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With 'voting' campaign aimed at utilizing consumer angst
11:10AM Wednesday Nov 25 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: prices · business · Op/Ed · cable · content · consumers
It's fairly common practice for cable carriers to blame their often bi-annual TV rate increases on the high costs their incur from broadcasters. Time Warner Cable appears poised to take this traditional tactic to a new level. The company, which is busy alerting customers in a number of markets that they'll soon pay more for cable TV services, is launching a new website that takes aim at broadcasters, and asks customers to vote on whether Time Warner Cable should "roll over or get tough" when it comes to broadcaster hikes. The website, which will allow users to vote later today, has this to say:
No one likes paying more. You don’t. We don’t. Yet, every time our contracts with TV program providers come up for renewal, that’s what we face. Price increases. Big ones. Up to 300% more. Sometimes we can avoid passing them on to you. Sometimes we can’t. Sometimes, a network will threaten to take your shows away if we don’t roll over. Whenever that’s happened in the past, we’d make the best deal we could and hope that would be the end of it. But it never was. So no more. The networks shouldn’t be in the driver’s seat on what you watch and how much you pay. You’re our customers, so help us decide what to do. We’re just one company, but there are millions of you. Together, we just might be able to make a difference in what America pays for its favorite entertainment.
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An insider at Time Warner Cable tells Broadband Reports that company CEO Glenn Britt has also sent an alert to all company employees, asking them to get their families engaged in Time Warner Cable's new campaign.

"I know you often get the brunt of customer anger when programming disputes affect them and what they watch on TV, so I wanted you to hear about this program from me," says Britt in an e-mail to employees. "I encourage you to visit the site and voice your opinion. I also encourage you to share with family, friends and customers that, with their help, we believe we can convince the networks to be reasonable," says the CEO. "We're fighting for our customers," insists Britt.

In a prepared statement to the press, Britt meanwhile proclaims "we’re not trying to attack programmers," but that the company "needs to find a better way to resolve these issues. By better way, Britt apparently means directing customer ire at broadcasters, and getting customer approval for tougher negotiations. "If we get tough, they may lose their favorite shows until we reach a reasonable agreement," warns Britt. Time Warner Cable still won't offer the NFL network because they believe the price is too high.

Of course it's a little bit ironic that the same profitable company that wanted to sock its customers with 2,000% markups for bandwidth earlier this year is suddenly concerned with pricing fairness. While it's true that broadcasters charge hefty amounts for access to content (especially for sports programming), it's quite often over blown by cable carriers for effect. In more competitive markets, operators would be competing on price, and would be forced to eat the majority of those hikes -- instead of having the luxury of passing a large part or all of them on to consumers. They could have it much worse.

TV's still a very profitable business for all involved, and it's rather unlikely Mr. Britt will be huddled in soup kitchens this holiday season. The choice he's given his consumers is also somewhat of a false one. Whether you support tougher negotiations or Time Warner Cable rolling over to broadcaster demands, it's highly unlikely that you'll see much of a difference in your final bill. Should Time Warner Cable see better rates from negotiations, you can be fairly sure those savings won't be passed on to you.

Update: the "voting" aspect of the company's new website is now live, and it isn't much for democratic process. Clicking on the "get tough" option gets you a pat on the back from Time Warner Cable, while clicking on the "roll over" link informs you that you should have clicked on "get tough." In other words, it's a PR and negotiation stunt with no actual consumer choice involved.

Update 2: Time Warner Cable tells us the inability to vote for anything other than what Time Warner Cable would like users to vote for should be fixed shortly.

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castsucks

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they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack

they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack also put disney channel and disney XD in there own pack as well.

Versus needs to die fast the RSN's do a much better job of covering the NHL.
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Re: they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack

Time Warner is about to go head to head with Rupert Murdoch over transmission fees for all News Corp. properties. This is a preemptive strike by TWC for when News Corp. pulls the plug on all FOX properties while TWC flails about trying to explain why they are no longer offered on their cable systems.

Murdoch has gone on record that he fully intends to win this battle, and I'm, sure he remembers being slapped by Time Warner in 1997 over their refusing to carry FOX News in NYC. He probably also remembers GE offering NBC to Time Warner in 1999.

He's also vying for MGM studios against Time Warner and others.

The only thing bigger then Murdoch's mouth is his ego, and this time he won't be backing down in his campaign to increase monetization of his media properties.
gorehound

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Re: they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack

You can always watch krappy FOX on the antenna.
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Re: they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack

The righties will go through instant withdrawal without FOX News, which is not available OTA, and storm the castle demanding that TWC capitulate immediately.

Now there's a thought. None of the FOX O and Os carry any subchannels. Put FOX News OTA on WNYW in New York and KTTV in Los Angeles (and on other FOX Television Stations in Time Warner markets) and watch Time Warner squirm. Brilliant!
JerryTimes

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Re: they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack

Why would they get rid of Fox News when it's the most watched news channel.
riblet

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Re: they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack

Fox is in control, not the 1/2" penises at Time Warner.

BF69

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said by castsucks :

they should drop Versus and put epsn in it's own pack also put disney channel and disney XD in there own pack as well.
You do realize that Disney owns ESPN and ABC. If TW tried to do that all Disney would have to do is threaten to take away all Disney, ABC and ESPN channels. See how fast TW customers defect to Dish or DirecTv

moby866
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Sports and egos drive the cost increases

I vote to tell the programming providers to take a hike.
hottboiinnc
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Re: Sports and egos drive the cost increases

+1

n2jtx

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Re: Sports and egos drive the cost increases

said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

+1
+ 10 ^ 10 ^ 100 !!!
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said by moby866 See Profile :

I vote to tell the programming providers to take a hike.
Yeah, but what will happen then is that they will blame the price increases on the cost of fighting the programming providers. Fight or roll over they will still stick it to the customer.

en102
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Re: Sports and egos drive the cost increases

I agree. Fee increases will happen regardless.

Basically for your $50-$70 /month for TV service, they're fighting over how what percentage is for Cable and what percentage is for broadcasters. Both want more revenue, and the consumer doesn't want a rate increase.
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I would pay $1 a month per high def channel. You can give me Discovery, History, Food and Travel. You can shove your WE, BET, VH1, FSN, HSN and all sports channels up appropriate orifice.

Of course why let me pay 12 a month for the 10 channels I watch then you can make me pay 50 for them and only give my 5 I actually like.

skuv

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Re: Sports and egos drive the cost increases

said by bn1221 See Profile :

I would pay $1 a month per high def channel. You can give me Discovery, History, Food and Travel. You can shove your WE, BET, VH1, FSN, HSN and all sports channels up appropriate orifice.

Of course why let me pay 12 a month for the 10 channels I watch then you can make me pay 50 for them and only give my 5 I actually like.
But it's the content providers that make this happen, not the cable company. Even if the cable company could give you a la carte channels, they'd have to charge you more per channel just to make up for the extra channels they still have to pay for PER SUBSCRIBER.

I don't think very many people that want to argue that cable companies should just let you buy the channels you want really understand how cable companies have to purchase channels.

Did you know that ESPN is available without a cable box because Disney wants the cable companies to pay for EVERY subscriber (except the basic cable customers) to have ESPN. Even if they never watch it. ESPN is making money from people that don't even watch the channel. Because Disney wants it that way, or they'll refuse to let any cable or satellite company have the channel. And no one is going to play hardball to drop the channel because their customers will just go to their competitors to get it.

The only way any of this is going to change is if ALL PROVIDERS refuse at once to accept the arbitrary carry requirements and payments from the content sources.

But no one is going to go it alone. TWC already got flack for not paying NFL Network for every subscriber, so the NFL told people they should switch to DirecTV. Because DirecTV has already made a deal with NFL, their deal is even sweeter since NFL is helping them steal customers.

It's not right that a cable company should have to pay for every subscriber to have a channel that not everyone watches. But that's how business has been done, and no one is willing to take that first step and refuse the big channels, because it will only cause them to lose subscribers as everyone else is too scared to reject the deal.
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said by moby866 See Profile :

I vote to tell the programming providers to take a hike.
I agree. I personally wish they would either take all sports off of my TV or atleast out of my programming package, they make me have to pay $180/month to get the channels I want and internet.

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Re: Sports and egos drive the cost increases

said by Couch Potato See Profile :

said by moby866 See Profile :

I vote to tell the programming providers to take a hike.
I agree. I personally wish they would either take all sports off of my TV or atleast out of my programming package, they make me have to pay $180/month to get the channels I want and internet.
I wish they would take that dumb-ass Lifetime off mine and put on more sports. To each his own...

What the world needs now is ala-carte.
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said by moby866 See Profile :

I vote to tell the programming providers to take a hike.
I agree. They are the ones driving cost increases.
hottboiinnc
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TWC should move the sports networks onto the Sports Tier and be done with it. But then again With Disney ABC they wouldn't give the other programming that they own or charge $$$$ for it.
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Sports free package, anyone?

If sports programming costs so much, why don't cable companies offer packages without sports channels, instead of having everyone subsidize sports fans?
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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

Tell that to Disney which own Espn.
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iansltx

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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

If TWC nd Comcast both did it, Disney would have to capitulate I'm pretty sure, since that's so many customers. Especially since lots of folks can't get Dish'DirecTV.

Hmm...DirecTV...maybe they should make an IP-based product...
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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

No, Disney would go running to some congress critter that they have in their back pocket. That congress critter would demand a hearing in which he would rage against harm that not having wholesome family entertainment on basic programming . Basically you would need thigh high boots at the amount of crap that would be flowing.
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iansltx

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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

Ah, right. That's why I'm in favor of a government small enough that it can't do anyone any harm.

MxxCon

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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

or any good.
and when this happens who are you going to complain to?
iansltx

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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

People with money for not seizing the opportunity to offer a competitive service.

Seriously, it's also darned hard to block Internet connectivity to a selection of sites. Heard of a proxy?

MxxCon

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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

geez you are thick.
it was an analogy of what will happen if net neutrality is not made into a law.
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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

Not thick at all; I've seen that image before, several times.

I'm just saying that:

a) Net neutrality hasn't been a low for, well, forever.
b) Satellite internet is net-neutral, if all else fails. Capped and throttled after the cap, yes. Neutral? Also yes.
c) If all a company has to do to gain customers is to be net neutral (vs. offering faster speeds, lower prices, larger e-mail boxes) that's yet another product differentiator that may lure competition into a market.

Part C is, IMO, partially the reason that Time Warner Cable didn't go through with capping its users in central Texas. As soon as TWC made noise about caps, Grande Communications (cable overbuilder with plans a little below TWC's) immediately touted that their plans don't have caps. Additionally, Guadalupe Valley Telephone Cooperative is rolling out fiber and has both ILEC and CLEC abilities, so if TWC capped in any given area GVTC could move in, offer uncapped service and rake in high-ARPU customers with a relatively quick ROI ($2000 per fiber install isn't so horrible when you're pulling in $70 per month for 20/3 internet, plus money from cable and telephone service).

Whcih is how the system is supposed to work, at least IMO.

skuv

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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

said by iansltx See Profile :

b) Satellite internet is net-neutral, if all else fails. Capped and throttled after the cap, yes. Neutral? Also yes.
Uh, what exactly makes Sat internet any more or less net-neutral that any other provider?

In fact, there is no major provider right now that isn't net-neutral, so I'm not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that Sat internet is somehow different, or how it's an entity that would be immune to changing their rules.

Also, TWC capping had nothing to do with net-neutrality. You can cap your customers and still offer access to everything. You'd just be paying more to get to it if you go over the cap.

Comcast was the only company that wasn't net-neutral for a while, because they actively reset p2p connections with Sandvine boxes. But they no longer do that.
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said by JSRoman See Profile :

No, Disney would go running to some congress critter that they have in their back pocket. That congress critter would demand a hearing in which he would rage against harm that not having wholesome family entertainment on basic programming . Basically you would need thigh high boots at the amount of crap that would be flowing.
And that is why the FCC screams at cable but keeps hands off the Hollywood elite.
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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

said by OverModded See Profile :

And that is why the FCC screams at cable but keeps hands off the Hollywood elite.
The FCC has no regulatory authority over the "Hollywood elite".
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See, it's nice to have competition, but that also plays against the consumer too. We ALL well know how many times cable has tried to get tough with these networks and what happens in the end is that the networks will pull the plug on cable subscribers. ADDITIONALLY, which I think should be banned, is that these networks will start a scroll on the cable provider's feed telling the customer that the cable operator isn't playing fair and they'll subsidize and give a discount if they switch to a dish provider.

Personally, that's WRONG WRONG WONG and this is an example of where I believe that Congress MUST step in and stop this.

The cost to provide networks should be a fixed rate to the provider - period. The ONLY discount should be based on is the term period they are willing to sign a contract of carriage... nothing more. EVERYONE pays the same. This way, its up to the providers to cut their own prices to remain competitive.

Again, too, my personal issue is when they use the very network in question to target those scrolls and offers during contract negotiation.. the networks do it, as well as the local broadcasters... just wrong.

The customer is being played and really no one is doing anything about it..

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n2jtx

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I would love a sports free package. Would probably cut the bill by two-thirds.
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Re: Sports free package, anyone?

said by n2jtx See Profile :

I would love a sports free package. Would probably cut the bill by two-thirds.
not really. they'd come up with some other BS excuse why the rate increase is warranted.
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said by Eat Me See Profile :

If sports programming costs so much, why don't cable companies offer packages without sports channels, instead of having everyone subsidize sports fans?
Because they can't buy them from Disney and others that way.

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said by Eat Me See Profile :

If sports programming costs so much, why don't cable companies offer packages without sports channels, instead of having everyone subsidize sports fans?
yeah. why? WHY?
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Van
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Yes, I am sure prices would stay the same

if they didn't have any increases. Right.

Just stop lying to us and admit that you want a profit. That's ok. I want a big profit from my business too.

imanogre

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mad:(

Why do I have to pay for 100 channels anyway, at best I can watch two at one time?

It's really time for ala carte pricing.

Two bad I don't have the cash to start my own company.

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ChrisDG74

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Road Runner

This does not explain the letter I got from TW stating my Road Runner Turbo(LMAO) is going up another $3/month. Thats' really sad, $8 in the last 13 months. My only other choice is 5MB DSL for $50 from the phone company.

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Big deal

Hey Britt

Get a taste of your meds this time. You want to try to screw with us and over charges on internet, but you want us to help you from paying the broadcaster too much money.

Get a F:CKING life.
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Re: Big deal

Why don't you get a life. Can you do better? Where is your awesome cable company? Oh yeah you don't have one.

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Re: Big deal

said by Heated Man See Profile :

Can you do better?
Why would want to RAPE everyone like they are currently doing now with cable rates hikes.

said by Heated Man See Profile :

Where is your awesome cable company?
Personally i wouldn't want to own a cable company. They are in debt and still paying off loans to the banks. Even cable company's are buying each other. Buy build when you can BUY.

said by Heated Man See Profile :

Oh yeah you don't have one.
Nor would i want to invest more than 5% of my stocks into it. i have less than 1% in it.

Anon51

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Pricing

The problem is NOT with the programmers. It is with the insane price increases Time Warner puts on every year, sometimes 2 or more times a year, all the while decreasing the services they provide to us.
I say "B.S." to Time Warner. Take a fair 5-10% profit, instead of the 27% you currently take. Stop the insane bonuses to corporate execs, and just provide a quality, reliable service. It doesn't matter if it is 600 channels of nothing. Just deliver 50 or so channels of quality TV and reliable internet, without the constant price increases.
Maybe you could save some, by getting rid of the channels you recently implemented.
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Re: Pricing

Why should they only take 5% of 10% profit? You don't think the people that invest into the company deserve payback on their investment?? You want to talk a price increase... cut out the investors and see what your bill does..

.. let me know how that works for you. 27% is a fair profit.

And also, now your about discrimination? Maybe some "gay" people like the "gay" networks... why not cut out the black channels.. why not the hispanic as well.. what else you want cut out?

Seriously...

What's 50 QUALITY channels to you may not be to others..
sonicmerlin

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Re: Pricing

said by fiberguy See Profile :

Why should they only take 5% of 10% profit? You don't think the people that invest into the company deserve payback on their investment?? You want to talk a price increase... cut out the investors and see what your bill does..

.. let me know how that works for you. 27% is a fair profit.

And also, now your about discrimination? Maybe some "gay" people like the "gay" networks... why not cut out the black channels.. why not the hispanic as well.. what else you want cut out?

Seriously...

What's 50 QUALITY channels to you may not be to others..
27% is not a fair profit for a monopoly provider. 10% is considered quite healthy, so a monopoly should be in the range of 5-10%.
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Re: Pricing

Says who? and really.. what makes you think they're a monopoly anymore?? maybe in the wire line service arena.. but anymore, these days, you still have phone competing with wired service and you also have a very healthy satellite industry..

... but, really, if you want to start playing the game of restricting profits on companies WHILE competition is in play, just be careful what you ask for, because you WILL NOT like it.

Look at what AT&T did to IL when they wouldn't give them a state wide franchise.. AT&T decided to hold back on upgrades.. I know the undeserved residents of IL are pleased with that one.

You start with government control on profit, as you're suggesting, in this case, while competition exists.. just remember, you're going to see a MAJOR decline in service..

you're not going to win on this one.. and 27% is not unreasonable. Even non-profit organizations are required, by law, to retain more than 10% of what they take for operating expenses.

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5-10% is too low for a capital intensive industry. Too much risk, not enough reward. I know people like to work themselves into a frenzy over corporate bonuses but most MSOs are publicly traded companies. Profits are going to share holders. If management is able to provide profits to the share holders they are of course rewarded. That's how capitalism works.
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Greed all around

Are programmers greedy? Yes. Companies like Disney link their channels together into packages and demand that cable companies take all or none, and they also demand that these channels be placed on basic, which means that every sub must pay for them. They do this because it allows them to get money from subs who wouldn't otherwise pay. If only the folks who actually want ESPN had to pay, it would end up costing them much more than the current amount factored into their bills, meaning many may choose not to take that channel.

Are the cable companies greedy? Of course. Increasing programming costs may contribute to higher bills, but the companies' desire for bigger and bigger profits also is a big factor. And don't even get me started on metered billing for Internet. These guys are making plenty of money, but they undoubtedly want more.

So please forgive me if I don't take sides, or at least not the side of the cablecos or programmers. They're all greedy as hell, but TWC wants to play the good cop/bad cop game, and, frankly, I'm not buying.

jsz0

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Re: Greed all around

Look at the 5 or 10 year graphs.

»www.google.com/finance?q=comcast

»www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:TWC

Compare it with:

»www.google.com/finance?q=Disney

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Lame

If Time Warner was really serious about having its customers skip fees, then it would offer lower priced service levels without the "costly" channels.

But of course, this is not the case.
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TK Junk Mail
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TW is not happy with the current arrangement¿

Maybe they should make their own content then.

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DeeplyShroud

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On Demand Programming

If I had my way, every house would have at least 100 mbit
connections, channels would be on-demand only.
Feed only the channel the person is watching at the moment.
If the cable box is off, then why send any data to it?
I look at comcast and there are a whole bunch of sports
channels that always say "off air" in the 400's.
What about the music channels in the 900's that are also taking up
bandwidth? There are times I seriously wonder what happened to
customer service? I was looking at new service where I bought a
house, and it's ridiculous. I'm seriously thinking of going back to
OTA TV. Only thing I'd miss is the weather channel.
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Re: On Demand Programming

said by DeeplyShroud :

If I had my way, every house would have at least 100 mbit
connections, channels would be on-demand only.
Feed only the channel the person is watching at the moment.
If the cable box is off, then why send any data to it?
I look at comcast and there are a whole bunch of sports
channels that always say "off air" in the 400's.
What about the music channels in the 900's that are also taking up
bandwidth? There are times I seriously wonder what happened to
customer service? I was looking at new service where I bought a
house, and it's ridiculous. I'm seriously thinking of going back to
OTA TV. Only thing I'd miss is the weather channel.
you don't need 100mbit connections to enjoy on-demand programming:

»eztv.it

Torrent broadcast tv and beyond (cable shows on there too), no commercials or b/s! There are torrent sites for sports programming too! Once subscribers get wise... they'll both have to get to the table and hammer out a reasonable deal, otherwise consumers will steal it for free and once they do en-masse... all broadcasters and cable companies are screwed, because once a full-on napsterization happens you ain't going back to paying $30, 50, 80, 200+ a month just to watch tv! hell, no!
Heated Man

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sonicmerlin

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Re: On Demand Programming

You`d be able to pay off the debt after a couple decades.

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quote:
If the cable box is off, then why send any data to it?

For guide data updates and software updates.

quote:
I look at comcast and there are a whole bunch of sports
channels that always say "off air" in the 400's.
What you would like them to say?

quote:
What about the music channels in the 900's that are also taking up
bandwidth?
45 audio only channels take up a lot less bandwidth then 45 video channels. IIRC, Music Choice streams at 192K, thats about 8Mb which aint jack.

As someone who likes to channel surf No way in hell would I go for your dream solution. The way of doing things now works. No 100% On Demand, no a la care, I will never support either of these notions. I don't typically watch trash like Discovery but ocasionally they have something good on there that I'd miss if I didn't have access to the channel
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jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
We don't currently have the bandwidth for everyone to pull down their own stream at the same time. Broadcasting is much better than Unicasting for the ISP. That's probably the biggest fear that they have right now.
visuelz

join:2003-05-01
Brooklyn, NY

Voting

Voting is open!

Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02

Re: Voting

Not much "voting" involved it seems. Clicking on "roll over" just results in them telling you to click on "get tough..."

Toguro

join:2003-10-23
Ottawa, IL

Re: Voting

Roll Over

Price-gouging by TV networks is driving up the cost of cable TV. In today’s economy that’s unfair.

TV networks know that massive price increases -- up to 300% -- are impossible for us to absorb without passing on some of that cost to you.

Even worse, some are threatening to pull the plug on your favorite shows if they don’t get their way.

It’s your money – and your shows.

Instead of rolling over, we think it’s time to speak out against TV networks that boost their bottom line by squeezing cable TV viewers like you.

Click here to GET TOUGH and fight back!
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

3 Words Will Resolve This

A La Carte

This will show which channels are worth their price.

This will provide users with the channels THEY want, not the channels the broadcasters want them to have.

Bundles can still be offered on their own merit.

Most homes will pay about the same or less to get exactly what they want.

It would also help if the agreements between all providers and broadcasters was made public. Especially if the companies involved are publicly traded companies. Anything done is secret by corporations today is to hide the screwing of the consumer. They can claim it is for competitive reasons, but being very few markets have competition it is for nothing more than getting more from the next guy.
OverModded
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·Comcast

Re: 3 Words Will Resolve This

said by Skippy25 See Profile :

A La Carte

Hollywood won't sell them that way and the FCC won't do a thing about it.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME

Re: 3 Words Will Resolve This

That's because they can't take that kind of gamble... all or nothing approach.
While I do agree that many channels should be 'sink or swim', or rely on external funding (ads), I'd suspect that TV would be down to ~20-25 channels if this occurred:
We would have:
News: FoxNews, CNN, possibly MSNBC (there's enough that would pay to keep this around)
Locals - but not-so-local: ABC/CBS/NBC/Fox, but only a handful of actual stations (LA/NYC/Chicago, etc)
Popular specialty channels: ESPN, WE, HBO, etc.

Everythiing else would be web content.

Realistically, MOST of the channels are fluff, and essentially 'free', ad driven. QVC, Weather.

FCC doesn't have a good case to 'force' them to sell a la carte.

Here's my version of what 'would be' A-LA-CARTE:

First channel (any channel) - $50/month
Second channel (any channel) - $25/month
Third channel (any channel) - $12/month
Until its essentially 'free'. PPV is a separate issue.
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sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH

Re: 3 Words Will Resolve This

Your ideas are way too expensive en102.

skuv

@rr.com

Re: 3 Words Will Resolve This

said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

Your ideas are way too expensive en102.
Except, it's realistic. Content providers will get their money one way or another. If they have to offer less channels and charge more for the channels that people pay to watch, then they'll make them pay more per channel.

How else do YOU think it would work?

Everyone is not going to get everything free from the Internet. Unless they like to just watch old shows, since new shows would no longer be produced as there would be no money in it.

jsz0

join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT

Making programming costs public is a good idea however, as you said, they will be paying basically the same amount and getting less. Why would anyone go for that? Ala-carte only works if the customer can pay significantly less. The programmers don't want to make less money. They don't want to offer less channels because they lose advertising space. They can very easily force providers to carry these less watched channels with predatory pricing on the highly watched channels. It's the same problem the customer faces. Do you want 5 highly watched channels and 20 others you don't care about for $50/month or only 5 highly watched channels for $45/month?

jay_bob

join:2004-03-12
Columbia, SC
·AT&T Southeast

Bye Bye TWC

My newest bill just came in the mail. Went up from $110.94 to $125.21. I have two HDTVs with DVRs. No movie channels. $125/mo is just insane.

DirecTV is coming out Saturday... HD service on two TVs, one DVR, $55 for first year (thanks AT&T for the promo package) and $85 after that.

TWC can pound sand...

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mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV

disney should give people a discount a disney world or land

Since we pay so much for espn and abc/disney networks they should send us all coupons for 20% off a vacation to disney resorts.
ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

Re: disney should give people a discount a disney world or land

I'm sure they will, right about the time that they jack up the admission price by 25%.
amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:

blame

As others here have astutely noted, it's mostly ESPN (/ Disney), and now "versus" who demand the most $$$

Sure, some want every sport channel that exists, and that's fine.
Some don't want any, and the current situation is kind of like a compromise, but it could be better.

With the advent of digital "tiers" of service, the "expanded basic" package should be re-examined, and I think TW is looking at this with such a perspective...

Expanded basic should no longer be forced to include these "packages" that result in costing so much, esp. more and more each year...

Unfortunately, the list of channels that they own or are part owner of is kind of scary... »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_as···y_Disney

Disney channel (obviously)
ESPN
...ABC...
Lifetime
A&E
The History Channel
Biography Channel
Military Channel

Even then, if the "whole package" were flat out refused, they'd be forced to consider breaking up the package(s) so that cable could assign smaller groups of channels to their own "tiers" and thus let the customer choose which ones they want...

It may not be "a la carte" but further sub-division would enable a better choice for customers...

A full "sports tier" would include all the ESPN's (the ocho anyone ? ). The "variety" would get the history channel etc.

"expanded basic" would start to shrink obviously, but if it means you could just pick a "tier" that best suits your likings, so what?

If cable's going to go all digital (besides basic basic basic package), why not set up more relevant and intuitive "tiers" so that you don't have to get 100 channels you DON'T want.
...It may even end up costing LESS for those who don't want these inordinately priced "packages" and we'd really see how bad it is... If it cut what would be "expanded" services prices down by 1/4 of the total, lots of people would be happy. Lots more would still buy the sports tier, but Disney'd probably still make quite a nice profit from the "variety" sub-tier or whatever it'd be...

It makes sense to me anyawy. If we can't do full a la carte, start grouping things tighter and let customers choose to either save about 1/4 of their total (based on the now current rate), or pony up for "the ocho"

Let people see the ugly truth of these prices and decide for themselves. Divide the channels more clearly into meaningful "tiers" instead of forcing a huge chunk into "expanded" lineups. Heck, they could even say "expanded plus" for people who don't want (are too lazy) to change it up
Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

Re: blame

said by amungus See Profile :

As others here have astutely noted, it's mostly ESPN (/ Disney), and now "versus" who demand the most $$$

Sure, some want every sport channel that exists, and that's fine.
Some don't want any, and the current situation is kind of like a compromise, but it could be better.

With the advent of digital "tiers" of service, the "expanded basic" package should be re-examined, and I think TW is looking at this with such a perspective...

Expanded basic should no longer be forced to include these "packages" that result in costing so much, esp. more and more each year...

Unfortunately, the list of channels that they own or are part owner of is kind of scary... »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_as···y_Disney

Disney channel (obviously)
ESPN
...ABC...
Lifetime
A&E
The History Channel
Biography Channel
Military Channel

Even then, if the "whole package" were flat out refused, they'd be forced to consider breaking up the package(s) so that cable could assign smaller groups of channels to their own "tiers" and thus let the customer choose which ones they want...

It may not be "a la carte" but further sub-division would enable a better choice for customers...

A full "sports tier" would include all the ESPN's (the ocho anyone ? ). The "variety" would get the history channel etc.

"expanded basic" would start to shrink obviously, but if it means you could just pick a "tier" that best suits your likings, so what?

If cable's going to go all digital (besides basic basic basic package), why not set up more relevant and intuitive "tiers" so that you don't have to get 100 channels you DON'T want.
...It may even end up costing LESS for those who don't want these inordinately priced "packages" and we'd really see how bad it is... If it cut what would be "expanded" services prices down by 1/4 of the total, lots of people would be happy. Lots more would still buy the sports tier, but Disney'd probably still make quite a nice profit from the "variety" sub-tier or whatever it'd be...

It makes sense to me anyawy. If we can't do full a la carte, start grouping things tighter and let customers choose to either save about 1/4 of their total (based on the now current rate), or pony up for "the ocho"

Let people see the ugly truth of these prices and decide for themselves. Divide the channels more clearly into meaningful "tiers" instead of forcing a huge chunk into "expanded" lineups. Heck, they could even say "expanded plus" for people who don't want (are too lazy) to change it up
in Canada you can buy channels like that.

also sky sports in the uk is on it's own and is not forced on people.

nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy

Dying model

A couple years ago, I bought an HD TV. In order to get HD signal from my cable company, I, for some reason, have to also buy SD channels. To get Discovery-type channels, I have to get a crap-ton of other channels I don't like. In the end, I'm paying $150/mo for my service. Now, were I watching TV 24/7/365 and watching all of the 300+ channels I have access to, that might be a bargain. At < 10 channels (and a relatively low number of viewing-hours), that same $150/mo is very much NOT a bargain.

Now, I'm not saying "we need a la carte pricing". All I'm saying is that, since they have different programming broken out into blocks of channels, I shouldn't have to buy one block to get another. They shouldn't be tiers but independent blocks of channels.

It's actually gotten to the point with HSI and cable's pricing that it's becoming cheaper to just get HSI and pay for the individual programs you actually want to watch online.
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discojulio

@comcast.net

Check out Programming Cost Increases in Public Filings

Industry wide, programming cost increases for cable operators average about 9% per year while video price increases to customers average about 4% per year. Profit margins on average actually decreased in the third quarter compared to the second quarter.

The market is indeed competitive and cable's competitors routinely implement price hikes, since programming increases affect satellite, Fios and U-verse, too. Read company transcripts and see how all of them complain about programming rate increases and a need for Congress to revisit retransmission rules. (You can find them on seekingalpha.com.)

Content providers like Disney make cable operators buy channels in bundles just like consumers. Do you want ESPN? Then you'll have to take crap channels 1-6, too. It's one reason why Comcast wants to buy NBCU -- to get some leverage to challenge the racket of the programming price increases.

Does that mean that cable is no longer evil? No. Does that mean the cable's main priority isn't profits any more? No. In this particular case, though, they have a point in a matter that hits all of us (cable, satellite and phone co. subscribers)
in the wallet.
Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

Re: Check out Programming Cost Increases in Public Filings

said by discojulio :

Comcast wants to buy NBCU -- to get some leverage to challenge the racket of the programming price increases.

No comcarp cable wants kill off dish and direct tv owning good channels and not carp like VS.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Yes, they want in on the 'game' the content providers are playing. That's their point in the matter. It will help them and they will STILL increase the price per usual. They'll get a double win! Vertical integration is a "wonderful" thing for the "big".

maartena
Super Grover
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA

Their "Get Tough" stance....

...lost me HDNet and HDNet movies.

So Roll Over and get them back please.
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rv65
Trig isn't Sarah's Baby
Premium
join:2008-08-02
San Diego, CA

Re: Their "Get Tough" stance....

Agreed!
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