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That company is finishedI can't imagine TWC having any customers when this whole fiasco is over. | |
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2009-Apr-22 11:59 am
Re: That company is finishedsaid by fifty nine:I can't imagine TWC having any customers when this whole fiasco is over. I can, becuase it's not all about speeds and some people could care less. Many people aren't going to see the metered billing now so that battle has been won. To me, the way I read this, is like Karl said, they're pouting. This is just the next move in a PR campaign. If people stepped back and do NOT respond to this and further force the issue, ie: putting more fuel on their fire, DS3 will come out. They're eventually going to have to renew their franchise agreements and the local governments, those people that actually are forced to live with those services, are going to speak up. The local levels tend to be more effective than the feds anyway. It is, however, funny to watch these same PR games played out in public and how they can flame bait the public and government and keep their agenda's moving forward, in the exact direction they want. The best way to deal with THIS particular move is to ignore them. Fight the metered billing front, but this "we're not deploying DS3" card should be ignored. | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:45 pm
Re: That company is finishedsaid by fiberguy2:They're eventually going to have to renew their franchise agreements and the local governments, those people that actually are forced to live with those services, are going to speak up. The local levels tend to be more effective than the feds anyway. Too bad because of Verizon's lobbying and legislation that passed because of it, MANY franchises are now state run and not local. Now in many areas locals have fewer rights and abilities to demand concessions for service. | |
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Re: That company is finishedWhat is "many"... I may be wrong, but I only know of a couple of states that have gone state wide.. | |
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2009-Apr-23 1:16 am
Re: That company is finishedsaid by fiberguy2:What is "many"... I may be wrong, but I only know of a couple of states that have gone state wide.. These have state franchises: Arizona California Florida Georgia Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Michigan Missouri New Jersey Nevada North Carolina Ohio South Carolina South Dakota Texas Virginia Wisconsin | |
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2009-Apr-23 7:41 am
Re: That company is finishedOh yeah, these too: Connecticut Tennessee Idaho | |
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2009-Apr-23 7:42 am
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Re: That company is finishedI have to laugh at Rhode Island.. that state IS a city. | |
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said by fifty nine:I can't imagine TWC having any customers when this whole fiasco is over. There is one advantage that they have that keeps them alive - and that is that they serve areas where there is virtually no competition which forces consumers to subscribe to their service. If it wasn't for Comcast, my fastest Internet would be 1.5/256 from AT&T. And that's been the fastest that they offer since BellSouth started offering Internet in my area. | |
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Re: That company is finishedActually, they sold many of the less competitive markets in their deal with the newly-formed company Windjammer Cable. So, the markets Time Warner retained are in regions where there is more competition than they'd probably like. I suspect, if they aren't careful, their decision to not broadly deploy DOCSIS 3.0 may ultimately cost them market share. Unfortunately for them, dragging their feet until they see market share losses may mean permanent loss of customers and revenue--definitely a slippery slope and one that may ultimately lead to Time Warner Cable becoming a target for acquisition itself. If I were a shareholder in this company, I'd definitely consider selling if they don't get their act together with in the next 2-3 quarters. | |
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Re: That company is finishedTWC kept systems where it made sense. They control Ohio- TWC NEO, Mid-Ohio, and Cinci and Dayton areas. Where most of MidOhio and Dayton was Western Ohio. and Mid-Ohio was Columbus. You can't forget they picked up EVERY Adelphia system in Ohio as well.
I couldn't see TWC selling any system in Ohio. And Ohio doesn't even have FiOS and U-Verse is very limited in the cities it's in. So really' they have no worries here. | |
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2009-Apr-23 12:16 am
Re: That company is finishedCouldn't have said it better myself. The Ohio market will be the last to see any change. There is no state wide competition here. | |
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Re: That company is finishedAs far as what i said about them selling systems in Ohio. They did. They sold off a few systems to Windjammer The first part of the year. It was put on the Help.rr.com page.
But they also kept ALL of the other money making markets. | |
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SLD to Robert
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2009-Apr-23 6:51 am
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Wow, 7 years ago when I lived in Cuba, I mean Kendall, we had 5Mbit/sec DSL at our apartment. | |
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2009-Apr-23 8:27 am
Re: That company is finishedsaid by SLD:Wow, 7 years ago when I lived in Cuba, I mean Kendall, we had 5Mbit/sec DSL at our apartment. Lucky you. | |
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They will plenty of subs since the majority of their subs probably haven't even noticed the broadband storm going on. The small minority that can will jump ship if they haven't already. | |
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said by fifty nine:I can't imagine TWC having any customers when this whole fiasco is over. Where I live there is NO OPTION accept AT&T DSL. The city fathers saw to that in their awarding service to a single provider so they will have some grumpy clients like | |
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Re: That company is finishedsaid by dforan:said by fifty nine:I can't imagine TWC having any customers when this whole fiasco is over. Where I live there is NO OPTION accept AT&T DSL. The city fathers saw to that in their awarding service to a single provider so they will have some grumpy clients like Here it's the opposite, the only choice for broadband is Comcast HSI, our AT&T CO (formerly Pacific Bell, serves Redwood Valley and Calpella) isn't even equipped for DSL, the closest DSL to us is in Ukiah, 9 miles south. | |
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In many cases you don't have a choice. I can get TWC, but DSL (Verizon) is tricky since i'm on the fringe of the CO range, and even if I was in range, it would be 3000/768, which is about 1/5 the bandwidth i'm seeing from TWC. Off topic, The Coyote choke holding the Roadrunner is the best summary for what TWC is doing to its service. Surprised it's not used here. » 4.bp.blogspot.com/_qyC51 ··· te+1.jpg | |
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What a bunch of idiotic babies!! Wah Wah,we cant extract more $$$ from you so your not getting DOS 3.0 -- (WHO CARES -- 2.0 IS FAST ENOUGH!! (IN MY OPINION SO IS 1.0)) said by Metatron2008 : Sounds alot like a kid throwing a tempur tantrum to me.
Thats exactly what it is..... LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS!! | |
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Re: That company is finishedsaid by 19579823:What a bunch of idiotic babies!! Wah Wah,we cant extract more $$$ from you so your not getting DOS 3.0 -- (WHO CARES -- 2.0 IS FAST ENOUGH!! (IN MY OPINION SO IS 1.0)) said by Metatron2008 : Sounds alot like a kid throwing a tempur tantrum to me.
Thats exactly what it is..... LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS!! I'm also thinking they're crybabies. Why doesn't TWC start posting right here, to exactly say why they think caps as low as 1 gb are more than enough? It's because they aren't. This weekend I ran Windows Update on an Windows XP Pro system that hasn't been updated in a while. All those update downloads alone ended up being over 1 gb. Also, why would even their customers bother to upgrade to a faster speed if they'll hit a gb limit early in their monthly billing period? If they had reasonable limits that start at 250 to 500 gb, their customers may be able to live with it. These 1, 5, 25, 50 gb limits are a joke and are just gouging their customers. I live in an area (San Fernando Valley) that is both served by Verizon and AT&T. Often it's just what side of the street you're on that determines what territory you're in. I dare TWC to try and charge different rates, or to determine which areas get upgraded to DOCSIS 3.0, based on what the local phone company is in the same franchise area. | |
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Comcast should just buy them outNow is the time to put TW out, Comcast offer them something, like a suitcase, not full of money, just a suitcase.
TW customers should just cancel and move to Dish or Fios. | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:16 pm
Re: Comcast should just buy them outThey can't. The FCC prohibits Comcast from owning more than 30% of US cable systems. » arstechnica.com/old/cont ··· 8935.ars | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:36 pm
Re: Comcast should just buy them outGive someone a $#!7 load of venture capital and tell them to buy TW and COX | |
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2009-Apr-22 2:02 pm
Re: Comcast should just buy them outNo thanks. I had Comcast and they sucked ballz. Leave my Cox service alone! | |
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Re: Comcast should just buy them outdid I say for Comcast to buy it no I said give me "a $#!7 load of venture capital" and let me buy them
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Lol I'd take TWC to comcast anyday lol. Although I do want these faster speeds, i'd rather not have caps. | |
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Then maybe this should be used to revisit that ruling. Now while I'm not in favor of Comcast having a monopoly, I'm certainly more disturbed at the blatant extortion tactics of Time Warner.
Now would be a real good time to get some of our representatives educated on the business of technical matters. | |
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Re: Comcast should just buy them outI think its time for that ruling to be lifted, and allow the cable the same latitude as Verizon and ATT. Since both provide basicaly the same product. | |
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The courts rulled several years ago that the FCC does not have the right to limit them and it is going through the Courts again. Only for Comcast to win. Why? Because D* doesn't have this limit and ATT and VZ do not have the limit either. Fair is only fair. The courts will rule with Comcast again. | |
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2009-Apr-22 1:14 pm
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Comcast can not buy them out. FCC ownership caps restrict that sort of transaction. | |
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said by DaveDude:Now is the time to put TW out, Comcast offer them something, like a suitcase, not full of money, just a suitcase. TW customers should just cancel and move to Dish or Fios. Satellite for internet = not a viable option. FiOS = not available consistently throughout an area. Case in point: my sub community is called Rancho Bernardo. Spotted points (the rich areas) of RB are lit up, the others are not. My only choices for internet are (A) U-Verse/DSL and (B) TWC. AT&T as a provider is absolutely horrid so I won't go to them on principle. Beyond that TWC has been good to me overall. | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:03 pm
Call the whaaambulance!My heart bleeds for them! They get greedy, and it's gonna hurt them. | |
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2009-Apr-22 5:23 pm
Re: Call the whaaambulance!Keep dreaming they are not going anywhere. A few idiot customers who would not know docsis 3.0 if it was in their back pocket will make no difference in anything. Who cares about all of this anyway? Whiny people! | |
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2009-Apr-23 6:36 am
Re: Call the whaaambulance!said by Whatever :
Keep dreaming they are not going anywhere. A few idiot customers who would not know docsis 3.0 if it was in their back pocket will make no difference in anything. Who cares about all of this anyway? Whiny people! A few?!?! I bet that half of the users couldn't SPELL docsis 3.0! I meant to call the whaaambulance for Slime Warner. | |
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FunnyWhat can you do at this point but laugh? Cue "Your doing it wrong" pictures.
I bet all the other big boys are pissy at time warner for all the bad press capping is getting now. No one else (comcast, charter, att) had this much fallout when their plans where announced. Whoever at time warner came up with this plan isnt very smart, and the big highly paid execs that went along with it should have known better. | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:12 pm
You can keep it, then, Time Warner.If you're going to set the monthly caps THAT low, I have no need for speeds above the 15/2 that you're able to offer on DOCSIS 1/2 now.
I'd much rather have unmetered 15/2 than a 30/5 connection limited to a paltry 100GB/month. At 30mbps I could blow 100GB in just 8 hours:
30mbps = 3.75MB/sec = 225MB/min = 13.5GB/hr
They clearly aren't thinking this through. They're trying to stifle any sort of innovation that would drive people to go for the faster tiers in the first place. If all they want me to do is check my email and surf, I may as well stick with the budget tier. | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:13 pm
Caps?What good is DS3 with caps? | |
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Re: Caps?said by apok86:What good is DS3 with caps? the more money they can bend you over and service you faster. | |
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BluffingDon't believe the TW bluff here people. Docsis 3.0 is coming no matter what. Income from this one test market will not enable/deter Docsis 3.0 in the test markets.
Pure 100% uncut schadenfreude.
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2009-Apr-22 3:16 pm
Re: Bluffingsaid by axiomatic:TW are acting like babies who lost their wubby. This is sure what it sounds like. But what I don't get is that they themselves are not getting how ridiculous this makes them look. TWC is trying to save their face and name, but instead they keep on sending out so called "press announcements" that only makes them look bad. For once, I'd like to see TWC think about their announcements before they make them, because at this rate, they are "communicating" themselves out of their clients. Really, the "now you won't get DOCSIS 3.0" announcement should not have been made in the first place. Whether it was leaked or someone misspoke.... doesn't matter. This was the work of a first year college student that works as an intern at TWC and has a Twitter account. No person charged with communicating to the press will make such a pouting announcement. Regardless of whether DOCSIS 3.0 is coming or isn't coming at all, they would have been better of not pouting about it, and silently pull DOCSIS 3.0 if it is decided to be too expensive. I don't know what they are thinking over there, but it is not the work of a professional.... or it IS, and they are just to ignorant to notice that these kinds of messages to the public will do more harm than good. | |
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DOCSIS 3.0Why doesn't Time Warner just announce they will upgrade everyone to the new standard by 2010 and raise everyone's bill by $2 a month to pay for it? How profitable is it for them to tick off all their customers, get bad press and continue to announce decisions that are stupid and unpopular. Time Warner really needs to get their act together. What kind of idiots are running that company anyway? I would not be surprised if some of those morons running AOL into the ground were cross promoted into management at Time Warner. | |
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2009-Apr-22 1:18 pm
Re: DOCSIS 3.0said by morgan1112:Why doesn't Time Warner just announce they will upgrade everyone to the new standard by 2010 and raise everyone's bill by $2 a month to pay for it? They want their intrastructure to stay as rickety as possible in the noncompetitive areas so they can use that as an excuse for caps. As much as possible of the overage charges paid by those customers will go for upgrades elsewhere, if at all. | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:32 pm
TWC VP of PRAccording to an article over on Engadget, someone tweeted with Alex Dudley, TWC's VP of PR, to ask if DOCSIS 3.0 will launch without cbb tiers and this was his response:
@gigastacey it was scheduled as part of cbb trial, but we all know how you feel about that.
TWC either has it's head in a bag or has the worst PR person ever...or a combination. Thanks TWC for not modernizing your network because we didn't roll over and allow your cbb. | |
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Time Warner FINALLY learned the #1 rule of selling!Give the customer what THEY want! | |
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2009-Apr-22 12:41 pm
DOCSIS3 is a StrawmanWhile they can claim to eventually deploy DOCSIS3 (the latest Buzz Word), look at what they CURRENTLY offer. 5/.768 is their top tier leaving lots of room for increased DOCSIS2 speeds before they would need to offer DOCSIS3 to increase their speed tiers.
In my area (NYC Metro, Northern NJ west of NYC, and the Westchester/Rockland Counties North of NYC) you either are in a TWC or a Cablevision/OptOnline Cable Monopoly area [I am ignoring the FIOS that is being offered in that same footprint] where TWC has pathetic DOCSIS2 speed tiers and CV has Standard 15/2 and Boost 30/5 DOCSIS2 Tiers (that show what CAN be offered before DOCSIS3 is needed for increased speeds).
Since the DOCSIS2 upload max is 27Mbs, this means that even with DOCSIS2 there is major room for a faster upload tiers (such as 30/10 or 30/15) without needing to roll out DOCSIS3 (which would allow an upload max of 108Mbs). | |
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Do they hire executives from per-school now?Sounds alot like a kid throwing a tempur tantrum to me. | |
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2009-Apr-22 1:28 pm
TWC/RR are a bunch of losersAll these people want are money.
They have not upgraded the network in who knows how long.
Everyone with Road Runner in NYC knows that the service has been CRAP for YEARS, especially between 5pm and 12am everyday.
The only reason why in some areas this problem has been solved is because those who have been able to switch to a real provider with 100% fiber, have. And this company/service is Verizon FiOS.
As the people moved from Road Runner to FiOS/RCN/DSL, the load on the Road Runner network went down, causing some areas to finally have low latency, and high speeds for most of the day.
Other areas have not been trouble free for years. I use to be part of that boat as well until FiOS rolled out here 2 years ago, and I must say, that now I see half the homes with ONT's on the side. I then checked a cable connection, and what do you know, the speeds are mostly perfect day and night now.
This is not because they used ANY money to upgrade the network, but instead just lost a lot of customers.
Now they don't want to spend a penny to upgrade to Docsis 3.0, instead want people to downgrade their speeds or pay $1 per gigabyte they use when it costs Time Warner pennies if even that.
Time Warner is nothing but hungry. Hungry for more money to get out of debt, and stay collecting as much money as possible.
There is NO reason for them to implementing caps on any of their speed tiers, and then to not allow those areas to be upgraded to Docsis 3.0 is just them committing suicide in my eyes.
I hope Time Warner burns in hell for their stupid decision making.
I mean honestly, can a company ever stay alive collecting all the money it can and imposing caps on EVERYONE, and claiming they need too, yet don't PROVE IT AT ALL!?
grrr I can't even type what I really want to say, but hopefully anyone who reads this will understand what I am saying.
And hopefully someone can use this and other knowledge and let the whole US know what a cheap company Time Warner really is.
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2009-Apr-22 2:01 pm
Time to seize their franchisesYet again we see why the infrastructure should be nationalized and leased to provide content providers. Enough with the whining profiteer extortionists. | |
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2009-Apr-22 2:05 pm
TWC just doesn't get it.If they had implemented a soft cap like Comcast did with 250 Gb, they would not have had all the bad media attention. And now they are going to pout that because we, the customers, stood up against caps, they aren't going to roll out DOCSIS 3.0?
I am pretty satisfied with TWC overall, my internet seems to always work and I barely have any problems with my TV....
But this is just rediculous. TWC is one of those companies that just doesn't get that in order to retain clients, you need to invest in your network.
Adelphia was ran into the ground by incompetent management, and I surely hope TWC isn't going the same way.
And quite frankly? What good is a 100 Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 connection anyways if you can't download more then 3 HD movies per month with it?
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2009-Apr-22 3:28 pm
Re: Big WhoopI couldn't agree more. If TWC can't support their current model, then they shouldn't be offering it.. and then changing the billing model afterward. | |
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Yeah...
"Our new blazing fast internet!"
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The AOL bill-by-usage mentality persists with TWCAnd like their former associate, they are destined to go the same way as AOL did. | |
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2009-Apr-22 4:07 pm
Isn't lack of competition grand!We don't have to upgrade. We can raise rates. We can change terms and rip you off.
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