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Time Warner Cable 'Get Tough' PR Stunt Continues
Tilted 'voting' campaign unsurprisingly gets results company wanted
by Karl Bode Tuesday 15-Dec-2009 tags: prices · Video · business · bandwidth · cable · RoadRunner Cable
It's fairly common practice for cable carriers to blame their often bi-annual TV rate increases on the high costs they incur from broadcasters. While content (especially sports programming) certainly is expensive, cable operators share responsibility for the continually increasing rates. Given many cable operators compete in duopoly markets, they have the luxury of engaging in non-price competition -- and passing on the majority of those rate hikes directly to the consumer. Cable's traditionally low consumer satisfaction scores aren't helped by blaming cable rates solely on broadcasters.

But consumer outrage about cable pricing can still be useful, apparently even if you're at least partially responsible for it. A few weeks ago, Time Warner Cable launched a new PR stunt designed to rile up the company's customers, so they'd complain to broadcasters about high programming costs. Dubbed "Roll Over Or Get Tough," the marketing campaign pretends to be about democratic process. It gives consumers the voting "choice" to "get tough" and have Time Warner Cable fight broadcaster hikes (possibly losing popular channels but saving money for Time Warner Cable) or "roll over" resulting in higher bills.

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But the choice is a false one. For one thing no matter what Time Warner Cable does, they'll wind up passing higher costs on to the consumer. That's just how it works. Meanwhile, the voting website is geared entirely toward convincing consumers they should "get tough." Users who decided to vote to have Time Warner Cable suck it up are told they've made the wrong choice. As you might expect, options like "shut up and offer me a la carte pricing" or "help pay for it by cutting your CEO's salary" weren't available.

Given the campaign's presentation, it's not too surprising to see a Time Warner Cable press release today noting that 400,000 consumers visited the company's new website, and shockingly, these consumers "overwhelmingly supported Getting Tough on programmers." Judging from the user comments at the Time Warner Cable site, the company's done a pretty good job convincing the public the cable company itself has absolutely nothing to do with soaring cable TV rates.

"Our customers are letting us know that they want us to fight against rapidly increasing programming prices," says company CEO Glenn Britt. "We’ve heard them, and we intend to put as much pressure as possible on programmers with unreasonable demands to get our customers the best prices we can." The problem is, were Time Warner Cable to negotiate better broadcast rates they'd immediately pocket them. Anybody expecting otherwise is being taken for a ride.

This campaign is about two things, neither of which is about saving you money. One, it's about convincing the public that Time Warner Cable isn't at all responsible for higher TV rates. Two, it's about using the consumer angst Time Warner Cable is partially responsible for as a tactical weapon in their negotiations with broadcasters.

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I bet...

other Cablecos cringe whenever TimeWarner comes up with an idea. Its usually backfires against the entire industry.
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Re: I bet...

They certainly need a better public relations apparatus.

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Re: I bet...

TWC recently deleted a handful of 'Basic Cable' channels.

They have not done a proper job on it though.

34 - The Weather Channel
55 - ABC Family
68 - truTV
77 - Oxygen

All show up on channel listings + TV Guide as 'Basic Cable' yet are only available on Digital (for $8.50/month extra / TV).

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Re: I bet...

you'd think with those revenues, they could design a DVR GUI that didn't appear to be designed by an ADD seven year old.....

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Re: I bet...

said by Karl Bode:

you'd think with those revenues, they could design a DVR GUI that didn't appear to be designed by an ADD seven year old.....
Nice article.

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said by Karl Bode:

you'd think with those revenues, they could design a DVR GUI that didn't appear to be designed by an ADD seven year old.....
With a 6- and 8-year old sons with AD(H)D and Asperger's Syndrome respectively, I resent that comment. Either kid could far out design the DVR GUI. You aren't giving enough credit to the capabilities of an ADD seven year old, although I do admit the bar is set pretty low with their design.

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Those are some odd choices to move to a premium tier.

Guess they're just looking at the total number of channels on a tier for that one.
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Re: I bet...

They're not a "premium tier," they're on digital boxes only, in the standard digital tier.

Also, in most cases, with TW and Comcast, their full lineup of analog channels costs MORE than the standard digital channels and there are more digital channels standard.

My inlaws just switched from a nearly $60 analog to paying $30 for digital, including the box.

And they still get the analog channels on other TV's.
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Re: I bet...

said by nukscull :

They're not a "premium tier," they're on digital boxes only, in the standard digital tier.

Also, in most cases, with TW and Comcast, their full lineup of analog channels costs MORE than the standard digital channels and there are more digital channels standard.

My inlaws just switched from a nearly $60 analog to paying $30 for digital, including the box.

And they still get the analog channels on other TV's.
If you have to pay more, to get a channel that has been cleverly migrated from analog to digital, then it is a premium.
In our fair city, TWC moved the Travel Channel to the box, and that was enough for us to disconnect TV service. In the years since, we've saved $2K for what we call our "Travel" budget. Thanks TWC!

In the neighboring metropolis, there is no analog cable tier, just broadcast - you have to have a box. Basic cable is a premium.

To be fair, the basic cable modem service (6M) and the double/triple-play bundles (if acquired from retentions) are competitively priced, and in my opinion, deliver a higher standard of service than the Ma Bell concern.

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Mindreading

The problem is, were Time Warner Cable to negotiate better broadcast rates they'd immediately pocket them.
I wish I had this skill - reading minds.

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Re: Mindreading

You could study several decades of history. You're saying that the cost savings would be passed on to consumers? Really?

As an investor, a position which fuels all of your opinions here, you want that money going back to the consumer?

You're inconsistent and disingenuous. I do like your shoes, though.

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Re: Mindreading

said by Karl Bode:

You're inconsistent and disingenuous. I do like your shoes, though.


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Re: Mindreading

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You wear "corporate fat cat" shoes. In the pic above you see the shoes of the proletariat.

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Re: Mindreading

said by badtrip:

You wear "corporate fat cat" shoes. In the pic above you see the shoes of the proletariat.
Did you steal those from KarlMarx?

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said by Romney2012:

The problem is, were Time Warner Cable to negotiate better broadcast rates they'd immediately pocket them.
I wish I had this skill - reading minds.
If you really think they'd pass those savings on to customers you're really kind of fricken stupid. No offense. TW continues to make HUGE profits yet still raises rates. Hmmmmmm. If TW saved a $1 billion by re-negotiating fees and then passed those savings on to customers the CEOs would be getting some very angry responses from shareholders
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said by Romney2012:

The problem is, were Time Warner Cable to negotiate better broadcast rates they'd immediately pocket them.
I wish I had this skill - reading minds.
Time Warner's own website states that regardless of the outcome of the negotiations, they are raising rates.

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Not really a stunt

This story seems to be really biased or the author isn't aware that just about every video provider has raised rates between about $3-$10 this year.

Satellite: Between $3-$10 depending on your package/equipment

Verizon: Between $5-$10 depending on your package/equipment

AT&T: Between $5-$10 depending on your package/equipment

Cable: Varies by provider but generally in the same $5-$10 range.

Depending on the provider you might be able to avoid this increase due to promotional rates or contracts however when they expire you're going to be paying more in most cases.

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Re: Not really a stunt

Yes, they all raise rates, and they raise them higher in markets with less competition, which should tell you something. And broadcasters are partially responsible for many hikes. But only partially. Blaming all the hikes on broadcasters (which Time Warner Cable is doing here) is not accurate.

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Re: Not really a stunt

And, as a matter of fact, HDNet never raised their prices..... they only wanted the channel in the regular tier, whereas TWC wanted them in a "special HD tier" and charge customers extra $$ for it.

This is totally on TWC.
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Re: Not really a stunt

HD channels costing more is a total joke on consumers.

What should happen naturally enough is a HD channel simply replaces the SD one, and the price is the same.

Instead, they create a new "alternate" HD version of a SD channel and then put it in a new tier or package and then charge more for it.
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Re: Not really a stunt

Absolutely. And then they have the b***s to advertise "free HD."

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Instead, they create a new "alternate" HD version of a SD channel and then put it in a new tier or package and then charge more for it.
Uh, that's exactly what Time Warner, Comcast and the other cable companies DON'T DO.

Unlike Dish Network, DirecTV and Verizon, Time Warner does not charge you twice for the same content. If you have a package that includes History Channel, so long as you have an HD set top terminal, you get History HD at no additional cost. With DirecTV you have to pay the bullshit HD Access Rape fee.

With Time Warner the HD Tier includes HD Only channels, meaning channels that have no SD feed, such as HDNet and HDNet Movies (if they still carried them) would be included. There is no SD feed so they are not charging more for it. DirecTV and Dish network also have add on HD Only packages.

For all intents and purposes Time Warner has Free HD, no matter what the anon TW Hater troll has to say. I know it's difficult to do, but use some common sense here, you can't just plug in a cable line and get a hundred HD channels without paying, and that is certainly not what TW is implying. If I have a SDTV and decided to upgrade to high def, what will I need to get to be able to watch HD? A different set top box, from TW, that's it. Which can be exchanged at the local office for free. And it won't cost me a penny more a month. With satellite I'd need to upgrade to an HD box, which can cost upwards of $200, and the on top of that subscribe to the HD Access just to get the channels I already pay for in SD.
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Re: Not really a stunt

If it truly was free, then all HD feeds of analog channels should be clear QAM. That would be truly free HD. As it is, I would have to upgrade to digital to get these "free" channels.
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Re: Not really a stunt

That's irrelenet. The point is you're not paying an HD Access type fee. With digital cable you get much more then just the HD channels.

Due to lacking the benefits of using an STB, I would never dream of watching TV via my QAM tuner. I have before, and it sucks.

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Unless the hd cable settop is the same rental as its sd counterpart, the hd is not "free"
But it is the same cost. Digital Set Top Terminals/Remotes are $7.45/month here, be it SD or HD. They cost the exact same and always have. The vast majority of TW franchise charge the same amount reguardless if it's SD or HD.
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Re: Not really a stunt

It's irrelevant that I have to pay more to get the HD versions of channels that I already receive? Really?

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said by Steve Mehs:

quote:
Instead, they create a new "alternate" HD version of a SD channel and then put it in a new tier or package and then charge more for it.
Uh, that's exactly what Time Warner, Comcast and the other cable companies DON'T DO.

Unlike Dish Network, DirecTV and Verizon, Time Warner does not charge you twice for the same content. If you have a package that includes History Channel, so long as you have an HD set top terminal, you get History HD at no additional cost. With DirecTV you have to pay the bullshit HD Access Rape fee.

With Time Warner the HD Tier includes HD Only channels, meaning channels that have no SD feed, such as HDNet and HDNet Movies (if they still carried them) would be included. There is no SD feed so they are not charging more for it. DirecTV and Dish network also have add on HD Only packages.

For all intents and purposes Time Warner has Free HD, no matter what the anon TW Hater troll has to say. I know it's difficult to do, but use some common sense here, you can't just plug in a cable line and get a hundred HD channels without paying, and that is certainly not what TW is implying. If I have a SDTV and decided to upgrade to high def, what will I need to get to be able to watch HD? A different set top box, from TW, that's it. Which can be exchanged at the local office for free. And it won't cost me a penny more a month. With satellite I'd need to upgrade to an HD box, which can cost upwards of $200, and the on top of that subscribe to the HD Access just to get the channels I already pay for in SD.
Unless the hd cable settop is the same rental as its sd counterpart, the hd is not "free"
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Re: Not really a stunt

said by dvd536:

said by Steve Mehs:

quote:
Instead, they create a new "alternate" HD version of a SD channel and then put it in a new tier or package and then charge more for it.
Uh, that's exactly what Time Warner, Comcast and the other cable companies DON'T DO.

Unlike Dish Network, DirecTV and Verizon, Time Warner does not charge you twice for the same content. If you have a package that includes History Channel, so long as you have an HD set top terminal, you get History HD at no additional cost. With DirecTV you have to pay the bullshit HD Access Rape fee.

With Time Warner the HD Tier includes HD Only channels, meaning channels that have no SD feed, such as HDNet and HDNet Movies (if they still carried them) would be included. There is no SD feed so they are not charging more for it. DirecTV and Dish network also have add on HD Only packages.

For all intents and purposes Time Warner has Free HD, no matter what the anon TW Hater troll has to say. I know it's difficult to do, but use some common sense here, you can't just plug in a cable line and get a hundred HD channels without paying, and that is certainly not what TW is implying. If I have a SDTV and decided to upgrade to high def, what will I need to get to be able to watch HD? A different set top box, from TW, that's it. Which can be exchanged at the local office for free. And it won't cost me a penny more a month. With satellite I'd need to upgrade to an HD box, which can cost upwards of $200, and the on top of that subscribe to the HD Access just to get the channels I already pay for in SD.
Unless the hd cable settop is the same rental as its sd counterpart, the hd is not "free"
Reread what Steve said. The HD cable box rental is the exact same price as the sd counterpart. In fact, TWC stopped buying new SD cable boxes years ago, they only buy HD ones. I can confirm this as I've done it. Actually I set up my parents who had analog plain cable and internet as seperate items, with a double play that costed the same price(actually about $1 less a month) and was digital cable instead of expanded basic. I went to the office myself and got an HD box for nothing extra. Now they get digital cable with HD for the same price as they were paying before. Not a 6 month or 1 year promo.

Comcast on the other hand, DOES screw you and charge extra for an HD box over an SD box. TWC is a LOT more HD friendly than Comcast and Directv. However, Directv's "HD access fee" and "DVR service fee" I believe is good for as many HD recievers/DVRs that you have, so you can get into savings there with multiple boxes. But you still have to pay upfront costs to lease those boxes.

HD cable via unencrypted QAM is only a dream and will not ever happen in this day and age. Too bad, as that would be awesome.
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So, for example, a channel costing a cable provider $1 per subscriber for 1,000 subscribers paying $2 for the tier doesn't cost that cable provider overall less than if it's given to 11,000 of them at that same $1 per sub without that extra tier charge?

Sounds like it just cost the cable provider more than 11x more.

No HDNet didn't want more per subscriber they just wanted ALOT more subscribers, then they could bill more.

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said by maartena:

And, as a matter of fact, HDNet never raised their prices..... they only wanted the channel in the regular tier, whereas TWC wanted them in a "special HD tier" and charge customers extra $$ for it.

This is totally on TWC.
I don't think you understand how it works. HDNet charges TWC PER SUBSCRIBER. Meaning, they wanted to be on the standard digital tier, giving them millions more subscribers to charge TWC for. TWC wanted it to stay on the extra cost HD tier so only the people that wanted the channel would have to pay for it.
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said by Karl Bode:

Yes, they all raise rates, and they raise them higher in markets with less competition, which should tell you something. And broadcasters are partially responsible for many hikes. But only partially. Blaming all the hikes on broadcasters (which Time Warner Cable is doing here) is not accurate.
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... and I'm sure that those markets that get higher price increases have nothing to do with the over all cost of living factors that businesses also have to contend with?

... Its easy to say it, blanketly, but do you ever break down those markets by city and post the percentage of increase? I'm sure the increases in cities such as New York and LA are more than say in Boulder Colorado and Enid Oklahoma..

As the news guy, maybe you should break some of that down when making some of your assertions.

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Re: Not really a stunt

quote:
As the news guy, maybe you should break some of that down when making some of your assertions.
Are you kidding? Reading 'news' posted by Karl is like watching state run TV. Pure propaganda. Must have been a slow anti cable news day for the so called news guy here. Wasn't TW's Get Tough campaign a topic of discussion last week? Guess he couldn't find a story about a Cox employee killing kittens or Mediacom employee burning a house down yesterday so he reinvented a story from last week.
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Re: Not really a stunt

said by Steve Mehs:

Must have been a slow anti cable news day for the so called news guy here. Wasn't TW's Get Tough campaign a topic of discussion last week? Guess he couldn't find a story about a Cox employee killing kittens or Mediacom employee burning a house down yesterday so he reinvented a story from last week.
Meanwhile he totally overlooked the FCC calling CableCARD a failure last week...

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I don't see anything on their site that says programmers are the exclusive reason for price increases. I'm guessing they all match inflation on a yearly basis.

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Re: Not really a stunt

said by jsz0:

I don't see anything on their site that says programmers are the exclusive reason for price increases. I'm guessing they all match inflation on a yearly basis.
Are you kidding? Inflation?
I didn't realize inflation in 2008 was 11%, which is what my rates went up in January 2009.
I also didn't realize 2007 inflation was 8% which is the rate increase for January 2008.
ESPN/Disney are partially responsible but please don't tell me a CEO is not responsible for unacceptable rate increases?

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Re: Not really a stunt

It's part of it, yes. In 2008 it was about one third (4% inflation) of your 11% increase. So with other increased costs that are going to impact all providers more or less equally (rising health care costs, higher fuel prices in some years, inflation) we're left with some percentage of the total increase that is being taken for higher profits. Presumably some of that is from the provider and some is from the programmer. The easiest ones to spot are equipment leasing increases by the provider. The box sitting in your house didn't suddenly become more valuable since last year. It would be interesting to see over the lat 5 years how much TWC has increased their equipment fees and we'll have a pretty good idea how much money they're taking.
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Re: Not really a stunt

I hate to break it to you but the increased health care costs, fuel costs and pretty much everything else you mentioned IS inflation. You can't take inflation then add inflation to it again. The 4% inflation was how much EVERYTHING went up, the additional 7% was either direct labor cost increase specific to the CWA union or was pure profit.

My bet is a review of the 10Q would reveal that it was at least 5% pure profit. There is a reason cable companies make 30% profit and it has to do entirely with rate increases that far exceed inflation, often double to triple the actual increase in cost (inflation).
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said by ifarrell:

[Are you kidding? Inflation?
I didn't realize inflation in 2008 was 11%, which is what my rates went up in January 2009.
I also didn't realize 2007 inflation was 8% which is the rate increase for January 2008.
There was also a rather odd inflation which, at least in this area, caused the price of the 'Broadcast' tier to increase by about 15% just as the 'Digital transition' was taking place....
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Absolutely right!

I don't know why this obsession with TWC.

quote:
As you might expect, options like "shut up and offer me a la carte pricing" or "help pay for it by cutting your CEO's salary" weren't available.

As a matter of fact I did go to the voting site and added my comment requesting the 'ala carte' option.

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Re: Not really a stunt

I'm sure they'll be getting right on that.
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Re: Not really a stunt

I'm not stupid, I know they wont but at least my comment got trough something that the original post stated it couldn't.

It is like everything in life, do you really think Comcast, Verizon, AT&T or the US government care of what you say or want?

I don't really care if TWC costs 50 or 500 dollar a month if I am satisfied with the service... and I am. If I compare what I pay now with what others pay for similar products I feel I'm getting my money's worth.

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said by jsz0:

This story seems to be really biased or the author isn't aware that just about every video provider has raised rates between about $3-$10 this year.
Well yeah when you have a duopoly you can do that.

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I am always a bit curious how some of their

meetings go when they come up with this stuff

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Roll over already.

They "got tough" and lost me my HDNet and HDnet movies.
They almost lost all Viacom channels. They still have no HD agreement whatsoevery with Viacom because they "got tough".

Raise my bill $5 a month already and give me my bloody HDNet channels back, and add the Viacom channels in HD.

Granted, I could do without the Viacom channels really, but since TWC would NEVER EVER give people a DISCOUNT for losing them, we might as well watch them in HD when we do.
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Compare

You should compare the national rates with areas that have some real competition like Lafayette, LA. The only way rates go down is if there is real competition. It's annual rate-hike business as usual otherwise.
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Go ahead and drop all the sports channels

I don't care if ESPN takes my ABC affiliate with it; it's not worth that much every month for all these channels I never watch.

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Re: Go ahead and drop all the sports channels

That's part of the issue. If they really were concerned about value, sock sports customers SPECIFICALLY with the costs of live retransmission games, and cut some slack for the TV viewers who only love the occasional bout with the Food Channel.

There's a lot of disingenuous bullshit buried under Time Warner Cable's latest campaign.

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Re: Go ahead and drop all the sports channels

You're misunderstanding how it works.

Disney wants EVERY cable subscriber to have ESPN so that they can get a free PER subscriber. If TWC tried to move ESPN to a sports only tier just so that sports watchers would pay for it, Disney would pull ESPN and then they would help DirecTV/Dish/Verizon/AT&T advertise that they still have ESPN available.

TWC already had this fight with the NFL network. The NFL wanted it on a tier that all subscribers receive (except basic), which means they'd get money per subscriber out of millions of customers. TWC wanted to put it on a sports tier and only have those people pay for it.

The NFL didn't let them do it, and then helped DirecTV advertise that they had the NFL Network available.

Unless EVERY cable and satellite provider plays hardball with Disney, ESPN is still going to be paid for by you, me, and everyone that doesn't give 2 shits about it.

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Re: Go ahead and drop all the sports channels

Agreed. For my money, Karl Bode got it right. The future is quite simply pay for the shows you want. Even today, I have a MASSIVE collection of TV shows I have recorded (sans commercials), that I store on my NAS. Guess what, I PAID for them when I paid my cable bill. If they honestly think I will ever pay for them AGAIN (re: dvd release of tv show), they are sadly mistaken. I budget $200 a month for entertainment. That includes cable tv, bars and drinks, and equipment to record what I want. That's a reasonable number to keep me entertained. Note: I NEVER go to the movies. Ever. The last movie I ever went to was 'The Matrix', and that was 10 years ago. I don't like the overpriced tickets, the overpriced food, and the crappy audience noise. If I want to watch a movie, I use netflix, rip it to my server, and ship it back. Guess what, I PAID for it. I PAID netflix for the movie. The fact that I moved it to a different medium so I could time shift it does not take away from the fact that someone got paid for my entertainment. I PAID to get the TV shows on cable, someone got paid. The fact that I record it for later watching doesn't change that fact. I refuse to live by the stupid 'prime time' that they so much want everyone to live by. I watch the TV shows and movies when I want to, not when they think I should. I guess, well, I'm sure, I'm breaking a ton of laws doing what I do, but, I just..don't...care.. I paid for it, I get to USE it on MY terms, not some legalese contract they think I should follow. The ONLY thing I watch on LIVE TV is sports, and guess what, I can live without it.
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Remember 1 in 4 people are retarded. 25% of Americans are Republican. Coincidence? I don't think so.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: Go ahead and drop all the sports channels

Anti-piracy advocates in 3 2 1....

karlmarx

join:2006-09-18
iraq

The problem is BUNDLING

Even tkjunkmail has GOT to admit, the fundamental problem with rate hikes is bundling. I.E. If you want to have ABC Family, you MUST CARRY ESPN and the like. If we really wanted to bring the rate hikes under control, it's very simple. FORCE companies to offer a-la-carte programming. NO-ONE can tell me that today we don't have the technical means to allow people to sign up for just the channels they want to recieve. I, personally, would probably only sign up for 8-9 channels. I sure as hell wouldn't sign up for any shopping channels, religious channels, sports channels. I don't CARE if they charge me $3-4 dollars per channel, it would still be a lot cheaper for me. I sure as hell don't want to support the greedy sports teams. Hell, if the NFL wanted to make all their games on 'high cost' channels, that's their right. BUT, I am willing to bet that viewership would plummet, and they net revenues would fall like a rock.
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Remember 1 in 4 people are retarded. 25% of Americans are Republican. Coincidence? I don't think so.

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Boomer86
never say roadkill
Premium
join:2002-10-18
Walden, NY

TWC is too expensive

The lowest cost digital package with one STB rental here is almost $60 a month! I downgraded to basic and now pay less than $20; it wasn't fun BUT I get all the channels I need, even a couple of 1080i and 720i HD channels.

The good part? At least we're not in Comcast territory, we'd be paying even higher rates.
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rjdriver

@cox.net

Re: TWC is too expensive

Have you tried OTA?

SpammedbyTW

@tigerden.com

Vote not 'tilted', but RIGGED!

I do NOT have TW (or any other) cable TV service. I do have a TW Cable internet access account (too far away from CO for DSL).

Despite having my privacy preferences listed as Service Bulletins Only, TW apparently spammed their entire user base with this 'Roll Over or Get Tough' garbage.

Not only was the message pure spam, but the URL link provided to the 'voting' site was pre-loaded with the 'Get Tough' selection embedded in the URL, so anyone clicking on the link to find out what the whole thing was about would register a 'Get Tough' vote.

I didn't click on anything since I read mail in a text-only client and examined where the link went.

This is PURE MARKETING SLEAZE!

rjdriver

@cox.net

good ole days

Ahhhhhh.....for the good old days, when broadcasters only got to raise rates on their advertisers. Of course they had to proove ratings increases to do that back then.

Now - they just do it. And get away with it.

Can you spell MONOPOLY.

ericn32
meh
Premium
join:2009-09-23
Costa Mesa, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

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Don't Ads Defray Costs?

I know that all of the TV companies insert an average of 150 ads per day on most cable networks, which works out about 4,500 ads in a good month.
In 4500 ads per month, valued at $0.001 per subscriber, TWC could probably pay the $0.50-$3.50 per month subscriber fee for each network. And our cable bills rise each year...

Oh, yeah, and this goes too for all pay-TV providers who insert ads (practically all of them)

UPDATE:
I kind of jumped the gun on these numbers, my bad. Even if ads don't pay the costs of the subscriber fees in full (what I figured is only a fraction of the actual costs), they could still knock off at least $10-20 off your monthly bill (a safe guess, I assume).

stimrod

@rr.com

Re: Don't Ads Defray Costs?

said by ericn32:

I know that all of the TV companies insert an average of 150 ads per day on most cable networks, which works out about 4,500 ads in a good month.
In 4500 ads per month, valued at $0.001 per subscriber, TWC could probably pay the $0.50-$3.50 per month subscriber fee for each network. And our cable bills rise each year...

Oh, yeah, and this goes too for all pay-TV providers who insert ads (practically all of them)
How do your numbers make any sense at all? If TWC could pay for all of the channels per month per subscriber just on advertising sold alone, then why is their profit margin only 30%?

Wouldn't their profit margin be outrageous if they paid for all channels with advertising alone and still take monthly fees from customers?

The reason your numbers don't make any sense is because it is impossible for every customer to watch every ad on every channel every month. So advertising sold by TWC makes them money, but it doesn't make them as much money as you figure.
Phil Karn2

join:2004-06-14
San Diego, CA

Unbundle everything

If TWC really wants to convince us that their rate increases are due solely to increased programming costs, here's how they could do it.

Unbundle everything. Provide only Internet access, with good IP multicast support. When you want to watch a program, your TV, computer or set top box authenticates itself with the provider (e.g., HBO), retrieves the appropriate decryption keys, and joins the appropriate IP multicast group. TWC just delivers the bits to you; they have no other role. In particular, they do not choose which channels or programs are available to you. They'll carry anything and everything available on the Internet.

Basically this is exactly how AT&T U-verse operates now, except that AT&T generates the IP multicast streams from more conventional program sources. I propose that the IP multicast program streams would originate at the providers and fed to TWC and the other broadband providers by regular Internet-type facilities.

Service companies independent of TWC, Cox, Comcast and all the other local broadband carriers could manage subscriptions, packages and billing on behalf of the program providers. Such companies already exist for the C-band satellite TV market.

Then, with TWC billing only for a communications service, completely separate from all programming, they should never have to increase their rates again. Right?

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