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kudos:1 | lets charge overages for digital cable Why don't we put GB caps on the amount of Digital Cable/Mpeg2 transport stream you can watch per month? HD will eat your bucket faster unless you watch an "economy HD" stream (most are anyways right now  ).
The cable boxes already record and send back ever remote press you do and what you watch to headquarters for data mining. Charging digital cable by the GB would be as easy as pie. $1 a GB, which is about 45 mins of SDTV. | |
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| said by patcat88:Why don't we put GB caps on the amount of Digital Cable/Mpeg2 transport stream you can watch per month? HD will eat your bucket faster unless you watch an "economy HD" stream (most are anyways right now ). The cable boxes already record and send back ever remote press you do and what you watch to headquarters for data mining. Charging digital cable by the GB would be as easy as pie. $1 a GB, which is about 45 mins of SDTV. that is my idea i going to sue you | |
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00000 | Now isn't the time... ...to illegally abuse your market position and bend customers over a barrel just because you want to profiteer while defending your insanely profitable VOD and video revenues from superior competitors like Apple, Microsoft, Netflix, Hulu and Amazon. | |
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| | | Re: Now isn't the time... They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. | |
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kudos:12 | Re: Now isn't the time... said by hottboiinnc:They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. Unfortunately, when you get into the game of suing people so they can't compete with you, your whole argument goes out the window. | |
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| | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... No its not out the window. You can compete. YOU can build our own network. Anyone can build their own network. I'm sure TWC won't sue you. I'm sure they won't see ATT for expanding. They sued when it started to come down to tax-payer money. You have choices, I have choices, if you don't like the choices, change providers or BUILD OUT your own network. And thanks to VZ fiber is getting cheaper. | |
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1 edit | Re: Now isn't the time... But what if they're the only game in town?....then what?
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Now isn't the time... said by hottboiinnc:If you don't like it then build your own? Better idea: Government takes over last mile and then allows anyone to be their own ISP at the same rate. That way the issue of easements and access is solved.
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00000 | Re: Now isn't the time... I like this idea. Then lease the lines to competing content providers. So you can buy service from Comcast, Time Warner, DSL Extreme or whoever you want. | |
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| said by hottboiinnc:Start your own? Wild Blue? Hughes Net? You have options. If you don't like it then build your own? Oh please what a vacuous comment. Build your own what are you smoking. It is almost impossible for someone to start anything. With the endless government red tape, established ISP suing, politicians demanding a piece of the action in the form of campaign contributions, getting rights of way for feed lines or zoning for wireless delivery towers, etc, etc, etc, etc. What is the story here do you have a vested interest in seeing metered billing is as reality.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... You must not have heard of Wireless using Moto Canopy? Many WISPs here on this board did that. Most use other equipment so you can't claim red tape. Just another person on here claiming that its not possible. | |
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2 edits | Re: Now isn't the time... If they don't want to sell their products on their merits instead of market position abuse let them surrender their franchises.
Perhaps it's time these ISPs are regulated like public and private utilities so they have to pass these increases only after PUC approval. | |
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You're joking right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry, It's just so funny that you used those two companies as an example for high speed internet and caps... | |
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1 edit | Yeah, tell that to the munis who try only to have incumbent providers bribe politicians into passing laws stopping them.
So the claim that anyone can just build out a network is horseshit. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Now isn't the time... I agree.
Telco/Cable Co will attempt to slow down/impede progress on competition so that they DO NOT have to compete directly (like Cablevision/Comcast vs. Verizon FiOS).
Muni broadband is easier to sue against, as its taxpayer money vs. business.
"robust competition in the broadband marketplace ensures that service providers will act in consumers' best interests."
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2 edits | Re: Now isn't the time... Wrong, not anyone can.
If TWC doesn't want to play by fair and simple rules, let them surrender their franchises. Whether it's media, manufacturing, medicine, software...all businesses are subject to rules and regulations prohibiting them from abusing their market position in their engagement of competitors.
If TWC doesn't like it, let them conduct business in another country. | |
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1 edit | Re: Now isn't the time... If they don't provide you service then who is going to? Comcast so they can do the same? Maybe they can just up and rip the cables out of the city and leave ya sit without shit.
And by the way since when is it a law that says what they have to give you and how they have to give it? I don't remember seeing that one. | |
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1 edit | Re: Now isn't the time... Since forever. You don't think business practices including predatory pricing and antitrust isn't regulated? Never heard of Microsoft?
The gov't isn't going to tell them what flavor water to have in their cafeteria but they can certainly investigate them suddenly instituting caps with the obvious goal of controlling online video competition or blackmailing content providers into paying a bounty to reach their customers. | |
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Tulsa, OK | said by hottboiinnc:Anyone can. You can go out and build your own network. Nobody said ANYONE included the gov't. Really, so I can just come on over to your place and start installing my equipment and cables all over your property? Nope. I can't. And not anyone else's either, therefore, I can't "Just build my own."
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00000 | Re: Now isn't the time... No kidding. If TWC wants to play the "what's minez be minez" game, let them start paying $10/ft a month in rent on all their easements including those that sit on otherwise private homeowner property. They don't get to plop a big ugly box down in my yard and play the "minez" game. | |
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| | | | | | | | | In Ohio you can. All it takes is $2000 and you can install what you want.
But then again you should know this since it was posted on here back when ATT changed the laws. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Now isn't the time... said by hottboiinnc:In Ohio you can. All it takes is $2000 and you can install what you want. But then again you should know this since it was posted on here back when ATT changed the laws. Nonsense. AT&T pushed specifically to keep CLEC's out of RT's and DSLAMS.
You could put Equipment in a CO, but that's the extent of your build out.
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2 edits | said by hottboiinnc:Anyone can. You can go out and build your own network. Nobody said ANYONE included the gov't. Tell that to Google. Remember they tried to set up a network for free wifi in San Fransico. The City of San Fransico acted like the cost of this system was coming out of their own pockets. They laided down so many conditions that Google walked away. If Google with their almost bottomless pockets couldn't do it what makes you thing you, or I could. 
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... That's google. Hell I would have done the same with Google as much bullshit they do. Can't use Google Voice for voicemail but yet they market the product for that? Com'on. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... said by hottboiinnc:That's google. Hell I would have done the same with Google as much bullshit they do. Can't use Google Voice for voicemail but yet they market the product for that? Com'on. So anyone can setup their own network unless it is someone you don't like?  | |
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This is an illustration of how New York looked in the late 19th century when, in fact, anyone could build their own network. Lots of startup phone companies, all stringing their own wire. Telephone poles had dozens of cross bars. It soon became clear that this wasn't going to work: ungainly, uggggly, and lots of duplicated work. It was recognized that the wiring of a city is an example of what is called a natural monopoly. In recognition of this fact, locations granted a single company the right to wire that city...this lead to the Ma Bell monopoly. In exchange for the right to build and own the network (and limits on who could compete...nowdays called a franchise), there were certain restrictions placed on the monopoly company.
The modern situation has not changed that much. The nature of the network is different (it's all about data now and not circuit switched telephone networks), but the natural monopoly still exists in some form (in many locations it's a duopoly: ILEC and cable franchise).
It's clearly within the public's right to impose certain conditions on any grant of a license to operate a franchise. To say that it's the companies' network to do with as they see fit is wrong, ignorant of history and the legal environment within which these companies operate.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... "This is an illustration of how New York looked like in the late 18th century when, in fact, anyone could build their own network. Lots of startup phone companies, all stringing their own wire."
So what were the wires used for in the late 1700's?
If it is the late 19th century, how about a real pic? | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... Right. Correction, late 19th century (1800's). I've seen real pictures with the massively stacked telephone poles, but I couldn't find one quickly. The illustration is not far off. | |
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1 edit | Can someone identify/source this image? I want to use it in future projects.
NM, found it! And it's in the public domain! It's listed in the Book of Old New York. Henry Collins Brown. 1913.
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Mechanicsville, VA | I think we all need to petition hottboiinnc  's provider to start charging him $2.50 per KB. Then when he complains we can tell HIM to build his own network. | |
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kudos:1 | said by ropeguru:I think we all need to petition hottboiinnc 's provider to start charging him $2.50 per KB. Then when he complains we can tell HIM to build his own network. Oh come on, first class mail is cheaper at 2KB per 1 side of 8x11 paper. | |
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Mechanicsville, VA | Re: Now isn't the time... said by patcat88:said by ropeguru:I think we all need to petition hottboiinnc 's provider to start charging him $2.50 per KB. Then when he complains we can tell HIM to build his own network. Oh come on, first class mail is cheaper at 2KB per 1 side of 8x11 paper. Maybe so, but remember that it is their network and they can do with it whatever they want. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... That's right. Mr. Block's family members built the network on their own dime. Not the cities nor states or anyone elses. And why would they cap me? ATT already does that it just gives them more power over them. Besides NOT being Union and offering better service and lower rates. | |
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Were it that easy, don't you think there'd be significantly more competitors in most American markets? "Build your own network" in an age where incumbent operators appreciate the protection of well-lobbied regulators is kind of like telling a kid with broken legs to go fight Mike Tyson in a ring with a fixed referee if he's so unhappy with all that time he has to spend on the couch. | |
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1 edit | Re: Now isn't the time... Well, he IS a well-known paid astroturf of the cable industry here so no surprise he's spewing utter BS... check his history and you get the picture: »/postlist/887660?cat=start
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kudos:2 | Re: Now isn't the time... Ya you'd think they could get better value for their dollar at that rate...
I guess this is why they stoop to these tactics rather than compete.
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kudos:8 | said by hottboiinnc:... They sued when it started to come down to tax-payer money. You have choices, I have choices, if you don't like the choices, change providers or BUILD OUT your own network. And thanks to VZ fiber is getting cheaper. EXCELLENT! That's just what we as a community should be able to do without some outsiders sticking their noses in our local home rule government.
Our community has local government owned and controlled schools, water, sewer, streets, traffic control, emergency medical services, street lighting, law enforcement and fire protection. We also spend taxpayer money to build out this infrastructure and capacity to attract and retain businesses and encourage residential growth.
So, it should be our choice if we as taxpayers want to include internet infrastructure in our package of public services for our schools libraries and public facilities, and to attract and protect business, residential and economic growth.
VZ fiber hasn't made one whit of a difference here, since they aren't and won't be here in the foreseeable future. So, we should have the right to use our own local tax money to build our own services without you folks telling us how to run our community and spend our tax money.
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2 edits | said by hottboiinnc:They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. Yeah, rrrrriiiight.
Just like as they compete with Cablevision - wait, somehow mysteriously their service areas EXCLUDE each others' streets...
Fuckin' PoS monopolies.
PS: ah and how much do they pay you to come here and spread the BS, seriously? I could use some extra income...
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| | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... Go build your own and thank your city for creating them. You wanted TV and Phone. Well that was the only way you were going to get it back when they came out. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... Wait, I am confused..... so in one post you argue cable built their network all by them self and didnt have any "incentives or benefits" so it is "theirs". Then in this post you argue they were granted a monopoly because it was the only way to get it going back then.
So which is it? They either did it all by them self, or they were "given" a revenue stream to make their company capable of deploying the service and expanding and thus become the PoS monopoly / duopoly they are.
Once you figure that one out, then you can explain to the rest of us how it was they needed to be given this incentive to create the original networks, but yet you now claim just anybody can come on in to this industry without these benefits to create competition. So in the beginning when there was no competition it was harder to get going than now when there is already a duopoly / monopoly AND competition? | |
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Los Angeles, CA | said by hottboiinnc:They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. What a lame and stupid comment. GET REAL!!! | |
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| | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... how is it a lame or stupid comment? it is THEIR network. YOU DID NOT pay for it. the FEDS DID NOT pay for their network. They started small and got the size they did from cities that could not get anyone in. NOW many states have laws where ANYONE PRIVATE company can become a CATV/IP company if they want. Go spend your money and start building out.
If you don't like it don't use the damn provider you're on now. It's that easy. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Now isn't the time... Actually, "you"--as in every customer of the franchise did pay for it. The amount of profit, let alone revenue, generated from customers has many-times-over paid for "their" network. But you're right: you aren't "required" to use their service (and you aren't required to access the Internet). However, you may be required to pay for its support by way of your tax dollars going to the franchise (though you can expect most of that money will go into the pockets of executives and investors--which one are you?). | |
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Los Angeles, CA | Re: Now isn't the time... said by mod_wastrel:Actually, "you"--as in every customer of the franchise did pay for it. The amount of profit, let alone revenue, generated from customers has many-times-over paid for "their" network. But you're right: you aren't "required" to use their service (and you aren't required to access the Internet). However, you may be required to pay for its support by way of your tax dollars going to the franchise (though you can expect most of that money will go into the pockets of executives and investors--which one are you?). AMEN to that!!! | |
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Billings, MT | Sure.. I'll build my own network..
Oh wait.. Who's going to give me the millions of dollars up front to build it? You?
..and what's going to prevent TWC from smashing my idea into the ground? | |
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00000 | Re: Now isn't the time... Private venture groups could never deploy in this environment. Cable operators and incumbent telcos would simple go to politicians, bribe them and get them blocked from deployment just like they do with the munis.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Now isn't the time... It's a closed market, and as CLEC's have shown, it's VERY VERY tough to break into the closed market. It's not just the redtape, but the fact you don't have access to easements and rights of ways like the incumbents do.
Even if you had the money, they are going to block you at every turn from deploying, and the city and residents don't want you tearing up their streets or property for nothing. They expect compensation, upfront, and your network isn't even built and won't turn a profit for a long time--- assuming you can get through the red tape and the lawsuits.
And lets say you spent billions and finally greased all the palms, paid all the property owners, and finally got the network up and running---- Then and only then your incumbent carriers will literally GIVE AWAY their services to undercut you to make sure you fail. They have shown time and time again in areas where citizens insist on building their own networks and stuff that they will undercut and dump their services on the market cheap in order to drive the newcomer under.....
... then they return to the status quo.
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00000 | Re: Now isn't the time... said by KrK:And lets say you spent billions and finally greased all the palms, paid all the property owners, and finally got the network up and running---- Then and only then your incumbent carriers will literally GIVE AWAY their services to undercut you to make sure you fail. They have shown time and time again in areas where citizens insist on building their own networks and stuff that they will undercut and dump their services on the market cheap in order to drive the newcomer under..... ... then they return to the status quo. This is true. We saw Comcast engage in illegal predatory pricing more than once. In one instance on the side of town where Comcast didn't face muni competition TV and HSI was $97. On the side of town where they face muni competition they cut the price to $52...yeah, $52 for both digital cable AND HSI and the deal was good for 16 months. No where else did Comcast offer this illegal discount.
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Lake Forest, IL | said by hottboiinnc:They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. They were also allowed to build THEIR network under a monopoly situation.
Are you saying we should be able to allow someone else to come into an area and to set up a new cable provider and have a monopoly (say 10yrs) where TWC will not be allowed to provide services. It would only be fair to allow the new competitor time to build up THEIR network as well. Of course, in 10 years, we would need to switch again and allow the next new competitor to set up shop.
The only psuedo competition we have now is coming from the ILECs which got to their position via monopoly as well.
Due to the HUGE infrastructure head-start that the ILECs and CableCos were given, it would be unfeasible for someone to go set up greenfield. | |
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kudos:1 | said by hottboiinnc:They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. Try getting a PUC permit to be an ILEC, try, its grandfathered forever. PUC will tell you to goto the municipality for a telecom/video/whatever franchise which will let you hang wires on the poles, and a municipality won't approve it unless you grease the palms of every town council member to approve your franchise. I've researched it (hang OSP ethernet wire from my house to a neighbor's 1/2 a mile down the road who has cable and run a VDSL bridge, since TW wants $25K to extend the line). | |
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00000 | Re: Now isn't the time... Don't forget you will also spend millions defending yourself from cable/telco propaganda and lawsuits.
"We don't want to deploy or improve our infrastructure, but we don't want anyone else to deploy either". | |
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kudos:6 | said by hottboiinnc:They can do what they want with THEIR network. You are free to build your own and service customers the way you want. Nobody is making you use TWC or any other carrier. The lack of competition forces me to use a particular network.
I just finished a move from Hillsboro, Oregon to Washington, DC. My broadband choices in both places: Verizon DSL or Comcast.
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00000 | Re: Now isn't the time... And if you were to try and start a 3rd provider, both Verizon and Comcast would litigate you into the ground while bribing politicians to make whatever you are planning illegal. | |
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| | | | To the contrary. TWC is the only provider available in a lot of areas. they have done everything in their power to keep competing companies out... I can only get TWC in my area if I want Cable. I am stuck with DSL atm, because TWC tells me it would be 6k to run a line to my house, and there are no other providers other than crappy phones...
So, most are forced to use their network. Also, the idea that this is for QoS is ridiculous. They just need to upgrade their network to compete with that of Japan! Seriously... 100mbps on average, where as we get about 3 on average... its pathetic. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Now isn't the time... If you really want to complain, look at Hong Kong.
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Not only are they in the midst of starting a new ridiculous billing system to bilk their customers they have the nerve to chastise the FCC (while still extending their hand out for government assistance) claiming that current competition will keep the broadband industry in line.
If TWC truly believed their own hype they would try their new gouging plan in an area with some true competition (like NYC) and not in areas where the customers have basically no other options for service... | |
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kudos:4 | Once given up... If Net Neutrality is ever given up, it will never be got back.
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1 edit | As I Said - It's About The Business Model - not cost If you'd like a short, relatively easy to read article on why TW is doing this (and as I've posted previously, it's not about bandwidth costs), check out the Wall Street Journal »online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200···479.html
Edit: WSJ is screwing around with their access rules. If you click on the direct link above, you get the first para. if you go through Google News, you get the complete article. | |
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kudos:4 | It will NEVER be the time to talk about NN! ISPs who don't believe in it will come up with any and every excuse to avoid the topic. | |
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| | Asshattery Man there is "I'll do what I want with my network" then there is Time Warners "Not only will I do what I want with my network and I'll rape your wallet in the process. And then tell you that you're supposed to like this."
Unconscionable in my opinion there Time Warner. You guys are really bad. | |
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| | and back to net neutrality they succeeded in getting you to talk about what?
NOT about neutrality BUT alternatives HA THEY GOT YA.
A campaign to shut off for the summer might just work or say 4 months EN MASS.
THAT will lesson revenues even if 20% did so.
YOUR USA market is much larger and thus much more able to affect this kind of THREAT.
WHY NOT?
WHAT have we to lose?
THEY are the ones that WANT OUR MONEY?
IF they want it give us WHAT WE WANT.
ELSE go take cash elsewhere enjoy what you have , go party, go camping enjoy the summer.
FRAK THEM. | |
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| | RR and news lately It used to be all about comcast and now the tables have turned once more to Tw.
Tw either likes the news ALOT or they need ALOT of disconnects to get the idea. | |
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| This can not be posted enough Here's the reason for TW's caps, from their 10-K report,
"Technological advancements, such as video on demand, new video formats and Internet streaming and downloading, have increased the number of media and entertainment choices available to consumers and intensified the challenges posed by audience fragmentation. The increasing number of choices available to audiences could negatively impact not only consumer demand for the Company’s products and services, but also advertisers’ willingness to purchase advertising from the Company’s businesses. If the Company does not respond appropriately to further increases in the leisure and entertainment choices available to consumers, the Company’s competitive position could deteriorate, and its financial results could suffer."
»ir.timewarner.com/secfiling.c...···-09-1481 | |
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1 edit | Re: This can not be posted enough Time Warner: Greedily clinging onto a business model that doesn't exist anymore.
Thanks for the idea. It's a very interesting read to open up their 10-K/annual report and search for "technological" in it.
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"The Networks and Filmed Entertainment segments must continue to adapt their content to changing viewership habits in order to remain competitive. If they cannot adapt to the changing lifestyles and preferences of consumers and capitalize on technological advances with favorable business models, it could have a negative impact on their businesses."
"[T]echnological developments that enable third-party owners of programming to bypass traditional content aggregators, such as the Turner networks and Home Box Office, and deal directly with cable system and other content distributors could place limitations on the ability of the segments to distribute their content that could have an adverse impact on their revenue."
"[T]echnological advances and product innovations have increased and will likely continue to increase the number of alternatives available to TWC’s customers from other providers and intensify the competitive environment."
"Advertising expenditures by companies in certain sectors of the economy, including the automotive, financial services, pharmaceutical, retail, telecommunications and food and beverage industries, represent a significant portion of the Company’s advertising revenues, and any political, economic, social or technological change resulting in a significant reduction in the advertising spending of these or other sectors could further adversely affect the Company’s advertising revenues or its ability to maintain or increase such revenues."
"Several of the Company’s businesses operate in industries that are subject to rapid technological change, and if Time Warner does not respond appropriately to technological changes, its competitive position may be harmed." (Emphasis Time Warner)
...and it goes on and on... | |
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| duopoloy & the law what most people miss out on infact is cable companies have become telecommunications companies on par with telco. the modern infrastructure is essentially digital and the same. once fiber & cablemodem replace powered-up copper-- we are in a whole new territory from the old BELL system. thus, new franchises & regulations about rate changes should begin to fall under state PUC's-- including substantial changes in terms of service a-la metered billing. cable companies have been so unregulated for so long (when it comes to voip & internet) that unless cable-tv bills were doubling overnight.. the PUC's were sort of satisfied with giving cable companies a nod & wink every time the service went up 2-10%. stricter regulation about broadband rates should apply across the duopoly spectrum. i'm also for getting rid of legacy taxes & fees on POTS service... very few people are willing to pay for such a service nowadays, so government will have to look elsewhere for that revenue
at least 40% of broadband connections link to major cities & suburbs in the last mile. if cable companies think they can get away with gouging the customer.. then maybe they'd like it much better if there were a 3rd wire/provider thrown into the mix that eat up enough market share to keep the duopoloy hungry for customers. there are many ways to get the likes of comcast & time warner competing again, this is but one set of ideas. | |
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