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 |  vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! said by UGgh :
Users need a license to use the Internet! Otherwise their ignorance will destroy it!
Sure, more government licensing will make everything alright. Maybe we can also license people before letting them have kids. | |
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| |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! said by vpoko:said by UGgh :
Users need a license to use the Internet! Otherwise their ignorance will destroy it!
Sure, more government licensing will make everything alright. Maybe we can also license people before letting them have kids. On some sick, twisted level, I would support both of those.  | |
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| | | | | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! As would I. More so with the kids. | |
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | said by Matt:On some sick, twisted level, I would support both of those. I hear ya. The only problem then is we'd need to license the license-givers. | |
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| | | |  Jafo232You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.Premium
join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! What are we bitching about? I think this is actually the first time an ISP actually DID something about zombified PC's. Now, the REAL question is, how come they don't do this every day by law?
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Fallbrook, CA
kudos:1 | said by Matt:said by vpoko:said by UGgh :
Users need a license to use the Internet! Otherwise their ignorance will destroy it!
Sure, more government licensing will make everything alright. Maybe we can also license people before letting them have kids. On some sick, twisted level, I would support both of those. I would too.. | |
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| | | |  PashuneCaps stifle innovationPremium
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Gautier, MS | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! You've got my vote, haha. | |
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| Re: Stupid users need to be taught! said by David:said by vpoko:said by UGgh :
Users need a license to use the Internet! Otherwise their ignorance will destroy it!
Sure, more government licensing will make everything alright. Maybe we can also license people before letting them have kids. Around my neighborhood/town that might not be a bad idea! What some people do to their kids is just wrong. Yeah, I just love it when a couple decides to have 8 kids but they both work at McDonald's flipping burgers for the rest of their life.
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| | | |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Could be worse...
In California, there's one lady that has 14 kids - all through invetro ($$), has no job or home, and the tax payers have been paying for their delivery, WIC, food stamps, and I'm sure soon - welfare (unemployed, living in parents house).
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| | | | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! Ray422
You must be a Republican... | |
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| | | said by UGgh :
Users need a license to use the Internet! Otherwise their ignorance will destroy it!
Thats right, we need the Internet so ISPs can provide us with the finest data that they deem necessary. Don't you worry, they'll cap and throttle anything remotely educational, but you'll be able to see your "Livin with the Lohans" via streaming video.... | |
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| Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Ohh yeah, just like licensing prevents drunk driving wrecks,or licensed/registered gun owners prevents shooting incidents, or licensed daycare (but the employees still abuse children), etc, etc.
Instead these "Stupid users", as you put it. Should be fined heavily for intentional use of a spam/spyware/botnet based operating system. With the additional punishment of installing, from scratch (no slip streaming allowed, or images) Win2k on a brand spanking new machine. No driver disks allowed, run all updates and they must do it in 2 hours time and achieve network connectivity. | |
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| | xirianPremium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! Why would you have them install an old operating system? | |
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| | | Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! Ya really?
They will be "Re-infected" within the first 10 minutes of connecting Win 2000 to broadband.
I work at a small PC repair shop, and a majority of the customers we get have the Fake Anti-virus usuall
(PC tools, Antivirus 2009, ect ect) Which we only recommend a "Nuke and Pave" installing only the OS (no older then XP)
, updates, drivers, and AVG and Firefox....that's it.
Most of the customers don't even know they are infected, and they think the FAKE anti-virus is a real program.
Furthermore, how can you prove that the customer knew he was infected???
Some bots are not as obvious and run in the background. | |
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! said by Pv8man:Ya really? They will be "Re-infected" within the first 10 minutes of connecting Win 2000 to broadband. The way to install an Operating System from scratch is to wipe the drive, install the system from a CD/DVD followed by installing the updates and Virus Programs from CD/DVD disks (the updates being downloads written to the CD-R/DVD-R or pressed copies issued by the Publisher). Only THEN do you actually hook the machine to the Internet (since it should now be protected and up-to-date).
I do this for Macs for people in my user group without fast connctions (the updates can be downloaded and then applied offline) and I assume that Windows Updates can also be downloaded and the downloads applied offline. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! And just how do you install all the operating system updates without connecting to the internet? | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Stupid users need to be taught! said by blahblah2 :
And just how do you install all the operating system updates without connecting to the internet?
Slipstream the service packs, nlite, RVM Integrator, there are several options.
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | That's their punishment, wash, rinse, and repeat..... forever. | |
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| | | said by UGgh :
Users need a license to use the Internet! Otherwise their ignorance will destroy it!
What users?
..."discovering that user IPs had been hijacked and spoofed." | |
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|  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 | According to the carrier, they temporarily suspended the accounts of zombified PCs that took part in the attack They should do scans and do this on an ongoing basis. And then send the users whose PCs have been taken over a list of companies that will charge to clean up their PCs. And until they can show proof from said company they stay offline.
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vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | The company says... ...they've even visited some homes to "study their computers in their native environment."
Will David Attenborough be narrating? | |
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|  winsyrstrifeRiver City BouncePremium
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: The company says... If Steve Irwin were still with us, he would have also been a good choice.  | |
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| |  C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | Re: The company says... Until he got sued for the 234723456245 asses he'd violated with his grotesquely unwashed thumb.  | |
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Costa Mesa, CA | Lol I'm calling today to ask for my 10+ day credit then. Thanks. The more money off my next bill the better.
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| | Why? "suspended the accounts of zombified PCs that took part in the attack and are now crediting those users for lost service."
Why give them a credit? | |
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join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | Re: Why? Probably because it would take more time/$$$ to explain to those people what was happening and why it was their fault (ie: you opened up an email with the subject line of "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: This is FUNNY LAWL!"). | |
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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1 edit | "updated to more sophisticated network protection hardware." Perhaps their equipment/ protective measures were less than robust, leaving them partailly responsible.
Better hardware and some advance planning SHOULD have allowed them to end the attack more quickly. | |
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| | Visit their computers in the wild? Sorry I'm not letting any ISP in my house unless I specifically asked them to come there. Next thing you know they'll see my tivo attached to my hdtv and decide to lower the caps. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Visit their computers in the wild? said by fifty nine:Sorry I'm not letting any ISP in my house unless I specifically asked them to come there. Next thing you know they'll see my tivo attached to my hdtv and decide to lower the caps. The people volunteered. Otherwise you just get a log of abuse activity and account termination. You can take it up with the judge if you feel your not responsible for what you do with your internet subscription.
Although it brings up a good question about, what if this user was a TOR exit node. | |
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1 edit | Crikeee, (Australian accent)You got to study those little buggers in their native environment to get an understanding of their normal behavior, just make sure you put a blind over it's eyes and use a top jaw rope......
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Richmond, VA | Spoof I guess no one read the long reply. Apparently the I.P. addresses were spoofed. Therefore no suspended customers were involved in the attack.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Spoof said by odnc:I guess no one read the long reply. Apparently the I.P. addresses were spoofed. Therefore no suspended customers were involved in the attack. Maybe you should put a couple packet filters on the Ciscos to not forward/route SYN packets from your personal IP range that are coming in over a peering link. | |
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| | | said by odnc:I guess no one read the long reply. Apparently the I.P. addresses were spoofed. Therefore no suspended customers were involved in the attack. I was thinking the same thing before the thread deteriorated into licensing kids, computer users and many other unrelated things 
According to the news release suspected computers were clean. The attackers must have used hacked modems with stolen MAC addresses hooked illegally to TWC's network.
I hope TWC learns from this experience. | |
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| | | | Re: Spoof No, if it was "stolen" MAC addresses, they would still have a unique IP that could be tracked down to a node. And easily shut off at the CMTS if they want.
And then you can track it down house by house by disconnecting the coax from the tap until the IP goes offline. Then you've found who is using a hacked modem with a stolen MAC address. | |
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join:2001-02-26
Waterford, WI | and this is why 3 strikes = fail In an act of bravery, the company says they visited some homes to "study their computers in their native environment," in the process discovering that user IPs had been hijacked and spoofed. Just further evidence that users do get hijacked, spoofed, etc and will be falsely accused of "internet" crimes like sharing music and kicked offline by their isp... | |
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join:2004-05-22
USA | Why suspend them and let them back on? They should suspend their accounts and make them download a virus scanner and spyware scanner to get rid of the virus's and spyware on their computer. What's the point in letting them back on with an infected machine? | |
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B) troubling is the fact ISPS actually spied back on these people when simply telling them "your infected" now clean it or we shut you down
C) they get any kinda of sympathy when it is them and the rest of there chain including rogers that will illegally break laws about scanning WELL before they were allowed too.
YES i once went to work and had designed my own firewall and was testing it forgot to turn it off.
rogers scanned me 653 times in a 5 hr period and when they could not get through this same practice occurred , SHUT DOWN.
Ya see they were pushing firewall software that later came out to have a hole in it like xp has many.
ALSO is this storey true totally was all of these people doing what they say or did they use this as an excuse to go spy on a few other people.
DO you trust media and them , after all its is all the same people. | |
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| | Fixed ? Sounds like a challenge for all you hackers out there. Can you find another back door to TWC ?
4 weeks ago, their commercial email servers were hacked and over 2500 accounts were deleted.
Now in the last 2 weeks this.
Can YOU find another way in ?
Or did TWC finally spend the money to properly secure their network ?
I bet they didn't. | |
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Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | NOT over I don't think it is over. If it was over I would be back to four DNS servers. I still have 248 DNS servers. All but two are from Peakviewrr.com. I also have ANOTHER 135 DNS servers which did not respond enough for reliability in the DNS Spoofability test at GRC.com. All these excess DNS servers are part of the way RR is handling this problem.
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| | | Re: NOT over said by Mele20:I don't think it is over. If it was over I would be back to four DNS servers. I still have 248 DNS servers. Why does the having the extra capacity available mean the attacks are NOT over? Just because the attach went away doesn't mean the network change to improve performance and capacity had to.
Beyond going after the attackers and shutting them down, it seems TWC beefed up their DNS capacity to handle a lot more DNS requests at once making a DNS DDoS alot harder to do.
Weren't users complaining of poor DNS performance BEFORE these attacks started anyway? This solution probably solved much of that too.
Now if they could only move them pack to Orange so my query time is 10-15ms instead of 80+. | |
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