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Speedtests?Can you run a valid speed test once this is implemented? Such as on an off port? Or does "powerboost" effect traffic on all ports equally? | |
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| PhoenixDownFIOS is Awesome Premium Member join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY |
Re: Speedtests?I am curious about this too | |
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said by insomniac84:Can you run a valid speed test once this is implemented? Such as on an off port? Or does "powerboost" effect traffic on all ports equally? On the Comcast system, I've seen it on both HTTP & FTP ports. Is it on all ports? I don't know. You can do valid speed tests when transferring large files - I FTP a 64MB file to test upload and download. The powerboost doesn't last thru the whole download, so if you have a tool like the free Netlimiter 2, you can see what speeds you get after the powerboost time period expires. What I see is that with powerboost I get about 15000/1500 speed. When powerboost expires, I get about 6600/950. For most downloads of MS fixes, freeware software, short videos downloaded from relatives, etc. the powerboost really makes the downloads go quickly. And if I am uploading a bunch of megapixel digital photos to an MS server, that also goes much faster with powerboost. So for me it is a nice bonus that I didn't have to pay extra for. | |
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2008-Jun-24 4:44 pm
Re: Speedtests?I think its actually a good form of network management, and advertising.
Eg. The average person does not require 15Mbps/1.5Mbps 24x7 (or need to make use of it at those rates that often)
By allowing these short bursts of speed, it satisfies most small downloads, and should take some congestion off the network. (i.e. multiple 6Mbps/1Mbps connections each fighting for bandwidth during a download, or a downloads running at 3x that speed, settling back down afterwards). Download time for the duration is almost 1/3, and during average use, there's no excess usage beyond 6Mbps.
I could see a filtered approach to this possible.... 1. 6Mbps/1Mbps across the board 2. 15Mbps/1.5Mbps for Comcast (aka vendor preferred) sites/protocols. | |
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2008-Jun-24 4:48 pm
Re: Speedtests?said by en102:I could see a filtered approach to this possible.... 1. 6Mbps/1Mbps across the board 2. 15Mbps/1.5Mbps for Comcast (aka vendor preferred) sites/protocols. You are trying to open the whole net neutrality debate with that suggestion. | |
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2008-Jun-24 10:16 pm
Re: Speedtests?Just a little...business is business.
For items like Windows service packs, Linux Distros and a few other 'chosen' items, they could 'boost' service. By offering the optimistic approach, they'd skate past Net Neutrality. Eg. We're not delaying any packets. We sell a 6Mbps service. We will offer free higher end service to our business associates for a cut, and you will be able to access their service at a higher than contracted rate. Glass half full vs. Glass half empty approach. | |
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Comcast Blast(16m), here... PowerBoost - 35mbps down and 3.6mbps up After PowerBoost, 17.3mbps down and 2.2mbps up Consistently. | |
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| DareiusIt's a beautiful day in the neighborhood Premium Member join:2002-11-12 Elmhurst, NY |
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said by insomniac84:Can you run a valid speed test once this is implemented? Such as on an off port? Or does "powerboost" effect traffic on all ports equally? I too wonder what speed test would be valid once this is implemented. | |
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said by insomniac84:Can you run a valid speed test once this is implemented? Such as on an off port? Or does "powerboost" effect traffic on all ports equally? No you can't. Not if your talking about a speedtest at speedtest.net or site like it. I always get a kick out of some Comcast customers posting his speed test resluts and bragging about his connection as if the 25 Mbps is something that is consistant. I hope Charter never this route. When they get 16 Mbps here I want to know that I'm actually getting 16 Mbps. | |
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2008-Jun-26 12:02 am
Re: Speedtests?said by 88615298:said by insomniac84:Can you run a valid speed test once this is implemented? Such as on an off port? Or does "powerboost" effect traffic on all ports equally? No you can't. Not if your talking about a speedtest at speedtest.net or site like it. I always get a kick out of some Comcast customers posting his speed test resluts and bragging about his connection as if the 25 Mbps is something that is consistant. I hope Charter never this route. When they get 16 Mbps here I want to know that I'm actually getting 16 Mbps. You can do speed tests. You can do the best, most accurate one.. My Speed. You can't do it from Visualware's website but if you download the free MySpeed Lite you can test at any of Visualware's servers vis socket to socket...not html so it will be accurate. | |
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| dvd536as Mr. Pink as they come Premium Member join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ |
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said by insomniac84:Can you run a valid speed test once this is implemented? Such as on an off port? Or does "powerboost" effect traffic on all ports equally? Powerboost in effect poisons speedtest results | |
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2008-Jun-24 3:59 pm
Get Powerboost Technology Today......and hit your cap tomorrow! | |
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2008-Jun-24 4:07 pm
Re: Get Powerboost Technology Today...We have had this speedboost thing here in SoCal where I live since last year. It helps when it's working. For the last I think...3 or 4 months, it hasn't been. You really do see a difference. It's almost as if you are actually getting the speeds TWC advertises, but only for a few seconds. | |
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2008-Jun-24 4:10 pm
Re: Get Powerboost Technology Today...Although I signed up for 10/1 service I consistently get 17Mbps download and 2Mbps upload at my place so I guess I have permaboost! | |
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said by ivan69:We have had this speedboost thing here in SoCal where I live since last year. It helps when it's working. For the last I think...3 or 4 months, it hasn't been. You really do see a difference. It's almost as if you are actually getting the speeds TWC advertises, but only for a few seconds. consider yourself lucky - you're the only guy with TW anywhere outside of the NYC who's supposedly has powerboost... I'm more inclined to believe that people in competitive markets are just seeing a speed upgrade - not powerboost. | |
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2008-Jun-24 5:15 pm
Re: Get Powerboost Technology Today...That's exactly what it is and of course it's not documented anywhere. I see speeds of 17/2 and I am in a FiOS area. | |
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Easy tiger....
I most certainly do not consider myself lucky, nor was I bragging. TWC is the antichrist, and can go to hell. My speeds have been consistently around 1.5 mb for about 4 months and no higher than 5 mb since I signed up for their damn service 11 months ago.
I'm on a 10/1 package. Woohoo.
Speedboost is crap....I have it and you can definitely tell when every download starts out at nearly the speed of light and then it suddenly drops to the normal 1.5 to 2 mb. I have had 7 techs come out, 5 different modems and two line changes. Their techs are either super idiots or the head honchos don't like to send anyone out for a friggin line maintenance check. On the other hand, maybe the friggin NODE IS TO OVERLOADED YOU CHEAP PIECES OF ****.
I never met a tech I liked, so no pretend techs posting wannabe technical responses for me to post modem info and other stuff like that. | |
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Re: Get Powerboost Technology Today...said by ivan69:Speedboost is crap....I have it and you can definitely tell when every download starts out at nearly the speed of light and then it suddenly drops to the normal 1.5 to 2 mb..... On the other hand, maybe the friggin NODE IS TO OVERLOADED YOU CHEAP PIECES OF ****. If the upstream/downstream channels were overloaded the bandwidth wouldn't be available for you to get the initial boost of speed. Overloaded channels present with universally crappy performance; you've got something else going on. | |
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Gimmicks, gimmicks and more gimmicks....You know.....I wish the providers would stop coming up with all these gimmicks and just give us what we are paying for. A "powerboost" is useless. What we need is consistently increased upload speeds. They constantly pitch portals and speed boosters, when they should just be working on the long term stability and capacity of their network. If FIOS can provide a 20/20 connection then so can cable. It's all wrapped up in the politics and red tape. This is why other countries are so far ahead of us in broadband speeds and technology. They don't have politics controlling everything that happens like America. | |
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2008-Jun-24 4:10 pm
Re: Gimmicks, gimmicks and more gimmicks....said by chrisbmoore:You know.....I wish the providers would stop coming up with all these gimmicks and just give us what we are paying for. A "powerboost" is useless to the average user. No, it works great for the average user. Who it doesn't help are those who are constantly downloading huge movie files or hundreds of MP3s thru some P2P applications. | |
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Re: Gimmicks, gimmicks and more gimmicks....Lol. I like your "tweaked" post better. | |
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Or LEGALLY, purchased games for PS3 (yes you really can purchase Gran Turismo 5 from the Playstation Store. The download is about 1.5GB), and Xbox, LEGALLY purchased MP3s from Amazon (from whom I've purchased many) and LEGAL DirecTV Video On Demand programs.
Constant implications that high bandwidth users are all doing something illegal only serves to help ISPs justify crappy speeds and stupidly low caps because "legal network use couldn't possibly consume that much bandwidth". Not all high bandwidth use is attributed to illegal activity. The fact that some activity is illegal does not invalidate the fact that a lot of activity isn't.
So back to the original argument, speed boost also won't help the above listed uses. | |
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What kind of "average user" are you talking about?
The average user whose downloads and uploads consist of things like photos and the odd patch for Windows?
Or the average user who downloads lots of "Linux Distros" on BitTorrent?
And what, precisely, does politics have to do with Speed Boost?
It's a tool. It helps with some things (like photos). Not so much with others (like videos). Complaining because it doesn't do task B well is like complaining that you can't use a screwdriver to cut a 2x4. | |
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Re: Gimmicks, gimmicks and more gimmicks....I'm not saying politics has anything to do with powerboost.....I'm saying the reason we are held back from real solutions to a problem instead of a short term fix is because the ceos are lining their pockets with the research and development money. | |
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Re: Gimmicks, gimmicks and more gimmicks....What problem? What is this mythical problem everyone is speaking of? These cable providers are supplying multi-megabit speeds for a decent price and those speeds are increasing.
Comcast and other major cable operators are spending hundreds and hundreds of millions in upgrade improvements including switched digital video and DOCSIS 3 for channel bonding. Telcos are also spending hundreds of millions to billions on fresh deployments.
It's also a matter of demand. Looking at FiOS speed distribution records here, people are gobbling up the cheaper tiers although higher end tiers are available. Thus just because you build it, doesn't many anyone will come. | |
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said by chrisbmoore:If FIOS can provide a 20/20 connection then so can cable. It's all wrapped up in the politics and red tape. Yeah, those politics of needing to save frequency space to deliver TV channels on your CableTV infrastructure are just unnecessary red tape. | |
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Re: Gimmicks, gimmicks and more gimmicks....Well guys it's a forum for opinions....I'm offering mine.....just like an asshole everyone has one. Seems every time I offer an opinion anywhere here...I get attacked for it. | |
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Re: Gimmicks, gimmicks and more gimmicks....I'm just saying, the technology divide between cable and FiOS is vast. Cable was designed around the delivery of video content, and the ability to layer on data services only came about later after the infrastructure was already deployed. FiOS was designed as a platform for data *and* video delivery; the ability to deliver high data rates was factored into the solution up front.
Simply restated: for cable, data delivery is a bonus. For FiOS, data delivery is at the core of the service. | |
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Powerboost is hardly useless. It's good for EVERYTHING except large downloads. Not everyone is engaged in pirate seeding or hammering usenet 24/7.
And no, just because Verizon can doesn't mean cable can. Their network topologies are fundamentally different. | |
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2008-Jun-24 4:20 pm
PowerBoost and Roadrunner ExtremeAny idea on how this affects Roadrunner Extreme? | |
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2008-Jun-24 4:25 pm
Garbage.This is a stupid gimmick to inflate speed test results and allow them to trick consumers into paying for a connection that is not running at its rated speed without them noticing. | |
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2008-Jun-24 9:28 pm
Re: Garbage.said by 45612019:This is a stupid gimmick to inflate speed test results and allow them to trick consumers into paying for a connection that is not running at its rated speed without them noticing. Couldn't have said it better myself | |
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Even 5Mbps won't do itWith Verizon deploying 7.1Mb DSL to more areas where they don't yet have FiOS.
But for most people Powerboost is great. It speeds up everything except extended downloads. It really great for grabbing those smaller downloads like 20MB updates and programs. | |
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No senseHonestly I don't understand what's the sense. With the caps they are testing, makes powerboost just about worthless. Powerboost would be good for speeding up a download of a large movie file but not something the size of a picture file. If you need powerboost just to download a picture file, then there is issues. | |
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Re: No sensesaid by viperpa33s:Honestly I don't understand what's the sense. With the caps they are testing, makes powerboost just about worthless. Powerboost would be good for speeding up a download of a large movie file but not something the size of a picture file. Powerboost speeds up the delivery of flash content, short video clips, and large picture files. (4+ megapixel) If you're going to be streaming video, Powerboost allows you to get a good amount of video buffered in a hurry to start the playback. | |
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2008-Jun-24 5:47 pm
Extreme AsymmetryI just have to laugh at the extreme asymmetry of the down vs upstream speeds... the upstream is equivalent to 4 year old DSL. How about symmetry in speeds? Then maybe more people would switch. | |
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2008-Jun-24 6:09 pm
Stupid PowerboostStupid stupid and more stupid....If TWC can offer HIGH SPEEDS and CONSISTENTLY at that in some out of the way hick areas, then why not in a place like SOCAL. We are supposed to be the center of the universe over here and yet they continue to experiment with slow speeds, inconsistency, lack of tech support (the little to no difference they make) and numerous other negative low standards that they consistently meet or exceed.
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2008-Jun-24 6:19 pm
YEAH!Burn through your 40 GB cap even faster! | |
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Re: YEAH!said by 88615298:Burn through your 40 GB cap even faster! Yep in only half the time. | |
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Re: YEAH! twc will burn in areas with ATT u-suck or Verizon fastest internet optimized speed
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which area'sWhich part's of upstate ny is going to have this speed upgrade and how when will they upgrade their customers? | |
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2008-Jun-24 11:07 pm
Re: which area'ssaid by maximumm:Which part's of upstate ny is going to have this speed upgrade and how when will they upgrade their customers? You will know if you've been ugraded when they install a new modem for you. The modem will have a special button on it that says "Press here for advertised speeds." | |
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STNY Time Warner Seated in the heart of New York's Southern Tier, Time Warner Cable's Binghamton Division serves nearly 200,000 subscribers from Oneonta in the East to Jamestown in the West. Just one hour south of Syracuse, two hours southwest of Albany and three hours northwest of New York City, Binghamton has given birth to a number of respected corporations. From » www.timewarnercable.com/ ··· ton.html | |
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not powerboostI doubt this is powerboost on TWC. I'm in NYC and I have 20/1 tier. » /r0/do ··· 9476.JPGSo this is my speed test on 20/1, egh 1 mbit less than the speedtest in the article, but close enough. | |
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how about turbo customersIs this speed increase going to happen to people who have roadrunner turbo also and how much is this going to cost? | |
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easy to exploit?I could see Someone writing an application to take advantage of powerboost technology by starting a large download then stopping when the boost is off and restarting heck would prolly be very effectively easy to write | |
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2008-Aug-28 1:49 pm
Powerboost in SocalLooks like Powerboost has reared it's ugly head in the (Not) center of the universe here in the SoCal. I have 15/2 last that I heard and this am my speedtests are consistently: | |
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