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 ·ooma
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FiOS
| where it counts? You'd think they'd do more hiring for PLANT upgrades and revise offerings maybe split some nodes and outside construction too? How about some FTTP? There's no reason you HAVE to stick with coax in the last mile? Afterall, google fiber is going coax inside the home too.. wouldn't it be nice to have an analogous product that can compete bit for bit? Don't expect docsis 4.0 to come flying out of R&D anytime soon to save you!
Time Warner better start offering at LEAST a 300mbit tier in the next 6 months or they won't have customers in overlapping geography.. playing the we're the town employer bit isnt' gonna do much.. Time Warner isn't walmart or a coal mining company.. and certainly not General (Sam) Motors.
Docsis 3 is no competition for gigabit fiber.. The only thing they can do is compete on price.. I'm looking for 300mbit for ~$50.. this somewhat approaches sanity in an apples to apples comparison. Afterall there is no mid-grade/half-way tier btw 5mbit and 1000mbit (for half the price.. $35-$50).. it's all 1000 or the free 5mbit service. That can pave the way for additional competition in the northeast, if it happens. Not holding breath.. TWC is a company that would have usage caps & overages if they could get away with it.. | |
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 | | | Re: where it counts? 300mbit for $50? By their own metrics they'd be losing money and would not be the best PR as their other markets are going to notice the major price disparity. TW's best bet might be to consider KC to be a 'lost' market, ignore google, and let the chips fall. Fibre's great, but google fibre is no threat to their overall business. | |
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| |  GbcueP.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | Re: where it counts? said by JasonOD :their other markets are going to notice the major price disparity. That's the point. | |
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| | | | | Re: where it counts? said by Gbcue:said by JasonOD :their other markets are going to notice the major price disparity. That's the point. The point is that they should try to compete on price with an obvious "loss leader" that is subsidized by other business within Google, and enrage their other markets that would want to be at that price point?
Why is everyone assuming that Google is making profit on the prices they are charging? They don't have to, it's not their only business or product. | |
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| | | | | Re: where it counts? and i've been waiting on that $5+ gas that AAA has been claiming for the last 5+ years. Still hasn't hit. | |
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| | | | Re: where it counts? said by LightS:If they could do a 300/100 plan for around that price, and I didn't have google fiber available, I'd likely get it. However, with their current pricing model for that area, they will have to ramp up their infrastructure
I had Time Warner for the last 26 months and I was very fond of them. That being said, i'd take gfiber over TWC any day of the week if I had the choice..
Besides price, what exactly do you know about Google's Internet service, TV service, and customer service that would make you switch any day of the week? | |
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| | |  LightSPremium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | Re: where it counts? Nothing. The price is enough for me to give it a shot. | |
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| | | said by tmc8080:Afterall, google fiber is going coax inside the home too..
Wait, do you mean for standard televisions, or does all of the data on the fiber at some point come in over coaxial? | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: where it counts? Google Fiber can use WiFi, coax or Ethernet to connect its set top boxes to its "Storage Box" (DVR). | |
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| | UnnDunnPremium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Coax is more than adequate to deliver any sort of data around the home. And chances are you already have a perfectly serviceable in-home Coax network. No sense deploying an in-home Fiber or Ethernet network (at least, not for Google Fiber purposes) when you've got Coax right there. | |
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| | | | | Re: where it counts? said by UnnDunn:Coax is more than adequate to deliver any sort of data around the home. And chances are you already have a perfectly serviceable in-home Coax network. No sense deploying an in-home Fiber or Ethernet network (at least, not for Google Fiber purposes) when you've got Coax right there.
So the idea is that for each machine, you get (or buy, I'm not sure which) a converter? | |
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| elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | What counts is the video package, not the ridiculous Gbit speeds.
Unless Google offers its TV lineup with their $300 "free" 5M tier, they will find themselves losing and ... leaving. | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: where it counts? Why the heck would they need to do that? You're shortchanging the fact that many folks don't want linear TV anymore. You can also continue to get TV from somewhere else. | |
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| | | elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Re: where it counts? said by iansltx:Why the heck would they need to do that? You're shortchanging the fact that many folks don't want linear TV anymore. You can also continue to get TV from somewhere else.
Why?
Because given a choice, Mom is going to go with $70 for Cable TV+Broadband, not $120 for faster broadband and less video. Dad only wants his ESPN. Mom wants to keep Dad at home on the couch, not at the Sports Bar.
While it may seem dated and unsophisticated to you, the majority of households choose "Linear TV" as you call it.
Google didn't broker a new iTunes deal with the content industry, the networks or broadcasters to change the way in which their product is priced, bundled, and sold. They just made a faster pipe available in a beta town, which most people don't want or need except for bragging rights. The faster pipe will not induce [IPTV/OTT] video competition. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: where it counts? Do you have linear TV? I notice that you've got a review there for Sonic.net...
I'd be curious to know the numbers on folks who derive enough value out of ESPN to pay the price for it. Because my bet is that the $70 TWC double play is going to cut corners somewhere... | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Re: where it counts? We don't have pay-tv, period. We "cut" that portion of our cable bill many years ago, when one channel was costing us $62+/month. But we're the exception - no one we know goes without.
As for Sonic, we're the steerage class. We get to pay full rack rate, but enjoy none of the benefits. While we're told Fusion is coming, it hasn't arrived yet, and when it does, we'll be part of the new child class, wherein we have no choice but to buy dialtone and pay the usurious taxes that accompany it, as well as the mandatory modem rental, and I expect performance will be, at best, around 1Mbit, while others enjoy "up to" 20mbits for the same price.
TWC can do double-play for $70/month, no problem. They won't do it forever, but they will for the 2-3 years it takes to knock the wind out of Google's sails. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: where it counts? Why do you think that Sonic.net will only hit 1 Mbps at your location? Too many wire feet out? | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Re: where it counts? Loop length is somewhere between 14K and 18K depending on who is measuring.
We're currently doing 500kbps and less, despite new copper, new inside wiring, and the industry-standard external splitter. Upgrading to ADSL2+ should show a doubling if the pair remains the same quality. Maybe we'll get lucky at hit 2Mbits - its a total crapshoot.
Sonic's CEO tells us that having the slowest connections pay the same rate as the fastest, forcing us to pay for dialtone we don't want, and forcing us to rent a modem is all good, because big companies do it. | |
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| | | | | | and 1Gig Internet has been in homes for YEARS. CWRU was the first ones to put it out. After that some munis put it out. And they don't even fully use it as most servers will NOT allow you to transfer out that fast. It's a moot point to even have. And if the public did want it- they could get it already from their local MSOs. | |
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| | | | Just use rabitts ears antenna for local HD with google fiber!
And with user generated content who needs HBO, borring! | |
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| brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by tmc8080:Afterall, google fiber is going coax inside the home too..
There's no point in using fiber within the home even up to 10Gb speeds. | |
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| | | | Re: where it counts? said by brad:There's no point in using fiber within the home even up to 10Gb speeds.
With fiber, you could take structured wiring to its logical conclusion. You could bundle it with the 120V electric cables. No electrons flowing = no cross-talk.
This would cut the install costs for new construction, while providing ubiquitous access to wired networking at every outlet. Plus, all the advantages that fiber carries in terms of future expandability. | |
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| | | | | Re: where it counts? I like that idea, everything at one big connection box. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: where it counts? said by davidhoffman:I like that idea, everything at one big connection box.
Except you can do that already and you don't have to replace everything connected to your network with non-existent equipment that has fiber ports. | |
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| | | There have been other local fiber services offering 100mbit to 1gbit before Google Fiber in areas where there are a phone company and a cable company (before DOCSIS3 was available), and still not all customers switched over. So they will still have customers in overlapping geography. | |
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| | | said by tmc8080:There's no reason you HAVE to stick with coax in the last mile? Afterall, google fiber is going coax inside the home too.. I was at the 'Fiber Space' last week and saw the product. It is fiber all the way into the home and to the 'network' box. Everything else in the home is either wireless or ethernet, no coax.
It was impressive to watch a 4K video on you tube without buffering.
Google Fiber is surely a game changer for EVERYONE in the US. It's going to force every provider here to catch up with the rest of the world Thanks Google! | |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Forgot about the cable companies! AT&T is probably thinking good riddance. Time Warner has a lot to lose. If Google can overcome the barriers to entry anywhere, then Time Warner could lose lots of subscribers everywhere.
Really the best thing they could do is sell TV and internet at cost, and hope that Google is discouraged from spreading. I think there would be antitrust restrictions on funding below-cost prices here from internet/TV in other parts of the country. | |
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| | | Re: Forgot about the cable companies! Time Warner can make a big deal about saying we have.
MLB EI
NBA LP
NHL CI
ESPN
AMC (they make a big deal about Not being on DISH)
Time Warner channels
TNT
TBS
CNN
Disney
HBO and CINEMAX
FS / FSN / FOX channels. | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: Forgot about the cable companies! Maybe TWC should push a video/voice double play in KC, since Google has no voice component (why should they? Sprint Android phones work just fine) and their TV service lacks some channels that TWC has. This means that Google will get a lot of 'net-only customers, sure, and it also means that those 'net-only customers will be just one upgrade away from video service, should Google decide to add more channels at better pricing than TWC. But it's probably better for TWC to take that risk than to spend ton upgrading its systems to match Google's. | |
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| | | | Also, Time warner is cheaper than google for TV. Google is not being competitive on the tv price at all. | |
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| | | | said by Joe12345678:Time Warner can make a big deal about saying we have.
MLB EI, etc...
Will be surprising if Google doesn't have most of those contracts signed before signing up first TV customer and the rest by end of year. Disney/ESPN has specifically said they are working with Google. AMC/Turner too. | |
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| | | | | Re: Forgot about the cable companies! They don't have any TV customers yet?
then why say we have the Olympics channels that are now over. | |
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 ·Millenicom
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| Re: Forgot about the cable companies! NBC affiliates carry the Olympics, thus the future Olympic channel was covered. Also you will be able to stream some if you are a pay TV subscriber. What it meant was that in 2 years when the Winter Olympics are broadcast, Google Fiber TV will be able to show them. | |
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| | | said by axus:Really the best thing they could do is sell TV and internet at cost, and hope that Google is discouraged from spreading. I think there would be antitrust restrictions on funding below-cost prices here from internet/TV in other parts of the country.
You can google this, the city of North Kansas City used a ton of excess casino revenue to build out their own fiber service delivering internet and tv several years ago. TWC sued to prevent them from doing this, and LOST! Poetic justice right? I think the service is called Linkcity and can be found at linkcity.org.
TWC has been getting it from all sides here in KC over the past 10 years. Linkcity, EverestKC and Uverse. All competitors and in their markets. Plus Sprint's home is here.
As they say in the show 'Oklahoma': "everything's up to date in Kansas City"! | |
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| | Competition WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT... Hold the phone. You mean, that JUST maybe.... that since google came into town, time Warner might be REQUIRED to compete on something???? but... but..... the market is already competitive.... you already have 1 other provider /Sarcasm
I suspect you will see Time Warner and (i think) ATT will start o offer prices just below googles price offering, abit slower speeds or offering to extend "promotional prices" if the customer tries to leave. Funny how that works, dont you think? | |
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·SureWest Internet
| Surewest I wonder what Surewest is thinking. I'm sure that sooner or later Google Fiber will overlap with Surewest Fiber and Surewest is still stuck at 50/50 for $150 a month. I haven't heard them say anything in terms of speed increases or price drops anytime soon.
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My Internetz: Surewest 50/5, CenturyLink 10/896, AT&T U-verse 18/1.5, Sprint 4G Hotspot
Computer: i7 2600k@4.5GHz, GA-P67a-UD7-B3, 16GB DDR3, GTX 580 and GTX 260, Corsair 750W, Antec 1200 | |
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·Millenicom
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| Re: Surewest Let us say I own a diner. I have a hamburger steak dinner that you can buy for $10. That includes tax and a decent tip. A new guy come to town and says he is going to open a diner and the total bill will be $5 for a 24oz Ribeye with 4 side dishes, drink, dessert, tax and tip. First, I am going to wait and see if this guy really builds the restaurant. If it does get built, then I will wait and see if people actually like the food. He could be serving USDA Canner Grade beef. If people do not like the taste of the food, he gets to go out of business. Google has a notorious history of project delays, cancellations, and a customer service attitude that does not exceed expectations or excite users. Why respond to something now that may sink in one minute after it leaves the shipyard? | |
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| | | | Re: Surewest very true! especially since they only have to operate and own the network for 2 YEARS! In those 2 years a lot can change and those shareholders- again are going to want to see a ROI- weather its being paid to them or the company is banking it for the time being, someone is going to want $$$$.
SureWest will probably be the ones buying this network in the end. | |
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| | | said by powerspec88:I wonder what Surewest is thinking. I'm sure that sooner or later Google Fiber will overlap with Surewest Fiber and Surewest is still stuck at 50/50 for $150 a month. I haven't heard them say anything in terms of speed increases or price drops anytime soon.
Surewest is really probably the only game that may be able to compete head to head. They have fiber run to the pole (curb) and convert to coax from there. All they would need to do is finish it by running that fiber into the home. | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| Double play...TWC can't compete on Internet TWC's latest rental modems are 8x4 channel bonded. They top out at around 300/65 (aka Comcast's latest tier), realistically...and that's pushing it. TWC could get 24x8 modems to get closer to a gigabit down, but they'd have to upgrade their plant a ton to find 24 internet QAMs (and they'd probably want 32 to spread load).
In short, TWC can't compete on speed with GFiber. They can compete on price, but they're the cable company so they don't like doing that. Competing on price is DSL territory.
So what should TWC do? What it's better at than Google: TV (more channels) and phone (GFiber doesn't have it). Push TV service in the $50 range (maybe a bit more if there are some really good channels that Google doesn't have) and phone service in the $20 range (Sprint's home phone over CDMA service is $20) as part of a double play bundle, then send folks to Google for Internet since TWC can't compete there. Revenues will go down, but TWC doesn't have to upgrade their plant a ton to match (or even get close to) GFiber specs. | |
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| brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Double play...TWC can't compete on Internet I'd rather go to a VoIP carrier over going with MSO for phone service. What they provide is overpriced. | |
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| | | said by iansltx:TWC's latest rental modems are 8x4 channel bonded. They top out at around 300/65 (aka Comcast's latest tier), realistically...and that's pushing it. TWC could get 24x8 modems to get closer to a gigabit down, but they'd have to upgrade their plant a ton to find 24 internet QAMs (and they'd probably want 32 to spread load).
There is one little glimmer of hope for TWC, at least on the Kansas side of the state line. 20 years ago it was called Telecable, the cable company that was here when TWC bought it. Telecable had a A/B, dual cable system. When TWC took over the shut down the B side and that wire went dark. That cable is still up in many places if not all. I always wondered why they never lit that up for road runner. Now they have a reason. | |
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| | You are forgetting one important thing!! What you are all missing is that if you go with TWC's new tiered program they give you a $5.00 savings, who needs Google Fiber when you have metered data and a $5.00 discount?
Sarcastic of course | |
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| | Time Warner give up in KC You are competing with an incredible bandwidth that you will never achieve at the speed or price like Google. So Adios TW | |
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hedyd4uPremium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
| Who cares about TV The TV packages are useless only the internet matters. 7,000 homes pre order in first week seems very low though since the major cost is the initial install and the amount of time that install needs to be active and paying before the initial costs are made up is not stated anywhere. I do want to see this succeed and would like to see google fiber in Schenectady NY. Verizon stopped fios in Schenectady and I am about 200 feet from a street that has it. | |
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·Millenicom
·AT&T Southeast
·Verizon Wireless..
| Re: Who cares about TV During the first week there were a lot of problems with the multiple unit condominiums and apartment buildings getting registered with Google Fiber. It seems Google, a supposed master of information management, had significantly messed up the address registry for those types of buildings. There are many more registrations now.
The TV portion matters to many potential customers. The games of "chicken" between Google and certain content providers will continue for a while. No rush to settle, as no residential customer has actual Google Fiber service. The closer Google gets to providing actual service to the first fiberhood, the more pressure will be to come to an agreement. | |
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| | | | Re: Who cares about TV Actually most multi unit buildings still cant register including mine. They blame the City provided data. Google reps are coming to our condo building this weekend to manually enter registrations themselves. | |
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·Millenicom
·AT&T Southeast
·Verizon Wireless..
| Re: Who cares about TV I imagine a lot of yellow to green by Tuesday if Google is doing that all over both cities this weekend. The KCMO fiberhood map does seem to have little of the randomness seen in the KCKS map. Maybe these multiple unit address fouls are partially to blame for that. | |
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| | haha haha this is funny, their forced to hire weather or not they want to cause of competition.., one day all of them will see the same fate, it comes down to weather or not they are willing to change or just stay the same
everything changes givin time | |
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 HankSearching for a new FrontierPremium
join:2002-05-21
Burlington, WV
kudos:1 | Competition works? Now if we could only get competition in rural areas. | |
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·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Competition works? said by Hank:Now if we could only get competition in rural areas.
All about the priorities.. with WV, it's coal.. with NY it's Wall Street.. telecom is way down on the list (not just in the boondocks, but in major metro areas too), maybe a couple of notches higher for Ny Metro, given the track record of the world's record of installed fiber optics. | |
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| | | this isn't competition. this is a company using the public as a test market and making them pay to do it when they should be the ones getting paid. In 2 years Google will pull out and all will be forgotten as "google did all they could" blah blah blah. The same as their TV Project and their Nexus BS of unlocked phones that never took off. | |
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| | | | Re: Competition works? Caps and low bandwidth providers threaten the future of YouTube. Google has to take action to prevent YouTube from becoming the next MySpace because of bad bandwidth providers. | |
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·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Competition works? said by neumannu47:Caps and low bandwidth providers threaten the future of YouTube. Google has to take action to prevent YouTube from becoming the next MySpace because of bad bandwidth providers.
Piracy, or copyright violations are the golden goose app., like it or not..
a substatntial draw for youtube is for people to find clips of content for various entertainment and personal use purposes.. inserting links to blog writings is commonly popular, for example... much of this content is copyrighted..
Does google get a "PASS" on this if they censor their search engine? Hmm... sounds fishy to me. Google is but one of several dozen search engines.. of course the top 6 are the most known & popular..
google, yahoo, ask, bing, baidu, excite... | |
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