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| Re: they have not boot me off yet said by Anonymous_ :April 2009 (Incoming: 200278 MB / Outgoing: 86134 MB) same here. guess they leave areas where FIOS is being deployed alone.
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| Re: they have not boot me off yet i loves my fios. and im not "stealing" anything. | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Is that number from TWC or your router ? | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: they have not boot me off yet Just wondering if TWC had a meter yet  -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |   NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX 1 edit | How about quit stealing content.
There are plenty of free legal alternatives now. | |
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| Re: they have not boot me off yet said by NOCMan :How about quit stealing content. There are plenty of free legal alternatives now. I have him beat and its all legit. technet subscription, linux distros and hulu.
no disconnection notice hear yet. | |
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| said by NOCMan :How about quit stealing content. There are plenty of free legal alternatives now. Please don't start with that nonsense, I implore you.
High bandwidth use != infringing use. It's that simple. -- "Some people never see the light till it shines thru bullet holes." -Bruce Cockburn
I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam: 12900+ messages currently using 406 MB. | |
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2 edits | Re: they have not boot me off yet said by Nerdtalker :said by NOCMan :How about quit stealing content. There are plenty of free legal alternatives now. Please don't start with that nonsense, I implore you. High bandwidth use != infringing use. It's that simple. the only option for "OTA TV" is internet or TW rip off 50$ or more for basic cable is a rip off as most of the channels they get for free
200+GB is normal internet useage as there is 6 computers
about 40GB permonth percomputer = 200GB
my brother and my Cousin game that they play uses 3mbps Total  | |
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| Let me get this straight, We pay 42.95 if bundled or 52.95 per month for HIGH SPEED INTERNET. On Average 5 tp 12MB Service. There has to be a legit reason for giving this kind of speed to the paying public. So why cap it if you are paying for it. Broadband internet is extremely cheap. Get up off your high horse. Watching 2 hours of streaming video per day would put you way over cap according to them. Get a life and some common since you twit, Or are you working for them. | |
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| Re: they have not boot me off yet Pandora
ISPs do not pay by the GB they pay by peak Mbps. So ANY amount of GB download during non peak hours costs the ISP absolutely nothing (0) extra. Both the transit costs and the hardware costs are solely determined by peak Mbps.
Downloading EXCLUSIVELY between 11pm and 8am a 5Mbps customer can download over 500GB a month without slowing down his neighbors or costing the ISP anything extra. This is why the monthly GB cap does not address the issues of ISP costs or congestion. There are methods to control peak hour congestion (costs). One of these is to use proticol agnostic throttling during peak hours, Comcast now uses this during peak hours. The reason cable companies are pushing caps so hard is to protect their video product from the huge competition that is rapidly growing on the internet. | |
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO
2 edits | Re: they have not boot me off yet espaeth
That the majority of customers use their bandwidth during peak hours, I would agree with. However, if you talk to the majority of high bandwidth users(the so called "bandwidth hogs") they are specifically avoiding peak traffic hours. They do this for two main reasons. First with all the congestion during peak hours they really do not get much downloaded (GB/hr) during those hours. Second ISPs have (for years) watched who is causing the problem(congestion) during peak hours on the channel and tend to go after those people first. Essentially if you do not cause a problem for us(the ISP) we will leave you alone. So the monthly caps do not address the congestion issue.
As far as streaming goes: the majority (at least today) of high bandwidth users are also usually on the high end of tech savvy. Virtually all streaming video can be saved to disk(if you are skilled enough). So for the tech savvy there is no need to stream during peak hours. When the less tech savvy users (non "bandwidth hogs") start streaming they will be increasing the load on the channel. As pandora pointed out, they are still below the caps. This means that peak Mbps will go up significantly without breaking the caps and you still need to upgrade the system to handle the load. Again it is usually not the few(1%) "bandwidth hogs" which are downloading a lot during non peak hours that are causing the congestion. It is the majority (85%?) all downloading a little bit (relative) all at the same time (peak hours) that causes the congestion.
Again I would point you to TWC's 10K, they are spending $146 million (for HSI hardware, bandwidth, etc) for revenues from HSI of $4.2 BILLION. | |
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| Re: they have not boot me off yet Pandora
There is a problem with using caps at all. When (and NOT if) enough people are streaming and you try to have set peak hours (for the cap), a large number of people will "discover" how to save to disk rather than live streaming. This will make peak hours become a moving target(4-10 this month, 10-2 next month, ect). This is why I think the only way out(other than just keeping up with system upgrades) is to use a congestion based, proticol agnostic, throttle (when the channel is congested everybody gets throttled back to their fair share). That way if there is congestion everybody gets throttled back and when there is not congestion you can run full steam. The risk with the throttle is that they will overuse it and not upgrade the system to keep up with traffic loads.
The other thing is to look at the numbers. The increased Mbps is NOT costing them all that much money (hardware or transit). Again, I will point to the 10K numbers, $146 million in costs(transit and hardware) for $4.2 BILLION in revenues. The costs of the extra Mbps is really a drop in the bucket. While labor is not included in those numbers, the increase in labor costs (excluding initial installation) will be minimal(the customer/labor ratio will remain essentially constant). It is a pretty safe bet that they will spend far more on PR expenses to recover from this mess, than the increase in labor would have been to manage the the extra equipment. | |
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| Re: they have not boot me off yet That is just it. Those heavy users are usually very tech savvy and understand how things work. So they limit (for the most part) their downloading to off peak hours, which causes zero (0) congestion.
I am not sure what you mean by:
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join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO
| Re: they have not boot me off yet I agree that Comcast's proticol agnostic throttle during peak hours is a great idea. It actually addresses the problem of congestion. The are also (unofficially) handling the cap in smart manner. Those that exceed the 250GB cap and are causing congestion problems are generally the ones being kick out. Those exceeding the 250GB cap but are not causing congestion problems are generally being ignored(in many cases those in this second group are download MUCH more than those in the first group).
You should also be careful about the male/female thing. The person that I know with the largest library(by a HUGE factor) is female and she is not alone. But yes, those that are tech savvy are more likely (particularly when young) to be involved in these kinds of activities. It is usually more about meeting the challenge (king of the hill, fastest, the first one there, etc) than the actual content. Since they are not a business and what they are doing is not costing the ISP anything extra, I do not think a commercial account is necessary. | |
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join:2005-03-19 Homer Glen, IL
| And here we go again.... Do we as humans not learn from our own history? Or I suppose that is only the stupid people.
*sigh* Anyone care to start calling their state reps? My suggestion is to at least file a complaint with the Attorney General . | |
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join:2003-07-20 Greer, SC | Re: And here we go again.... It took citizen complaints to break up the old AT&T. It took the Republicans to put it back together. It is now time for people to complain again and get these greedy asses broke up or under control | |
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join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO
| Re: And here we go again.... Congress allowed it to happen and I think it's been equally controlled by both parties. Check the voting records of your senators and representatives. If they didn't stop it and you voted for either of them, you too contributed to "putting them back together".
If we're going to permit an oligopoly, we need better regulation. Otherwise the government needs to create more competition (tax breaks, cheap financing) to promote wireless. Wireless holds the most promise of rapidly-developed competition since it doesn't require the massive build-out cost and time of a hard-line network. We've been hearing about it for years but it seems to remain as just a bit of static on an otherwise clear monopolistic signal. | |
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| said by rid0617 :It took citizen complaints to break up the old AT&T. It took the Republicans to put it back together. It is now time for people to complain again and get these greedy asses broke up or under control Yeah, that arch-Republican Bill Clinton, who signed the '96 telco bill. That neocon bastard! | |
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Tw is smoking a blunt too big and too fast. Nice buzz there TW? | |
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join:2008-04-30 Kenmore, WA
| TWC customer abuse As much as I love having broadband internet at home, I would sooner use dial-up than pay one CENT to Time Warner.
If people organized a mass exodus from this company, they would quickly die and hopefully be replaced with someone who has more enlightened policies. I would call on ALL TWC customers to call up and cancel your service, even if only for one month. They will get the message! | |
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join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: TWC customer abuse Perhaps TWC really is that clueless. | |
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join:2002-01-27 Kansas City, MO | sigh guess it's time to switch away from time warner... what's sad is it was a great service... but the only thing they understand is money so I guess I have to switch. | |
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  sansri88 Go digtal you analog laggards Premium join:2005-12-17 New York, NY clubs:  | can the hole get any deeper? seriously, this is getting ridiculous. TWC keeps on digging itself an even larger hole. -- Sriram Satish Comcast of NJ II: 39 HD channels. | |
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join:2004-02-05 New York, NY
1 edit | Lame. I don't know how reliable a single anonymous story is. Sounds like you guys are a little too ready to jump on the anti-Time Warner bandwagon after this cap nonsense.
How about doing some actual journalism and getting some reliable sources to back this shit up? | |
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join:2005-08-07 Houston, TX | GrandeCom If I lived in Austin, I'd be using GrandeCom. I wish I were lucky to live in a place with a serious (similar speed, etc) competitor to the Goliaths of cable internet. Of course I'm in no better position using Comcast in Houston. | |
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| Awww, do the TWC execs need a cookie? I think this is just more TWC pouting. They didn't get what they wanted with caps and overages so they hint that trial markets won't get DOCSIS 3.0. Now it looks like they're saying: "Fine! if you don't want to pay us extra for the bandwidth, we'll just cut you off as we see fit".
I don't particularly have a problem with ISP's pulling the plug on abusers but TWC is being pretty stupid to try the same thing Comcast got their ass chewed off for. Do the execs at TWC even read the news?
This is apparently turrning into a major pissing contest between TWC execs and the public at large. -- Tradition: Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid. --despair.com | |
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1 edit | here we go again.... TWC can't just NOT mess things up, can they. They KNOW that they are on the radar of the press, and they go and boot people off of their network anyways?
Someone over there really needs to get their head out of the sand, and use it for a change. -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" | |
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join:2000-06-08 Glendale, CA
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1 edit | Jesus this is getting OLD already This is lame, and it's getting worse. I am not sure if their exec's have their heads stuck somewhere or if they really are just that careless. lol @ 44 gigs in one week lecture. big deal. I go through about 20-30 gigs anyway in a week with all my family members using the connection. I barely download much anymore since I am busier now with my new job but on the days when I do DL torrents, I'd easily get 40 gigs in a week.
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| can not see my bill maybe a invisibill$$$ will work for them stop the crap people are getting fed up with this shit soon fios will be every where and then you will be inviable and no one will care so stop the shit i like you guys twc but please do not make us go to some other provider greed is killing the usa but no will see that till it is to late | |
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join:2001-10-04 Wayne, PA
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| Here Come FIOS Verizon never cared about usage, In any TWC overlays, I can tell you TWC is done. I could go on but look at Comcast in the Western Philly suburbs. I get a mailing almost every single day. Cable stick a fork in you. You are done unless you quit being so cheap. | |
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| it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC RoadRunner has a separate abuse clause in their TOS/AUP. It's up to RoadRunner to decide what happens. They reserve the right on BrightHouse and Insight Columbus as well.
People should read their agreement for using the service. Granted its not stated but you get the TOS as soon as you sign up for service, in paper form.
Again TWC is not doing it. RoadRunner is. The ISP side. NOT the cable operator. | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | Re: it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC Oh, the OTHER side of the coin... Aha... We all see now. | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Re: it's RR that's kicking NOT TWC RoadRunner is NOT owned by TWC. They're owned by RoadRunner Holdings. They're only the ISP and TW owns a stake in them.
You need to go read about them and see what is stamped on their website. | |
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@rr.com | Re: TWC's PR spokeshole said the cut-off is for .... Call bullcrap all you want, fact is that is SOP for security and abuse. How many zombie spammers do you think would be on their networks if this wasn't done on a DAILY basis? | |
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join:2007-01-05 San Diego, CA
| Re: TWC's PR spokeshole said the cut-off is for .... I ditto the BS call.
It should **NOT** be SOP to cutoff a connection simply because it is "unusual" If that were true, then connections that used significantly LESS then normal would also be cutoff!!!
As a network designer & adminitrator, good SOP would be to (a) more closely look at traffic to see if spam or zombie traffic and (b) contact owner of account to walk thru a check of computer.
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join:2000-08-10 Willow Spring, NC 1 edit | Within limits.....this month! Date Download Upload Total 04/09 9.20 GB 11.22 GB 20.41 GB
Haven't been home much this month. I have used 50-70GB on average in previous months. No P2P just streaming Audio and renting Movies. | |
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| Re: Within limits.....this month!
said by ifarrell :Date Download Upload Total 04/09 9.20 GB 11.22 GB 20.41 GB Haven't been home much this month. I have used 50-70GB on average in previous months. No P2P just streaming Audio and renting Movies. I use on average 44gb at 5mbit per day. 88gb at 10mbit None of you user no matter how much are always below me LOL What take most of you to consume in a month only take me 24 hours Thats because most of you are casual user, not heavy or serious internet user  I should be in the book of Guinness record shouldn't I? Give me 20,30,40,50, etc 100mbit and you will see what kind of a serious user I AM WOOHOOOOOOO | |
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join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ | Someone call the FCC Comcast got bitch slapped with a nice fine for this. Maybe TW will get the same. | |
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| this united state or something else well my question is where we live is not like usa isp companys try to put caps to the user we have to fight for our right have unlimited band we deserve i can believe in other country in latin american or other places dont have this kind of policies we living in a country is behind in the technology and speed i can believe in japan they have 100 mbts home user we only have 20 this the country who invented the internet or im wrong thats why this country have this kind of problems .. because the ceo have his head stick in the #!@#@! or somebody else and just think in make more money to have a better and more bigger bonus | |
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