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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
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| Cable Company? Do they think their same ol phone company ad is creative? Cable companies have a worst reputation. They're on par with oil corporations in the eyes of the people. | |
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join:2002-04-10
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Cable Company? Plays Titantic music for Time Warner. One cannot make a sinking ship stay afloat. If they continue down this path, three things will happen.
1) Customers will be confused about the various services (ESP with Time Warner's fiber no fiber debate)
2) Customers will opt for month to month to see what happens and avoid long term contract.
3) Customers will go elsewhere like Verizon. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: Cable Company? RIAA copyrighted song , pay us now or we take your dog and sell your daughter into prostitution.
We here at TW just wanted to pass your information to our cap loving overlords the RIAA and MPAA will be there shortly to check your packets. Thank you for being a copyright infringing customer.
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MisterMarcus
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| I'll never understand.
It must be area specific...here in San Diego I've got Time Warner and I couldn't be happier with their internet offering. It's the fastest around and quite stable. Their phone offering sucks (forced VoIP modem rather than using the phone jacks in the residence like Cox does) and their TV offering isn't that great compared to DirecTV. But that's okay...I've got alternatives for those. | |
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| eljay001
join:2004-03-17
South Portland, ME | Good question Although I hate both Verizon and Time Warner, I'd much rather deal with Verizon. I've found my local Time Warner office can't even configure a cable box, let alone run a data network. | |
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Gts
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | I can say this. FIOS cannot get here soon enough. | |
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Derspankster
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Marion, OH | Re: I can say this. I'll never see FIOS | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: I can say this. would be nice if att would do something like that on a large scale like verzion. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Had my FIOS here in Arlington, VA (just outside DC) since June last year. Very happy with the service. Initial installation was shaky but been rock solid sence. Just before I moved to my current apt I had Comcast whom I hate and asked if they would offer me a deal if I stayed with them. They choked and I sent to VZ. Now I get flyers at least twice a week from Comcrap begging me to take them back. Yeah right! | |
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Pale_Rider
join:2004-10-18
Richmond Hill, NY
| said by Gts  :FIOS cannot get here soon enough. I second that.
I eagerly await the day I can dispatch Time Warner and their 'Choad Runner' service. | |
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| Baseline
join:2001-02-26
Buffalo, NY
| said by Gts :FIOS cannot get here soon enough. This resonates in bold print through the head of every TW broadband user I know.
With TW now discontinuing newsgroup service, and verizon still having their free included one for FIOS, it's a complete no-brainer that I am going to FIOS as soon as it becomes available here. Well, if it does.
Hello 15/15 for 5 bucks more than I'm paying for 15/2. | |
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join:2008-02-03
Dallas, TX
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·EarthLink
| Re: I can say this. If they could just actually provide the download speeds they advertise (not just at 3:00am Sunday Morning)& not have constant outages, improved their network, improved their support...I would be ecstatic. In so many areas peak times are as congested as the plumbing pipes during Superbowl halftime. | |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Contract and Cap? If a customer is under contract (2yr) and THEN they add the cap, I would think that the cap would not apply until after the term of the contract. Otherwise they would be changing the terms of the contract. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| Re: Contract and Cap? said by Lazlow :If a customer is under contract (2yr) and THEN they add the cap, I would think that the cap would not apply until after the term of the contract. Otherwise they would be changing the terms of the contract. ... you know the contract will have legalese in it saying they can "manage the network" at will....
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Contract and Cap? said by KrK :said by Lazlow :If a customer is under contract (2yr) and THEN they add the cap, I would think that the cap would not apply until after the term of the contract. Otherwise they would be changing the terms of the contract. ... you know the contract will have legalese in it saying they can "manage the network" at will.... But that change will leave an out with no ETF.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: Contract and Cap? No, the contract will state you AGREE to anything like caps, throttling, blocking, banning, filtering and therefore if they implement them it will not allow you an out or avoiding an ETF.... | |
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| said by Lazlow :If a customer is under contract (2yr) and THEN they add the cap, I would think that the cap would not apply until after the term of the contract. Otherwise they would be changing the terms of the contract. All present-day contracts (of all sorts; doesn't matter what for or who with, from ISPs to insurance policies) have a clause in them that says the equivalent of "You agree to any amendments or changes to this policy/contract in the future".
When I have the opportunity to sign such paperwork in person, I often will cross out that section of the contract + initial the cross-out, then point out to the individual who's reviewing my signature that I don't agree with that clause. Most of the time they initial it as well, and it's approved. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: Contract and Cap? said by koitsu :When I have the opportunity to sign such paperwork in person, I often will cross out that section of the contract + initial the cross-out, then point out to the individual who's reviewing my signature that I don't agree with that clause. Most of the time they initial it as well, and it's approved. You have to be careful when you rely on this alteration to the contract since I have seen cases where the other side claims that their representative does not have the authority to alter the contract like this (ie: Agreeing to your alterations) so the alterations are void and you agreeed to the unaltered version of the contract. | |
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Bobcat
Vote for Grampa Simpson
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ | "It's still the same old phone company" I'd rather get TV service from the phone company than phone service from the cable company.
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| MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| Re: "It's still the same old phone company" said by Bobcat :I'd rather get TV service from the phone company than phone service from the cable company. said by Bobcat :I'd rather get TV service from the phone company than phone service from the cable company. My parents still have Comcast phone service (until Fios comes, and the package), and they have had about 6 outages already this year, and some for several hours.
I am happy I switched back to copper, I haven't had any problems since. | |
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| sunny8294
Shqipe
join:2001-03-15
Localhost ;) | lol, Its funny but I 'd do the same!
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buzz_4_20
join:2003-09-20
Presque Isle, ME | That's Great, But They haven't done jack where I love for years.
Unless you count changing the software on the DVR so it gives users ADs and is less user friendly. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | "Locked up" and "For Life".... .... in close proximity to each other doesn't sound much like ideal marketing to me.... | |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Price for life? BS
What happens when content prices go up? You think Disney/ABC/ESPN won't raise prices year after year? What are you going to do? Remove channels and still charge the same?
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| Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
Premium
join:2008-02-18
Denver, CO
clubs:
·Comcast
| Re: Price for life? Comcast and Qwest have been advertising this here in Denver. It only applies to internet service, which hasn't gone up in price for years anyway, not cable TV, which sees annual increases.
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | when the Cable Companies sign contracts with the yearly rate increases built in. Content providers actually raise rates every like 5 to 10 years when their contracts are up for renewal. | |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Which price is locked? Without reading anymore than what is posted here I must ask: Will they lock the bottom line price or the above the line price?
I see it as a price lock above the line that will allow them to continue to add price increases below the line.
Just my thoughts on them.... | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Which price is locked? said by Skippy25 :Without reading anymore than what is posted here I must ask: Will they lock the bottom line price or the above the line price? I see it as a price lock above the line that will allow them to continue to add price increases below the line. When they want a rate hike they'll just slap a new "unfee" line item to your bill.
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voipdabbler
join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT
| The truth we already knew. Well, we already knew it, but their marketing plan confirms it. They will be clogging their own pipes. I firmly believe that no metered plan is going to work state side. The reason--I'll say it again. It boils down to the old mantra "It's the economy, stupid." The timing is just plain wrong. (It may fly in Canada, their economy is doing much better than ours.)
If the cable companies are at all concerned that their growth has stalled, their newest plans may well drive down subscriber numbers. (Hmmmmm, wonder if locking in under mulit-year contract means there are some in the marketing departments sounding words of caution.) When you look at real inflation--the figure that includes food and energy costs unlike the conveniently crafted term of art "core inflation" developed by the Nixon administration to keep the federal government's calculation of the CPI artifically low for purposes of calculating annual cost of living increases for entitlement programs--we're on the edge of reaching double digit inflation. If the commodities markets aren't reigned in and energy costs continue to escalate at the current pace, watch us enter the realm of double digit inflation before the end of summer. Also, see those living in urban areas start to have to spend more than 4 percent of their income on gasoline. (The NY Times article yesterday mapped those regions where the cost of gasoline is eating up 8 percent or more of incomes. Right now it's mostly in the more rural areas of the country. However, with the constant upward pressure of crude oil prices, more highly-paid urban dwellers are going to find themselves paying closer to what their rural cousins are now.) Furthermore, those manufacturers who haven't been passing along the full cost of the increased price of production due to crude oil price increases can't continue to do so much longer. Be prepared for a double or tripple whammy to your house hold budgets by the 4th quarter of this year.
The point of my doom-and-gloom scenario? US consumers are to the point of being tapped out. As pressures increase on them to the point where there are hard decisions to make about essentials like food, shelter and transportation to-and-from work, a growing percent of consumers will begin to scale back on non-essentials. And to most, except perhaps broadband report readers, this includes high-speed Internet.
So go ahead, Time Warner, Comcast and others. Your greed will be a boon to less expensive DSL, where available. And some, who may only surf and check email, may actually go back to good old dialup. | |
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CarterStClai
X-Out The W
join:2002-04-17
Sugar Land, TX | Re: The truth we already knew. Actually, digital with rabbit ears works even better than with analog. | |
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join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: The truth we already knew. Shhh, there is a huge market for "Digital ready antennas", WalMart would kill you if they found out you let that out of the bag.
Yep, you do not need anything special to get the digital broadcast, we are talking about RF signals, still the same ones just a little different.
Crazy and sickening to me how people make so much money off of those who do not know. I never see any commercials that tell people that, I just see over and over commercials about the stupid boxes. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: The truth we already knew.
Hi def antenna's rofl |
said by keyboard5684 :Shhh, there is a huge market for "Digital ready antennas", WalMart would kill you if they found out you let that out of the bag. Yep, you do not need anything special to get the digital broadcast, we are talking about RF signals, still the same ones just a little different. You mean these pieces of crap that cost $33 and $45 at wal*mart?
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Caps for life and they charged me extra for HD boxes 20 mbps tier is undocumented by TWC. I've heard from TWC techs that its been grandfathered. I got it by a automatic upgrade from 8/512 (called RR Premium) to 20/1 (called RR Extreme) on my bill and on my modem's speed profile. Also was created was RR Turbo (15/786) and RR Standard got upgraded from 5/384 to 10/512. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Skeedatl :BTW, I was charged extra for HD boxes by Time Warner up until I cancelled a few weeks ago. Exactly like Verizon FiOS TV, TWC HD programming was free, but they're lying if they say they don't charge extra for HD boxes. I was charged a $5.00 premium on TOP of the regular $6.95 box charge for each of my HD boxes for a total of $11.95 per HD box for rental. Cox does the same thing here on their "free hd"
std dig box - $6.00/mo
hi def dig box - $12.00/mo
want a hi def dvr? you're raped another $3.00/mo over the std def dvr rental.
HD is nowhere near being "free".
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bugabuga
join:2004-06-10
Austin, TX
| Price for life of a contract The two year agreement states, that they will extend it for another two years but reserve the right to adjust prices at the extension. I.e. you get $100 for three services for two years, but when the renewal is due they can increase it (and you'll have $150 bill for the next to years).
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ | I wonder If TWC didn't do caps in competitive areas, i.e., with Fios around, but did in areas without competition, if that might get regulators hot and bothered. Slippery slopes........ | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: I wonder said by MrSpock29 :If TWC didn't do caps in competitive areas, i.e., with Fios around, but did in areas without competition, if that might get regulators hot and bothered. Slippery slopes........ They already have different speed tiers and prices in their different regions so I think that the selective application of caps will also be something that they can get away with (so long as it is applied to all of the region/TWC-Division). | |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
·Verizon Online DSL
·Vonage
| Cable is posed to give you fiber What many seem to forget, or just do not know, is that cable is has fiber to the node. In most cases this is within a city block. With that much fiber already deployed what do you think the cable company has to do to get it to your home?
It is far less expensive for the cable company to deploy fiber to the home and they are sitting there ready to do so. Many small cable companies have already ran the last bit of fiber to homes and taken out the coax.
Where does Verizon have fiber? To there CO. Okay, so they have to run all that fiber to places where the cable company, almost all of them, already have fiber to. So the cable company just has to run a little more and can do so quickly. Verizon on the other hand will have a lot harder time, and a lot more expensive time, getting that fiber to the home.
What does this mean. Cable companies compete as they are until there is the real demand and/or need for the fiber all the way to the home. Cable could easily dominate the market because they are "posed to deploy". Cable has there guys "sitting on the fence" waiting for the word "go".
Will I ever see FIOS, probably in about 5-10 years, maybe. Will I see the cable company do it (or in my case another entity), I think so and within 5 years.
So watch it Verizon and FIOS fan-boys, cable is in a much better position to compete. People think cable is a one trick pony but they certainly have far more fiber passing far more homes (probably in the millions) than Verizon will in the next 5-10 years. Again, cable ALREADY had the fiber there. | |
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Xioden
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY | So when is Verizon going to bring out the big guns? I've been seeing a commercial on Hulu by I believe DirectTV taking some nice shots at how cable companies are conducting business. I wonder when Verizon's going to be doing the same. | |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
| NYC Resident Well I would be delighted and I may consider not switching to FIOS if Time Warner can FIX, NOW, my download speeds at night that slow down to a bit better than dial up speed. It's great in the morning but useless at night. If anyone from TWC is reading this you should think about attending to today's problems because today's problems aids tomorrows competition. Just a thought... | |
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Dareius
Self proclaimed Premium member
join:2002-11-12
Elmhurst, NY | Re: NYC Resident The speed issue will fix itself when many customers jump from RR to FIOS. That will free up bandwidth at night. | |
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Greenville, SC | 100/2 YES!!! i can't wait. man look at that upload guys, can't beat that. (sarcasm) | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| face facts... one problem the cable-cos have is that they are in the business of selling content.. that was their primary mission/business plan. now that the internet is evaporating their business model, they will be as stingy as the telephone companies were on the upstream to avoid (stall as long as possible) cannibalize their core business of providing cable-tv (at ever increasing rates). telcos had their QOS business grade lines which is why they toyed with asymmetric DSL for so long (telcos were addicted to selling bits per mile access at prices which make today's gasoline look like a bargain).. but realized that cable-cos were going to get into the VOIP/phone line market so they had to throw customers a bone. now that some residential customers have seen the light of fast broadband.. there is no going back. customers will vote with their wallets on which is the best deal for them. however...
20/1 vs 20/5 is a hands down loser for time warner. they must get the upstream to AT LEAST 5mbit to be competitive and match the rate. as docsis 1.0 - 2.0 performs, nodes get hammered or are under-performing compared to FIOS, customers are not dumb, they will figure out whos got the goods (ie better broadband experience). time warner must do this right or they will see how fast verizon can pivot these customers into triple play (phone & tv service). FIOS internet (not so much, the tv & phone) is the best of class service which is the hook that may drive tv & phone sales. just as cablevision drives home the point that they are the dirt cheapest tv, phone internet provider with $29.95 triple play.
The FIOS builds promise GPON infrastructure, so count on speeds between 50-200mbits asymmetric or at least 50/50 symmetric become the norm entry level in the next couple of years (NY metro). 20mbits will be the lite tier  , while those in the broadband swamp will be doing windows vista updates overnight as if it were dialup. | |
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join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | Re: face facts... I agree...especially where the fastest growing segment of content is HOMEGROWN content(as in You Tube)! In order to do this kind of content, users have to have decent upstream connections. | |
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| giving away the store The only reason TW can give away the store with "lifetime" pricing is becausing they realy heavily on contractors and sub-contractors which cost them less. In essence these contractors ,in the form of lower pay and benefits are subsidizing their customers.
And in NYC ,the home of the most multi-millionaires, you have the working class people working for less so that Joe Millionaire can save a few dollars.
Ironically ,the TW execs do not "cost less" then other execs at similar companies..
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Lowtarget
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join:2003-12-22
Alger, OH
clubs: | Re: giving away the store If TWC does impose caps on users. They should impose them on everyone. None of this NY wont have caps and rest of you will. | |
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