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Time Warner Cable: 'We Are Not Negotiating'
by Karl Bode 03:20PM Monday Jan 20 2014
After refusing Charter's recent $132.50 per share acquisition offer and withstanding subsequent Charter barbs intended to justify their lowball offer, Time Warner Cable has drawn a harder line in the sand. The company wants an offer of $160 per share and has since reiterated that they're not going below that number. "We were very explicit: We’re not negotiating," insists new Time Warner Cable CEO Rob Marcus. "$160 is what it takes to get anything done. And it's not just $160. It’s $160 with $100 in cash and a 20% collar. [If] any of those elements are not there, then $160 is not interesting."

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Millenium

join:2013-10-30
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$200

Keep them away! Make it $200. I don't want to see my $15 internet taking a walk.

NOChartr

@173.227.18.x

Re: $200

I agree with you. Actually, TWC should not even think about being bought out by Charter no matter the price and conditions. Charter just sucks from all the people I have talked to.
JamesBJSU

join:2014-01-25
Roanoke, AL

Re: $200

You got that right! I have Charter Internet...I've been complaining against them all last year...and this year is a carry over. It took somewhere between 20 to 30 phone calls, and two complaints to the FCC. Still not anywhere near dependable that I desire. If anything, Time Warner Cable needs to buy out Charter, retrain the whole staff, and lower the price of the service for those who have had extremely disappointing service.

tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:4
would you pay $20-30-40?
come on, keep your bid completive, and don't rely on old promo/grandfathered pricing.
Millenium

join:2013-10-30
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

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Re: $200

said by tshirt:

[..]don't rely on old promo/grandfathered pricing.

While I question how long it will really last, the $15 "everyday low price" 2/1 internet from Time Warner is new, not grandfathered, and as the name implies, is not a promo price.

No, I hope Charter runs away as fast as they can.

fredbisard

@charter.com
said by Millenium:

Keep them away! Make it $200. I don't want to see my $15 internet taking a walk

lucky you

i'm stuck with charters stupidity and can't get a tier below $50 a month and only use the computer for a couple hours max, a day!!
Millenium

join:2013-10-30
kudos:1

Re: $200

I feel for you. Before this tier was offered back in December the least expensive stand alone options were $30 (after promo) for 1 MB cable or $40 for 6 MB DSL.

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

However

Charter, we will buy you for $1.00, better hurry before Comcast offers to buy you for .50 when we walk away.
DMWCincy

join:2004-04-27
Fairfield, OH

Pricing and Caps

While I am not thrilled with my current price of internet, cable, and phone as long as the potential new buyers keep it at the same price or cheaper with NO CAPS I will not care. Its the idea of going to a provider that potentially has caps that worries me the most. While I do not use that much compare to most, I do use enough that a 300GB cap would bother me ever other month.
whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

1 recommendation

Re: Pricing and Caps

said by DMWCincy:

While I am not thrilled with my current price of internet, cable, and phone as long as the potential new buyers keep it at the same price or cheaper with NO CAPS I will not care. Its the idea of going to a provider that potentially has caps that worries me the most. While I do not use that much compare to most, I do use enough that a 300GB cap would bother me ever other month.

I agree, cap me, and i'm gone, obviously because of not being able to afford said overages, while also being that they'd probably shut me off because of the caps. Before anyone says anything, a large majority of this traffic is legit and legal.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

Re: Pricing and Caps

Based on that I would say you are not a residential user or you are using it to do things that would be questionable in the eyes of the law.

And don't give me the, I do online backups and distribute linux ISO's excuse as that has been beaten to death and is a lie 99.9% of the time.
DMWCincy

join:2004-04-27
Fairfield, OH

1 recommendation

Re: Pricing and Caps

I average around 300-400 GB just by doing a few things. Gaming, netflicks, youtube and yes I do download software all the time. Being a computer consultant I have access to the full MSDN library. I do download a ton from them to keep up on my skills. I also download a ISO of linux occasionally for various reasons. Throw in a couple of computers, a laptop or two, 3-4 phones using wifi, and a gaming console streaming netflicks adds up real fast to a lot of data which is all legal.

Just think how bad the download stream is when Steam has a major summer or christmas sale....
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Re: Pricing and Caps

If you are "a computer consultant", then you are operating a business; if your business needs dictate a higher cap, or uncapped account, then you need to price that expense into your own billings.
DMWCincy

join:2004-04-27
Fairfield, OH

Re: Pricing and Caps

I pay the expense now. I have no limits in my current plan. TWC gives me no beef about it and heh surprise to surprise. I never once said anything I did was work. I do things on my time to keep up with my own learning. Not actual work.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
All find and dandy (though I dont buy it).

However, that doesnt explain the ridiculous amounts of uploads you have (and don't say online backups as they use smart technology).
whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

Re: Pricing and Caps

said by Skippy25:

(and don't say online backups as they use smart technology).

Yes, because the dedupe of online backups totally works if you're uploading encrypted data, and/or unique, already compressed data. Anyone that's uploading their backups to an online service, while also relying on said backup service to keep their data secure, is a fool.
whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
It's quite easy to use quite a bit of data if you're doing any sort of PC repair on the side, in combination with netflix, hulu, amazon prime, etc.
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06
And based on your usage, you shouldn't have broadband at all. Obama should forbid it, you're being exploited like someone being tricked into a payday loan
thedragonmas

join:2007-12-28
Albany, GA
kudos:1

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said by Skippy25:

Based on that I would say you are not a residential user or you are using it to do things that would be questionable in the eyes of the law.

And don't give me the, I do online backups and distribute linux ISO's excuse as that has been beaten to death and is a lie 99.9% of the time.

according to mediacom when i had netflix i was using over 2TB per month,, granted im disabled and home 24/7 so i tended to benge on it, but if there meter is correct then it is fully possible for some one or a family to have those numbers for fully legal uses.
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

Re: Pricing and Caps

said by thedragonmas:

according to mediacom when i had netflix i was using over 2TB per month,, granted im disabled and home 24/7 so i tended to benge on it

I don't buy that. Let's make a few assumptions:

75% of that traffic (1.5TB) is Netflix
100% of your Netflix streams were 5mbit/s HD (2.2GB/hr)

That works out to nearly 700 hours of Netflix. There's 720 hours in a month. In reality it'd be even more than that, since the whole catalog isn't HD. Presumably you sleep, right? Even saying 50% of the traffic is Netflix still leaves you at an unbelievable ~465 hours of Netflix, still assuming 100% HD content.

You're doing other bandwidth intensive things or their usage meter is way off.
thedragonmas

join:2007-12-28
Albany, GA
kudos:1

Re: Pricing and Caps

said by Crookshanks:

said by thedragonmas:

according to mediacom when i had netflix i was using over 2TB per month,, granted im disabled and home 24/7 so i tended to benge on it

I don't buy that. Let's make a few assumptions:

75% of that traffic (1.5TB) is Netflix
100% of your Netflix streams were 5mbit/s HD (2.2GB/hr)

That works out to nearly 700 hours of Netflix. There's 720 hours in a month. In reality it'd be even more than that, since the whole catalog isn't HD. Presumably you sleep, right? Even saying 50% of the traffic is Netflix still leaves you at an unbelievable ~465 hours of Netflix, still assuming 100% HD content.

You're doing other bandwidth intensive things or their usage meter is way off.

dont tell them that, theyl deny it. i never said i believed them what they told me i was using, and what tomato told me i was using, was wayyyy different. that said i was pushing 300 - 500GB's a month according to my router (tomato)

my point is, just because some one uses a lot, doesnt mean there instantly doing illegal things, and i could see a family eating up data, between game systems, tablets, wifi smart phones...

and no, i never risked any of the, not so legal things. i only have "one" option for internet where im at, not going to risk losing that. (same reason i cant vote with my wallet, well, i guess i could, if i wanted to go back to envelopes and stamps)

as for how much netflix i watched, i easily pulled off 8 hour benge days when i found series i got hooked on. (did i mention i have no life? )
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY

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Re: Pricing and Caps

said by thedragonmas:

dont tell them that, theyl deny it. i never said i believed them what they told me i was using, and what tomato told me i was using, was wayyyy different. that said i was pushing 300 - 500GB's a month according to my router (tomato)

That I can buy.

said by thedragonmas:

my point is, just because some one uses a lot, doesnt mean there instantly doing illegal things

I don't really think the 'legality' is relevant. There does come a point when people's usage has vastly exceeded any and all norms of residential connections. The guy earlier with multiple months of >1 terabyte UPLOAD totals. Residential networks were not set up with contention ratios to cope with that kind of usage. He needs to scale it back or pony up for a commercial account.

If you cross a certain threshold of electrical consumption you're going to come home and find a demand meter hanging off your house. A month later you'll discover that you've been switched to a commercial tariff. Now instead of just worrying about kWh consumed you've also got to worry about peak demand, power factor, load balance, and a few other items. If these aren't all optimal you'll be charged more. Optimize them right and you can actually end up paying less than a residential customer. Either way it's massively more complicated, because of the impact you're able to have on the grid with those levels of consumption.

Residential internet accounts I think would be most fairly billed with 95th percentile billing rather than total bytes billing. The problem is explaining it to people. I doubt most would understand how it works or how to optimize their usage patterns to take advantage of it.
serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Re: Pricing and Caps

said by Crookshanks:

Residential networks were not set up with contention ratios to cope with that kind of usage. He needs to scale it back or pony up for a commercial account.

That option is worthless on FIOS, as business is also capped. I wonder how TWC Business TOS is on bandwidth usage?
zimm2000

join:2013-12-14
Carrington, ND
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·Verizon Wireless..
said by thedragonmas:

my point is, just because some one uses a lot, doesnt mean there instantly doing illegal things, and i could see a family eating up data, between game systems, tablets, wifi smart phones...

I did vandalized some wikis before including wikipedia articles. Because I was mad or it did for humor. I known as the Daktel Vandal on wikipedia due to IP hopping. Because I changed my MAC address once awhile.

NormanS
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said by Skippy25:

Based on that I would say you are not a residential user or you are using it to do things that would be questionable in the eyes of the law.

If by "not a residential user" you mean somebody running some kind of business, I will accept that; but people can, and do run businesses from the home. And I believe Comcast business accounts to residences use the same infrastructure as their residential services, so there is no change in usage impact to Comcast; only a change in revenue.

And don't give me the, I do online backups and distribute linux ISO's excuse as that has been beaten to death and is a lie 99.9% of the time.

Which isn't a relevant comment for a business user. But allegations of questionable legality of downloads is common when discussing caps in the 300 GB range. I have been hitting 300 GB to 350 GB on a residential ADSL2+ account without using BitTorrent.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
Uplinkpro

join:2008-02-11
Lake Charles, LA
Ok, and which company will you go to? It's not like this is a country where you can actually choose your ISP rather than given the "choice" of one MAYBE two offerings. Heck, I actually wanted to move to another ISP, but was told they don't want to build into our area because Suddenlink is already providing for it...how's that for competition.
DMWCincy

join:2004-04-27
Fairfield, OH

Re: Pricing and Caps

Where I live I am lucky to have a choice between cable and dsl/fiber. While I am not a fan of the local dsl/fiber option if they give the better deal then good bye cable.
whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
quite frankly, I'd have to combine a few different options to get me what i'd need, but yes, not having options is a large part of the problem. Once residential caps kick in, there's a large problem of where is that line being drawn, and is it a money-grab, or is it "protecting the network". It's really not that hard with legal services such as a combination of cloud backups, netflix, and amazon prime streaming, to go over that 300GB cap.
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

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Re: Pricing and Caps

It's amazing how they get away with the deceptive advertising by not giving the bytes you are buying an equal prominence to the speed of the connection. It would be like ordering an HDMI cable and getting a 1-inch wire, but it's OK because length was specified in the fine print.
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY
said by whiteyonenh:

Before anyone says anything, a large majority of this traffic is legit and legal.

Interesting disclaimer.

Of course, it doesn't really matter if your traffic is 100% 'ligit and legal'. 1 terabyte of upload in a month? That's a 24/7 average of 3.3mbit/s. That's so far above any normal standard of residential use as to be 'Exhibit A' in the argument for usage based billing.

Your DOCSIS node neighbors must loooooooove you.
lemonade

join:2003-12-13
Los Angeles, CA
Reviews:
·Charter
dude, I really want to know what kind of stuff you are downloading and especially uploading. What ISP and what speed is that?
I remember couple years ago when I was still in college, almost everyone on the floor use wifi, I'm the only one brought a desktop and use Ethernet for internet and I was pulling 600Mbit download speed, even with that and unlimited usenet, I was only consuming 300-400 GB per month, yours seems pretty crazy, well of course I wasn't doing Netflix 24/7...
whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

Re: Pricing and Caps

Time Warner 50/5, currently on promo for $64.99/mo (which i need to call in about cause they screwed up the billing again), previously TW 30/5. I'm pretty much home 24/7, and don't have cable tv because of cost/budget concerns. Most days i have slacker radio streaming anytime i'm awake, and half the time i might have a live news stream streaming on the roku. there is some usenet in there, but majority is server backups (on the download side), and subsequent cloud backup to crashplan pro (on the upload side), along with various relaying of data (i run a tor relay node, i do not and will not run an exit node). The bandwidth chart is from TomatoUSB running on a Linksys E3000 router, which it looks like doesn't really like my 50/5 connection when i have QoS turned on, so it's looking like I need to upgrade that at some point, it was mostly fine on 30/5. In regards to Crashplan pro, I have a local fileserver which holds 5-6.5TB of data, which changes semi-frequently, as they're mostly GFS scheme acronis backups, more info on what that is is here: »www.acronis.com/support/document···371.html
lemonade

join:2003-12-13
Los Angeles, CA

Re: Pricing and Caps

I see, that make sense now. So I'm guessing Time Warner has no CAP? sorry never used TW before, only Charter and ATT
Bigglesworth

join:2011-02-22
Santa Barbara, CA
Its people like you why we have caps in the first place. Get a proper business line and stop abusing the consumer lines. Thats excessive as hell.
Bigglesworth

join:2011-02-22
Santa Barbara, CA
Cap you and youre gone? Gone where exactly, dude? No other ISP is going to want you unless you pay them a large amount. So have fun while that lasts.

Abiosis

join:2003-09-25
Los Angeles
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
Exactly,why people paid over US$100,$200 for the high/top tier service need to caution about how much data they can use monthly as long as it's still within reasonable range?

it's not about if the caps being enforced by those ISP companies or not but principle...

it sounds ludicrous just to think subscriber need to pay $10 every 50GB after the caps...(Comcast's doin' this last time I checked)

Unfortunately, it seems that's the direction they're heading right now which start to disgust me to be honest ~

anyone with a functional brain cells know we're pretty much screwed if those bid deal'll get done......eventually ~
JasonBourne

join:2000-05-22
Kansas City, MO

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Re: Pricing and Caps

AT&T DSL (6MB/768K) does $10 per 50GB after the 150GB cap as well after years of no caps whatsoever. So happy we are getting Google Fiber sometime this year. Three boys watching Minecraft videos since last summer has meant an extra $10 every month.

And why they implemented caps right after Google Fiber gets announced for our area was one of the most brain dead moves I've ever seen. Or it's the most brilliant as in they are telling me they don't want me as a customer anymore. (Though I can't believe AT&T is that clever.)

NormanS
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Re: Pricing and Caps

said by JasonBourne:

And why they implemented caps right after Google Fiber gets announced for our area was one of the most brain dead moves I've ever seen. Or it's the most brilliant as in they are telling me they don't want me as a customer anymore. (Though I can't believe AT&T is that clever.)

They aren't that clever. For one, they'd like to get you off of their ADSL service, i favor of U-verse Internet. For two, 80% of their coverage probably overlaps other capped ISP.
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Norman
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telcodad

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Lincroft, NJ
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Comcast adds Barclays as adviser on Time Warner Cable deal: sources

Comcast Corp has added Barclays as an adviser as it evaluates a potential deal for Time Warner Cable, according to people familiar with the matter:

Comcast adds Barclays as adviser on Time Warner Cable deal: sources
.By Soyoung Kim and Liana B. Baker, Reuters - January 21, 2014
»www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/···20140121

telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:7

Comcast Leaning Away From Sole Bid for Time Warner Cable Now

Comcast is much more likely to work with Charter on a bid for Time Warner Cable than to pursue an offer on its own, said a person familiar with the situation:

Comcast Leaning Away From Sole Bid for Time Warner Cable - 3rd Update
By Shalini Ramachandran, Dow Jones - January 24, 2014
»www.nasdaq.com/article/comcast-l···24-00637

telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:7

Comcast is Ready to split-up TWC Systems With Charter

An article on the MCN site now:

Report: Comcast Ready to Pair With Charter on TWC Deal
Bloomberg Says Cable Giant Would Take NYC, New England and North Carolina If Charter Lands Deal

By Mike Farrell, Multichannel News - January 27, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···l/147931

telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:7

Could Time Warner Cable turn around and offer a bid on Charter?

An interesting scenario where Time Warner Cable could go back at Charter Communications with a takeover plan of its own, as a means to either get the company to sweeten its bid or get the company off of its back:

Could Time Warner Cable Offer Charter a 'Pac Man' Bid?
By Antoine Gara, The Street, January 22, 2014
»www.thestreet.com/story/12257385···bid.html
quote:
Time Warner Cable has the ability to pull what's called a "Pac Man" defense where it offers to buy Charter Communications as a means to fend off a bid by the fledgling cable operator and its minority investor, John Malone-chaired Liberty Media, according to equity analysts at JPMorgan.
:
In fact, a deal might make more sense with Time Warner Cable as the acquirer of Charter Communications, [Philip Cusick of JPMorgan] argues. Much of the operating and tax synergy that Charter is relying upon would also be present in a Time Warner Cable takeover of the company. Meanwhile, Time Warner Cable has the ability to offer Charter shareholders a solid premium for their stock without taking on too much debt.


telcodad

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Lincroft, NJ
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John Malone shows his support for a Charter/TWC deal

Charter's bid for TWC got a bit of a boost today when Liberty Media chairman John Malone threw his support behind the deal:

Malone Shows Support For Charter/TWC Deal
Cable Legend Says Merger Will Enable Industry to Adopt Common Brands, Technology

By Mike Farrell, Multichannel News - January 23, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···l/147836

The Liberty Media press release: »www.businesswire.com/news/home/2···sal-Time

telcodad

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Lincroft, NJ
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T. Rowe Price Wants Time Warner Cable and Charter to Talk

T. Rowe Price, a major investor in Charter Communications, is urging Time Warner Cable to negotiate a merger agreement with its suitor:

T. Rowe Price Wants Time Warner Cable and Charter to Talk
By David Gelles, The New York Times - January 24, 2014
»dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/23/···to-talk/