter?

Do you want the availability of higher upload speeds than 5 Mbps? Then you want Comcast, now TWC. I've had both, and while both have their issues, at least Comcast invests heavily in infrastructure. TWC? Not quite as much.
MURICA

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Re: Acquired By Charter?

Not if they have caps. Fuck Comcap.

I'll take my uncapped 5 Mbps over Comcap's capped garbage any day.

As it stands now I can upload ~1.8 terabytes of data in one month on my Time Warner residential connection with its uncapped 5 Mbps upload if I keep it saturated 24/7.

I bet Comcast would throw a shitfit if I tried to do that on one of their connections.
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Re: Acquired By Charter?

Other than Tucson and Nashville, Comcast hasn't had caps on their service in awhile.

Also, do you actually push anywhere close to your 1.8 TB over your 5 Mbps up? I've hit 750GB on a Comcast connection and haven't heard a peep out of 'em. Granted, I've done 350GB on TWC a few times now and the same has (not) happened, but Comcast's cap, except in those two markets, has been soft.
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Actually if you brought down your node, and people complained and they traced it back to you- it wouldn't be so unlimited at that time. TWC does have a clause in their AUP/TOS on both their end and the RR RDC side that says they can in fact limit you if they feel the need or you bring down the network. No limits are given to what the usage would be.

And on a residential connection; yes those companies would have the right to complain if it was not clear up front that you are clearly a heavy user. In fact- Charter would complain unless you obtained a reseller that has access to their Network. Comcast also has resellers/wholesalers that would not care as the residential accounts are tagged as a Business account but without normally the high prices and 3 year contracts.

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said by iansltx:

Do you want the availability of higher upload speeds than 5 Mbps? Then you want Comcast, now TWC. I've had both, and while both have their issues, at least Comcast invests heavily in infrastructure. TWC? Not quite as much.

Also if TWC buys CV, it will replace the CV speeds and prices with the TWC from hunger speeds and higher prices. You pay more and get less with TWC compared to CV. CV's basic tier is faster and cheaper than TWC's top tier.
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Re: Acquired By Charter?

Not quite, but close. CV's basic tier is 15/5. Same download as TWC basic, but as much upload as its top tier. CV's midrange tier, however, matches TWC on downloads for its highest tier (outside Dallas and KC) and runs circles around it on uploads.

Not that I don't agree with you. But let's keep our facts straight

RARPSL

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Re: Acquired By Charter?

said by iansltx:

Not quite, but close. CV's basic tier is 15/5. Same download as TWC basic, but as much upload as its top tier. CV's midrange tier, however, matches TWC on downloads for its highest tier (outside Dallas and KC) and runs circles around it on uploads.

Not that I don't agree with you. But let's keep our facts straight

The only source I could find listing speeds and prices for TWC NYC is »www.timewarnercablespecial.com/N···net.html. Based on this I see that it is Standard not Basic that matches the CV standard tier (there are two slower/cheaper tiers of which Basic at 3/1 is the faster). TWC's Standard is the same price but MUCH slower on the upload (1 Mbps vs. CV's 5Mbps [after the recent speed bump]). There are then 2 faster intermediate tiers before you get to TWC Ultimate (50/5) that is their Boost+ equivalent which is slower on the upload and more expensive than B+.

Talking about the prices, the rates on that page are 12 month intro prices with the REAL prices not shown and thus even higher than CV.

Thus I think that my comment about the speed downgrade and price increase result if TWC subsumed CV were accurate. Now that I see numbers, I think I was understating the bad news about the result. If you have CV Ultra (a non existent equivalent tier on TWC at least in NYC) or if/when the claimed B+ and U speed bumps occur the situation becomes even worse.
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Hey, CenturyLink did it with Embarq and then Qwest.

TelecomEng

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Say it ain't so...

As someone who has been both a Cox and TWC customer and employee, I hope for all of my friends, family and colleagues in the Cox systems that TWC does not acquire them. The companies have to widely different approaches to doing things and running their networks. It would not be the end of the world, but it would not be a change for the positive for Cox customers.
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Re: Say it ain't so...

I attempted to cut the cord once already, but I'll FORCE myself to do it if TWC acquires Cox.
TBBroadband

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Re: Say it ain't so...

switch to a reseller and get better services.

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Re: Say it ain't so...

said by TBBroadband:

switch to a reseller and get better services.

then you get all the fingerpointing when issues arise and nothing gets fixed.
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Why Cox?

Why would they want to acquire Cox? I love Cox and I think the company is doing great (based on user reviews). Why change now?

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Re: Why Cox?

Cox is privately owned and would be easier to merge with since you wouldn't have to get approval from pesky shareholders.

MarkRH
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Re: Why Cox?

I hope not. I like Cox. That would be like Budweiser selling themselves out to that foreign conglomerate (feeling wise). But, if you wave enough dollars around, everyone has their price.

jchambers28

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The cox family is getting older they want to sell before they pass on.
smcallah

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Didn't you just answer your own question?

Why would they want to acquire Cox? I imagine because people love Cox and the company is doing great.

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The day my market is taken over by TWC...

...is the day I cancel.
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limegrass69
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Noooo!!!

Stay away from Cablevision!! We are fine without TW's nickel and dime BS! Modem rental fee?? No thanks.

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Just moved to Cablevision territory

I just moved to a CV area. I would hate to go from CV's higher speeds, more channels, and better service, to TW's lower capped speeds and higher prices. TW stay out, we love CV as it is. We border a Comcast area and would rather have Comcast then TW if CV sells out.
Rekrul

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The reason for this is obvious...

The reason for this is obvious; Cablevision provides fairly decent service, which makes TWC look bad. So they need to buy Cablevision and turn it into crap in order to ensure that all cable ISPs suck equally as much.
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Re: The reason for this is obvious...

said by Rekrul:

The reason for this is obvious; Cablevision provides fairly decent service, which makes TWC look bad. So they need to buy Cablevision and turn it into crap in order to ensure that all cable ISPs suck equally as much.

All the quicker for the state public utility commissions to regulate cable isp's as a "UTILITY" to guarantee prices, and quality of service..

Nevertheless, because of the glacial pace of innovation, competition and upgrades-- any cable providers in the northeast are not going to end up getting regulatory approval for consolidation. Comcast buying NBC barely squeeked by.. and there is no more air left in the public interest being strangled today by lack of competition as it is. The public has every right to be hostile to any more LARGE ISPs consolidatin-- be it cable OR telco.
smcallah

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Re: The reason for this is obvious...

Comcast acquiring NBC is not at all the same thing as a smaller cable company acquiring an even smaller cable company.
andrewc2

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And how would we go about convincing the PUC's to regulate cable? State Legislature? Contacting the PUC direct? Congress? FCC?
Matt7

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Take over by Cox or Comcast..


If I had any say I wouldn't mind TW being taken over by Comcast or Cox.. at least Comcast and Cox believe in higher upstream... Time Warner seems to think 1 mb, 2mb and 5mb are "more than anyone ever needs"

DAOWAce

join:2006-10-25
Flanders, NJ

Terrible, terrible situation

If TWC steps on CV then I sure hope there's mass riots to get Verizon to continue to wire FiOS in areas where they left out some people (like myself).

3 years and counting that FiOS has been available down the street.. 3 years and counting that I've wished I had their service.

dvd536
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OH HELL NO!

if TWC acquired cox, that would be the push id need to totally cut the cord.
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bchandler02

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Oklahoma City, OK

GO AWAY TW

I lived in a TW market for years and I'm now in a Cox market. Cox isn't perfect, but they at least try and overall I'm satisfied with them. Can't say the same for TW and their crappy service.

LEAVE COX ALONE!!

kv2009

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Will switch entirely....

I can absolutely promise a switch to AT&T if TW buys Cox. I have heard horror stories about customer service and more and I will not deal with it. Start spreading the word so Cox gets the idea before it's too late... and with me would go quite a few paying customers who highly value my opinion on computers/internet/tech stuff in general. And they would spread the word as well and more customers would jump ship..