  PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
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kudos:1 | Price for life triple play? Not that I believe them, but maybe that will help curb the dramatic cable tv increases seen year over year. | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Price for life triple play? said by PhoenixDown:Not that I believe them, but maybe that will help curb the dramatic cable tv increases seen year over year. I'm sure there will be 40 pages of tiny font legally allowing them to raise prices as they see fit while heavily penalizing anyone that tries to cancel their service. Somehow, our cable bills continue to go up, whether it is recouped on the TV side or added as a special "fee", it always increases at a rate far greater than that of inflation. | |
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|  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
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kudos:2 | said by PhoenixDown:Not that I believe them, but maybe that will help curb the dramatic cable tv increases seen year over year. Sure. The TV will stay the same. But those "government" fees, will just keep going up. | |
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| | "price for life" But what about "caps for life?"
TWC needs all the competition they can get. Scumbags.
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Chicago, IL | National Broadband Plan How about they all have to upgrade their networks to fiber and also have standard based plans since they all exist as regional monopolies. | |
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|  MikePremium,Mod
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: National Broadband Plan That would be as effective as the national railroad policy.
I'm all for a national broadband fiber policy, as long as business and the government has no part on it. | |
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| Re: National Broadband Plan said by Mike:That would be as effective as the national railroad policy. I'm all for a national broadband fiber policy, as long as business and the government has no part on it. Who will have a part in it then? | |
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| | |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: National Broadband Plan No one, that's the point.
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kudos:1 | said by Mike:That would be as effective as the national railroad policy. Wrong, that would be as effective as the national highway policy. | |
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| | | I do not like government telling private industries what they have to do.What the government needs to do is to facilitate innovations and to watch out for collusions on pricing or any other activity that distort the market, the market will then take care of the rest. | |
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| Re: National Broadband Plan said by Josimars:I do not like government telling private industries what they have to do.What the government needs to do is to facilitate innovations and to watch out for collusions on pricing or any other activity that distort the market, the market will then take care of the rest. Sadly the market is completely rigged. | |
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| | 2014 is 6 years away... 6 years is a long time, especially to call TWC out now for not having deployed DOCSIS 3.0 yet. And then another assumption is made that Verizon will keep the same FIOS prices for 6 years.
Verizon hasn't deployed FIOS in NYC yet either, so what's the point of the article? To say how awesome (theoretically) Verizon is and how much cable sucks? | |
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| | | Re: 2014 is 6 years away... said by smcallah:6 years is a long time, especially to call TWC out now for not having deployed DOCSIS 3.0 yet. And then another assumption is made that Verizon will keep the same FIOS prices for 6 years. Verizon hasn't deployed FIOS in NYC yet either, so what's the point of the article? To say how awesome (theoretically) Verizon is and how much cable sucks? FIOS is in NYC, no idea where you got the idea it wasn't in NYC at all. | |
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|  FLengineerCCNA, CEH, MCSAPremium
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1 edit | Verizon started Installations a week after the franchise was approved. It won't be completed for 6 years. Check the forums there are customers in NYC now. | |
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| | | Both companies have done nothing in NYC.
TWC is still at their regular speed tier here and Verizon is still copper pots here with its DSL service. And its doubtful that any upgrades will come anytime soon. | |
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| | Confused I am confused. didn't Time Warner spin off TWC, trading under a different stock? If so, what does Batman and TW have to do with TWC?  | |
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
3 edits | Couple of things Most people don't triple play. VZ is losing more (POTS) subs to cable than cable is losing subs to VZ. VZ is raising rates (at least here in SoCal) at a remarkable rate. And 1 market (NYC) does not define TWC's future.
TWC can certainly hold their own against Verizon in video services and in terms of HSI, like everything else, people shop price. Speed and caps for the most part are irrelevant as evidenced by the VZ FiOS HSI tiers people are buying (namely the lowest one). "We" care about speed and caps, but the market couldn't give a shit less so long as it's 30 bucks. | |
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said by Dogfather:Most people don't triple play. VZ is losing more (POTS) subs to cable than cable is losing subs to VZ. VZ is raising rates (at least here in SoCal) at a remarkable rate. And 1 market (NYC) does not define TWC's future. Here in AT&T versus Comcast land, Comcast is getting a lot of people from AT&T POTS. However, like anything, you have to give it time.
When AT&T get their IPTV going, you will begin to see Comcast lose more cable customers.
Also, Comcast is taking a beating from Verizon up in New England. The Comcast tech who installed my Digital Voice transferred down to Atlanta about 2 days before my appointment. Why?? Because Verizon is killing them so bad, he was offered a transfer or lose your job scenario.
Another point is when more companies are available to offer you the same or very similar services in your area, that is usually a good thing. Being that the telcos had people locked in with the traditional land-line, cable companies couldn't compete. VOIP changed that game.
Now, with IPTV, the telcos are going to swing some of the customers back their way. The value of having POTS through a telco and cable through a standard cable company have decreased. IMHO, it is good for the customers.
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| | | said by Dogfather:Most people don't triple play. VZ is losing more (POTS) subs to cable than cable is losing subs to VZ. VZ is raising rates (at least here in SoCal) at a remarkable rate. And 1 market (NYC) does not define TWC's future. TWC can certainly hold their own against Verizon in video services and in terms of HSI, like everything else, people shop price. Speed and caps for the most part are irrelevant as evidenced by the VZ FiOS HSI tiers people are buying (namely the lowest one). "We" care about speed and caps, but the market couldn't give a shit less so long as it's 30 bucks. I do believe that when VZ can offer triple play, they might slow their losses in POTS, but I could be wrong. I know down here, many switched to Comcast for their triple play, but moany would love to switch to VZ triple play because Comcast has so many problems with their phone service down here. But there is no FiOS here, and because Comcast doesn't share their RSN with sat cos., they have effectively prevented more people from leaving than otherwise would-the RSN issue is HUGE in this area, as they televise 3 of the 4 major sports teams for probably more than 90% of the games. So VZ triple play is not much of an option down here.
I have family that has it, and they have averaged at least 1 outage/problem per month. Haven't had one issue since switching back to VZ. If Comcast continues to have subpar phone service, I think some people might get rid of that. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Couple of things It's not VZ's POTS "service" that is causing customers to flee...it's the price. They keep raising prices on the add-ons like $7.50 alone for Caller ID and adding junk fees like the "you didn't use enough long distance" fee. They quickly turn a $15 bill into a $30 bill. | |
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| | | | | Re: Couple of things said by Dogfather:It's not VZ's POTS "service" that is causing customers to flee...it's the price. They keep raising prices on the add-ons like $7.50 alone for Caller ID and adding junk fees like the "you didn't use enough long distance" fee. They quickly turn a $15 bill into a $30 bill. That is true, but I was also assuming that the triple play pricing between the 2 was pretty close, as those things are included in ours I believe. Then the difference becomes taxes.
But, after some of the many outages, some for hours, we had with Comcast phone, I came to the conclusion I would be better off paying more for a service that actually is reliable. Having a 3 hour total outage one night when my father was in the hospital is something that won't leave my memory to soon. But maybe not everyone has had those issues we did. | |
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Couple of things In my market VZ was higher with 3-play and their POTS unlimited talk package was 50% higher than cable. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Couple of things said by Dogfather:In my market VZ was higher with 3-play and their POTS unlimited talk package was 50% higher than cable. I'd have to look through that 1,453 page bill to check for the triple play billing to get the price lol
But, my second line I got for $25 with the features, it's just the taxes that gets me there. | |
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join:2002-04-05
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kudos:1 | said by Dogfather:It's not VZ's POTS "service" that is causing customers to flee...it's the price. They keep raising prices on the add-ons like $7.50 alone for Caller ID and adding junk fees like the "you didn't use enough long distance" fee. They quickly turn a $15 bill into a $30 bill. What about the tone dialing charge?  | |
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join:2000-10-26
New Port Richey, FL
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| Investors can be Idiots Investors almost never think long term. Of course they gave Verizon a beat down for investing so much money in FIOS.
However, once the network is fully deployed, any upgrades will only be to the electronics which make it simple and cost-effective to keep up with whatever new technology the future brings along.
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join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4
1 edit |  Cable beaten down - not just TWC
It's kind of a losing proposition for any ISPs trying to please the stock jocks. Verizon took an absolute beating initially for investing so much money ($24 billion, to be precise) in last mile fiber, with some going so far to insist the company was "doomed." Now investors are hammering Time Warner Cable for not keeping pace with the same service they were slamming a few years ago as being too ambitious. Comcast has been beaten down the same as TWC, even though they are further along to Docsis 3. And Verizon stock never did get beaten down over Fios, though analysts complained. Somehow I think Fios and Cables reaction to Fios is not what is driving their stock prices. Verizon is doing well because of its normal telecom business and their Fios business has had little effect.
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kudos:4 | Re: Cable beaten down - not just TWC And what does any of that have to do with Verizon making gobs of money on their wired and wireless phone business. All they do is show Verizon is cutting costs.
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1 edit | Re: Cable beaten down - not just TWC Verizon is loosing voice and dsl customers to cable and wireless providers. Or they are selling them to other companies like Fairpoint.
As for Verizon Wireless, sorry didn't see them in your orginal post or the graph, didn't realize we was talking about a completely different company. | |
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join:2007-06-26
Leesburg, FL | Re: Cable beaten down - not just TWC In fact ALL telcos are loosing POTS customers at an unbelievable rate. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Cable beaten down - not just TWC said by FLengineer:In fact ALL telcos are loosing POTS customers at an unbelievable rate. I know Cox here has 40-50% of POTS customers on CDV. $20 cheaper is why. Cox also always has a free month or 3 months at half price promotions unlike AT&T.
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|  kpfx
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| I will give Verizon and AT&T kudos for having the most talented marketing agencies and PR people spinning their stuff. Its a smoke-and-mirrors act by distracting investors with FiOS and Uverse projects. If I only read what was released by the marketing departments then I really get the impression that the Telcos are "working on this massive loss" and thus aren't getting their stocks slammed.
Lets not forget the huge mountains of money that Verizon and AT&T have saved up which will keep them floating along no matter what (compared to most cable companies which are still carrying substantial debt).
Meanwhile Cable doesn't have a big advertising campaign and spokesperson for DOCSIS 3.0 or Switched Video technologies which are to be rolled out within the coming years. Looking at the short hand it really appears like Cable is about their collective rears handed back to them.
But the reality? As somebody mentioned earlier its 6 years till they have a substantial build-out on cable's footprint..... in the technology world that's an eternity and plenty of time for Cable to show their hand.
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
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| Given a Choice I have the PLG 2 year contract - Cable, Phone, HSI. Cant beat the price, but i know Verizon is going to be offering faster HSI and more channels for cheaper price.
So given a choice, of course im going to FIOS.
Do i think TimeWarner is going to upgrade their markets? Yes, but only with Direct Fios Competition. In other Markets within the country: Caps and metered access is their upgrades.
I wouldnt be surprised if Docsis 3.0 is coming to NYC - they have no choice but to. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Given a Choice said by Rally:I wouldnt be surprised if Docsis 3.0 is coming to NYC - they have no choice but to. Probably not. The same way you can sell Herbal Viagra, lottery tickets from Nigeria, Role>quote:
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Like most other communities in Verizon's footprint, FiOS internet is available long before the FiOS TV franchise agreement is signed. NYC is just the most extreme example of this. | |
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| | False Advertising? "Cable gives you fiber optics without the hassle."
How can they get away with that statement? Does this mean than any ISP using a hybrid fiber/copper plant can claim to provide fiber-optic service? If that isn't false advertising it has to be just barely on the legal side of it.
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| N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: False Advertising? Comcast does the same thing, stating they have the largest fiber optic network, and most HD choices.
Most HD choices includes "On demand" programming.
Most fiber optic is the fiber optics going from the head ends to the nodes.
I don't know if it's false advertising, but it is very misleading and shady, IMHO.
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| | | | Re: False Advertising? said by N3OGH:I don't know if it's false advertising, but it is very misleading and shady, IMHO. Well I have to agree with that one. I suppose you are right about the false advertising as I realized they don't actually say fiber to the home. Misleading and shady indeed. | |
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join:2001-06-11
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kudos:2 | Blockbuster meet Netflix... Time Warner meet Verizon...
Ok, so not exactly the same, but it's nice to see some competition and in particular a company investing in the future. | |
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| Re: Blockbuster meet Netflix... said by Phil:Time Warner meet Verizon... Ok, so not exactly the same, but it's nice to see some competition and in particular a company investing in the future. Don't forget those $1 a day DVD rental kiosks that you may find at Wal-Mart or any other major superstore. Also add in that the cable companies release the movie via In-Demand the same day it is released on DVD.
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| | Investors Jumping out windows again! My local CO is being rigged for FIOS and I should have it within a year. I wonder if TWC/RR is going to pull the 40GB Cap bullshit in my area  I was outraged to see TW screw over the folks Texas and I'm leaving the first chance I get!
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| | Hum... I knew i went with FIOS internet/phone for a reason.....
If anyone was wondering, yes, the copper line is still buried out under my lawn , and can still be used in 90%+ of situations in case someone wants to bail on FIOS.
Once their tv pricing comes in line with the prices comcast offers us, we'll likely switch to that. | |
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| Re: Hum... said by FastiBook:Once their tv pricing comes in line with the prices comcast offers us, we'll likely switch to that. I switched from Comcast's triple play to FIOS triple play and I'm saving almost $30 per month over Com[edy]cast | |
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Quakertown, PA | Re: Hum... your in the same area as me and from comcast i get digital with all the premiums for 63 a month with the triple play. so far verizon isnt even close. | |
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