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Mount Airy, MD | Vote With Your Wallets People in TWC's service area who feel strongly about this issue, even in places where there are no caps, need to switch ISPs immediately.
It is the only way to get TWC's attention.
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| Re: Vote With Your Wallets said by pnh102  :People in TWC's service area who feel strongly about this issue, even in places where there are no caps, need to switch ISPs immediately. It is the only way to get TWC's attention. I would LOVE to do just that; unfortunately my only other broadband choice is Frontier DSL. Slower download for about 50% more than I'm already paying for Road Runner Basic, not to mention annual contracts and ETFs.
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join:2002-01-03
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| said by pnh102 :People in TWC's service area who feel strongly about this issue, even in places where there are no caps, need to switch ISPs immediately. It is the only way to get TWC's attention. My choices in an apartment in Kansas City are TWC and I think earthlink which leases TWC's lines. I have a bundle that gives me cable + internet for 75 bucks on a 14 month contract. As long as I can keep that bundle and don't have caps I will stay. But if bundle disappears or there are caps and I will go. Believe it or not money matters. If I dropped TWC and went with earthlink I would be paying basically the same price but wouldn't get cable. I'll do it if I have to, but unless I have to I am not going to make the switch. Plus when my contract runs out in the summer I may be able to lock in another 14 months cap free at the cheap price. | |
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| Re: Vote With Your Wallets Living off the grid, cable wise wasn't too bad. I tried it for a bit with just internet and no cable (which incidentally is exactly what TWC is trying to avoid happening w/ more and more of its users). I don't have a choice of cable providers where I live, or ISP's. AT&T says their coming, but when, I don't know and their package isn't any better than TWC's, and they're talking about (or were) caps, too.
Using the PS3 to connect to Hulu, Netflix, and directly to the major networks sites, I honestly didn't miss a whole lot...you just get creative. You're probably already aware of all that, but just saying for the rest...life won't end without cable, as there is so much access to other content out there.
Insomniac will just need Ron Paul to endorse it before he'll go with it.
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| said by pnh102 :People in TWC's service area who feel strongly about this issue, even in places where there are no caps, need to switch ISPs immediately. It is the only way to get TWC's attention. Lets consider a simple equation:
(total number of ISPs in an area) 1 - (TW) 1 = 0
Uh oh, they can't switch to another ISP, because it doesn't exist...well how about that.... | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: Vote With Your Wallets said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :Lets consider a simple equation: (total number of ISPs in an area) 1 - (TW) 1 = 0 Uh oh, they can't switch to another ISP, because it doesn't exist...well how about that.... Then don't get the service. No one said taking a stand on this issue would be an easy sacrifice.
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| Opposing price gouging, not caps Not everyone is against billing based on total traffic - but I think practically every customer who would be affected by this would prefer reasonable rates and terms.
The currently announced terms are a 40 GB limit for more than a lot of customers are currently paying for unlimited, and a maximum 100 GB cap for $75, and $1 per GB over, with a limit of $75 overage. This amounts to $75 for less than half of the notorious Comcast cap, or $150 for unlimited (which, again, many of us are currently getting, though not necessarily using, for under $50).
Meanwhile press reports have made clear that there is no shortage of capacity on the mainlines at all, no lack of capacity in the "last mile" most of the time, and TW's costs have been going down and its profits up.
So it's an obvious case of charging more for less, without necessity. And the motive - apart from the investors' imperative to increase profits every quarter - appears to be to prevent online video from being competitive with TW's TV service. | |
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| Re: Opposing price gouging, not caps said by swhx7 :So it's an obvious case of charging more for less, without necessity. And the motive - apart from the investors' imperative to increase profits every quarter - appears to be to prevent online video from being competitive with TW's TV service. You nailed it. One of cables revenue centers is the sales of the advertising that is injected into the TV programming. They see this potentially evaporating as streaming video takes over the market.
Won't somebody please think of the poor cable companies?
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The basic premise behind a business is that it operates for a profit. It then has the responsibility, if it wants to expand and earn more money, to take that profit and REINVEST it in upgrades, infrastructure, personnel etc. Instead, companies such as TWC have decided not to do that.
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Minneapolis, MN | TWC should just release their stats With median usage likely to be somewhere in the 2-3GB range, and average usage likely being well under 40GB, the number of people affected by overages should be small.
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Enjoy the sun
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats said by espaeth :With median usage likely to be somewhere in the 2-3GB range, and average usage likely being well under 40GB, the number of people affected by overages should be small. Of course, that small group of people is unusually well represented here. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and leave it to one of the loudest squealers(Schumer) to add his typical populist rants to add more noise to the issue.
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats Common causes always breed strange bedfellows. However, even if he's doing this for publicity, Schumer may actually sit down and get informed on the topic. This may be the silver lining. A congressman actually getting informed on an issue!
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats said by espaeth :The current predicted utilization rates are increasing much faster than the price of capacity expansion is falling. Yet once again you make up incredible "facts" that are in contradictory to articles posted here by experts.
So where are these "predicted utilization rates" (LOL)?
Some hard numbers?
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats It never fails to amaze me how every company who claims caps or per byte billing is a necessity always make an argument which lacks the one thing they are in a unique position to provide: facts.
If your network is congested, if demand is exceeding supply or if the so-called "bandwidth hogs" are swamping your network then show us numbers to support your claim. Releasing accurate, timely network info would allow us to know if this truly is a necessity or just a money grab. The uproar would be silenced immediately if they had the numbers to back up their claims.
From the info we do have access to, TW's financial statements, it doesn't seem necessary at all. | |
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| said by espaeth : The hit isn't going to come next month, or probably even next year, but the landscape could indeed be very different by 2011/2012. To me thats the entire fight. TW is trying to lay the foundation for how ISPs charge for Internet usage in 2011/2012. Its not just TW thats looking to see if this S**t sticks to the wall, its all broadband providers. We would rather have our carriers expand capacity via upgrades than degrade the utilization of our services via caps. | |
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats Espaeth
There is a difference between making a reasonable profit and being abusive. So far cable has been able to charge abusive rates. Just look at that PDF from Japan you are so fond of. There average usage rate is ten times what the US cable companies are CLAIMING it is in the US. Yet they are still able to provide 100/100 service for sub $50 per month(I pay $60 for 5/512). If you look in that same PDF (page 11) you will see there are roughly the same number of people downloading 2.5 GB/month as there are people downloading 2.5TB/month. Somehow they are able to offer service cheaper than what we have in the US and still are allowing TB(+) download levels. | |
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats said by Lazlow :Espaeth There is a difference between making a reasonable profit and being abusive. So far cable has been able to charge abusive rates. Just look at that PDF from Japan you are so fond of. There average usage rate is ten times what the US cable companies are CLAIMING it is in the US. Yet they are still able to provide 100/100 service for sub $50 per month(I pay $60 for 5/512). If you look in that same PDF (page 11) you will see there are roughly the same number of people downloading 2.5 GB/month as there are people downloading 2.5TB/month. Somehow they are able to offer service cheaper than what we have in the US and still are allowing TB(+) download levels. And that is because the infrastructure was gov't funded at taxpayer expense. The broadband company didn't have to expend their capital $'s and the expenses of paying back loans for expansion.
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Obama '08
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Lazlow :Espaeth There is a difference between making a reasonable profit and being abusive. So far cable has been able to charge abusive rates. Just look at that PDF from Japan you are so fond of. There average usage rate is ten times what the US cable companies are CLAIMING it is in the US. Yet they are still able to provide 100/100 service for sub $50 per month(I pay $60 for 5/512). If you look in that same PDF (page 11) you will see there are roughly the same number of people downloading 2.5 GB/month as there are people downloading 2.5TB/month. Somehow they are able to offer service cheaper than what we have in the US and still are allowing TB(+) download levels. And that is because the infrastructure was gov't funded at taxpayer expense. The broadband company didn't have to expend their capital $'s and the expenses of paying back loans for expansion. Partially true: Japan let telecommunications companies write down about one-third of their investment in broadband the first year, rather than the usual policy, which requires them to spread the deductions over 22 years. The Japanese government also subsidized low-cost loans for broadband construction and paid for part of the wiring of rural areas.
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| said by TKJunkMail :And that is because the infrastructure was gov't funded at taxpayer expense. The broadband company didn't have to expend their capital $'s and the expenses of paying back loans for expansion. I would argue that private enterprise (when granted a near monopoly) is worse for consumers and costs us more than the government subsidizing it to begin with. | |
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :And that is because the infrastructure was gov't funded at taxpayer expense. The broadband company didn't have to expend their capital $'s and the expenses of paying back loans for expansion. I would argue that private enterprise (when granted a near monopoly) is worse for consumers and costs us more than the government subsidizing it to begin with. And that brings us to the major philosophical difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives believe that gov't is inherently less efficient and less responsive than private enterprise and therefore will ultimately cost more to do the same tasks. And liberals believe that government will be more egaltarian and responsive to the taxpayers and have the general good in mind. Se la vie!
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats said by TKJunkMail :]And that brings us to the major philosophical difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives believe that gov't is inherently less efficient and less responsive than private enterprise and therefore will ultimately cost more to do the same tasks. And liberals believe that government will be more egaltarian and responsive to the taxpayers and have the general good in mind. Se la vie! You know, I keep hearing about this elusive "fiscal conservative" but I don't think even the late Steve Irwin could ever dig one up -- have you seen one lately? 
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| Re: TWC should just release their stats said by espaeth :said by Matt :I would argue that private enterprise (when granted a near monopoly) is worse for consumers and costs us more than the government subsidizing it to begin with. I challenge you to look at tariff sheets for PUC-regulated LEC-delivered data circuits and make that same statement again. Are you saying that because of the tariffs that are paid to local government? You don't think those tariffs are built into the circuit fee and then passed along to the consumer? | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by espaeth :With median usage likely to be somewhere in the 2-3GB range, and average usage likely being well under 40GB, the number of people affected by overages should be small. Of course, that small group of people is unusually well represented here. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and leave it to one of the loudest squealers(Schumer) to add his typical populist rants to add more noise to the issue. Versus the cable shills here that generate noise all the time.
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| said by espaeth :With median usage likely to be somewhere in the 2-3GB range, and average usage likely being well under 40GB, the number of people affected by overages should be small. Of course, that small group of people is unusually well represented here. Having personally worked with TWC here in Greensboro, I can assure you that typical usage is not 2GB-3GB. It is much, much higher than that. Especially for their lower tiers. Which is exactly why they won't release numbers. If they show that 50% of their RR Lite (1.5Mbps, 10GB cap) customers use 15-20GB a month, that means an instant $5-$10 a month for those customer. That is exactly why Mr. Britt has adamantly refused to release the statistics.
Couple that with the annual 10-k filing where they say that online delivery of content is affecting their revenue from customers AS WELL as advertisers and we have all the info we need for why they are implementing these caps.
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| Time Warner Cable This is all happening while Time Warner Execs are taking record profits in salaries and stock bonuses.
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None of that money is being put into upgrading their system, so that caps are not necessary. Seems like a reasonable thing to do.
Maybe then my modem and cable box wont need to be rebooted every night.
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| Re: Time Warner Cable I'm glad I don't have TW. I decided to buy wow, and I have downloaded about 6-8gb worth of patches in a single day. This would have made for a crappy rest of the month being cautious. | |
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Rochester, NY | Re: Time Warner Cable I will be at the Rochester protest this Saturday! Will take some pictures and videos!
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| More and More Entertaining To watch TW executives try to maintain their companies relevancy.
The chapter has been written, it is only a matter of time, and to what extent that the cable industry is dramatically impacted by online video.
The internet has disrupted many business models.
Much like the airplane disrupted sea and train travel
Internet news has disrupted mainstream media
(cable) VOIP has disrupted the phone companies
Now it's TW and Cable's turn to get suffer serious setbacks due to a disruptive technology. They survived satellite - and they will survive internet video, but to think they can manage their earnings with this new strategy is actually rather amusing.
I'll always have some form of cable television. I have no desire to watch everything online, at least at this stage in online video. Who knows what it will be like in 10 years. | |
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| Re: More and More Entertaining I don't know about if they can survive internet video the way they are unless, internet video is most likely the future. They need to adapt. When there are STBs that have a built in wireless connection, and can be taken any where there is internet, vs cable which is more stationary IPTV may win out. | |
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Mine Mine
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| Where is the logic? Most ppl have trouble/too lazy to keep track of how much money they spend every month. I can't imagine anyone taking time out to keep track of how many bytes they use every month assuming they even know/care what a byte even means. Picture this for example: Party A yelling at party B for posting that extra picture on their facebook b/c it put them over the byte limit hahaha. It's just completely stupid.
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| Re: Next months protest If they're going to cap the service then unlimit the speeds. Geesh.
In all seriousness, the only bottleneck here is the last mile...and greed. Why upgrade your last mile when customer overages and caps will pad your pocket instead?
Oh, and bandwidth is cheap. Dirt cheap. By dirt cheap I mean readily available for $10 per Mbit...and that's unlimited, and on a lowish commit (100 Mbps). RR probably pays half that on average. So 100 GB of bandwidth, disregarding the last mile, costs them two or three dollars, tops. Trust me, I've seen the offers.
Bandwidth is no longer a big cost for big internet providers, unless they're stupid. Until you get to the last mile, where you want to protect TV revenues and you don't want to upgrade physical systems. That, and that only...okay, lack of competition also plays a big part...is why TWC is capping the crap out of their customers, to the point that watching an hour of TV online per day plus regular web tasks will get you overages on their standard package. | |
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| NO CAPS good for any idiot Some idiots are so greedy they think that because they use only 10GB a month why should there freind who used 50 GB a month end up with better value by payong same flat fee.
Well these idiots don't realize that once caps are in place the prices will be jacked up the most on a per GB basis for the light wheught user - the very idiots who think metered bytes will give them a price savings.
So I am happpy to see idiots always shooth themselves in the foot. Like TEXAS is poor but the idiots always vote Republican who cut benifits for the very poor who vote for them. Oh the poor are religious and so they don't mind suffering its for a fake god anyway. | |
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 first its wrong to assume god is fake and associate it with ignorant poor people.
I'm guessing your just a subscriber to ATT/SBC and not an employee, other wise my late noting of this post might have you in hot water at work... (anyone who has worked for " " know what I'm talking about)
I grew up here. Yes, I'm surrounded by "poor" individuals, but the only "republican idiots", I know are in deed hill folk or old generation people and yes they do whine and complain about all things, and vote stupidly..
..most people I've encountered in life as a Texan are Democratic or independent voters and the ones with any sense at all are "god fearing " or at least recognize god as a higher power.
The Last election proved we are ALL Sheep,... but we are not all idiots. WE want change. and sometimes for a later end result,
... what are religious views are HAVE NOTHING TO WITH IT.
You'll hear this again in time,... but god believes in you.
That stems from a little something I have called FAITH. If you have any, you should redirect it and realize that this forum like many others are educating customers everywhere and spreading the word.
SO stop with the finger pointing and help spread the word around so we can stop this as a whole.
((back in the 80'S enough people complained and a certain Phone GIANT got deregulated and broken up, they're back now, but hey it worked then, it could happen now.))
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Customers cannot predict how much data will be downloaded each month. I am concerned that there is no way for a subscriber to predict how many bytes of data will be downloaded by software installed on their computer, such as Windows Update and other applications that have automatic update capabilities without the subscribers knowledge. The subscriber does not have a way to predict how many bytes of data will be downloaded when the access a website or if the website will link their browser to another website like double click and download undesired data. Furthermore there are systems set up on the internet to search IP Addresses for open ports such as web bots or web crawlers. Those systems will increase traffic to a subscriber without any benefit to the subscriber. The lack of a method to accurately predict how many bytes of data that will be downloaded will cause many subscribers to receive huge bills.