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 rob316
join:2005-10-17
Carteret, NJ | SCUM SCUM | |
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CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
| Re: SCUM quote:
metered billing will become the norm and HOPEFULLY about 99 percent of their customers will shut off their internet.
The above makes no sense -especially from a business standpoint as a ton of equipment and the spending on the equipment will be worthless - no different than burning piles of cash. Stockholders will not reward them if this was the end game.
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Brian
"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain | |
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Doc Lobot
@rr.com
| Listen to this phone call to TWC in a proposed test market city....this pretty much tells whats to come, fast forward to around the 8 min mark.
»www.nypostoplobotomy.com/
The_5_GIG_Rally.mp3 | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | imagine..Free AOL with metered broadband!!! Imagine them giving free aol dialup to supplement the metered broadband. I have reached my cap, i better use my unlimited AOL account . Maybe AOL has a use ? | |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI | Re: imagine..Free AOL with metered broadband!!! AOL is not free if you have to dial in to their system. It's only free if you have your own access. | |
| me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
 ·VOIPo
| Ugh. If they want a metered y not make it a REAL PAYG $10 for a 5/1 and $0.10 per GB? Answer they will not make as much money, maybe even not as much as they r now if as they say most people do not use anywhere close to 40GB. They are, IMHO, just out for money and to skrew the costumer, for more money. IF and only IF they had REAL data that said they needed this I could understand, but as they are now ugh. | |
| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this? »video.google.com/videoplay?docid···05127076
for those on metered billing who don't want to load the video, it's bugs (bunny) and yosemite sam exchanging cannon balls back and forth trying to blow one another to kingdom come.
in the end, metered billing would destroy the ISP industry and create quite a problem with customer loyalty & churn rates. if you think about it... if billing by the byte becomes reality, then wouldn't you want to go with the company who offers the most bits per dollar? again, your chasing what is essentially an unlimited plan again.
however, those who assume that the inflationary pressures plaguing the energy industry spill over into all other industries giving the impression of obscene greed by isp corporations which are at least 2x bigger than they were a decade ago. your choices being limited as they may.. once can foresee metered billing bringing out those to call for rate reglation/relief. industries built upon taxpayer monies (all those fiber optics laid by arpa net decades ago & subsidies paid since) revolve around a taxpayer stewardship of where the industry goes with rates, abuses, and other issues (by both consumers & industry alike).
as much as the big isp corporations OWN the last mile.. it still is OUR public internet, for the time being. | |
| | me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this? Maybe good will come out of this. By good I mean new ISPs that give a crap about their costumers. IMHO small business>big business, the small business around here treat you almost like you are family. Maybe some co-ops would help. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this? I'd be going back to DSL-Extreme if they can keep unmetered billing | |
| | | | | | | | me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | What about fixed wireless? The speed does not HAVE to be next gen, would you rather have a 50/? with a 250GB(or less) cap or a 5/?-10/? with no cap? | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this? Personally - I'd try fixed wireless if the price / bandwidth /caps (no cap) were decent.
Problem is that its hard to find, and typically not cheap.
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Canada = Hollywood North | |
| | | | | | me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: isn't pursuit of metered billing a little like this? I know what you mean about price, I use a fixed wireless. Cost $45 a month for 512/128 I get about 500/256 94% of the time, with no cap. | |
| | | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by me1212  :What about fixed wireless? The speed does not HAVE to be next gen, would you rather have a 50/? with a 250GB(or less) cap or a 5/?-10/? with no cap? Fixed wireless is dead. All the equipment has "rape the business customer with allusions to SLA reliability" prices.
»www.google.com/products/catalog?···-sellers
What about spectrum? Verizon and ATT will buy anything that comes along, and sit on it for decades, kindda like Sprint is doing with its WiMAX spectrum. There is little to no spectrum except for ex-TV channels, and the media lobby groups are making sure whitespace is dead, and ATT/Verizon will buy anything that goes to auction, and with todays "fiscal responsibility" granting away spectrum on merit to small businesses is a political death penalty. | |
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by tmc8080 :in the end, metered billing would destroy the ISP industry and create quite a problem with customer loyalty & churn rates. if you think about it... if billing by the byte becomes reality, then wouldn't you want to go with the company who offers the most bits per dollar? again, your chasing what is essentially an unlimited plan again. Look at the cellphone industry, the contract system stops churn. When contracts do expire you goto the next carrier, then into a contract again. If you do the price shopping loop, one carrier will be hire when you leave contract, another will be lower, you will always be a member of one of the handful of cell carriers. Also cell carriers have fees/text message plans/overages/etc that are different and very hard for the average consumer to compare. Then we have M2M, which in ISP speak is a walled garden, thats a very powerful lock. If all your friends are Carrier A, will you switch to Carrier B and loose all your friends? What about when the father of the household has a phone from Carrier A paid for by his job, what carrier will the wife and kids use? If you telecommute, your employer may strike an agreement with the cable co for unlimited/free teleconferencing and the like, then you will have to buy that cable internet service for the free MBs.
Because of the duopoly, any attempt at price shopping by jumping ever 2 years to the other carrier (TM, SPCS, VZW, ATTM) won't even work.
What if access to the MLB or NFL required a certain internet service? If anyone is a sports fan in your family, especially the male, that decision is already made regardless of cost. | |
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs: | Primordial ooze Time Warner + Lawyers = sleazy primordial ooze | |
| | Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| Re: Primordial ooze and Angry Voters Sleazy primordial ooze is exactly the reason consumers may have to demand network neutrality regulation! Those Time Warner Cable execs don't get that there are millions of internet consumers who could become angry voters. Congress critters know there is no amount of money Time Warner Cable and others can shovel to Congress critters that trumps the complaints of millions of angry voters! | |
| Dampier
Phillip M Dampier
join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY
| StoptheCap.com If you are not in the fight already, please bookmark stopthecap.com and stay in touch. We will have Action Alerts going very soon and will need everyone to mobilize to take action to beat back the usage caps and meters yet again.
This is your fight, my fight -- everyone's fight. | |
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs:
| Re: StoptheCap.com said by Dampier :If you are not in the fight already, please bookmark stopthecap.com and stay in touch. We will have Action Alerts going very soon and will need everyone to mobilize to take action to beat back the usage caps and meters yet again. This is your fight, my fight -- everyone's fight. Yes, thanks for your hard work. I think i speak for most of us when i say thank you ----thank you ---- thank you.
*** HUGS Dampier **** | |
| | me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
1 edit | I just went there cool place. I loled @ tw comparing how when your neighbor uses water you water pressure drops and it said you pay for them, that made me lol. I agree your pressure may drop but he IS paying for the water he uses, a gallon of water costs you $x no mater how fast it comes out. I find it funny how they compare their phail to a TRUE metered billing(a kinda I and I think a lot of others would be ok with) with water you pay x for a gallon of water so y could we not just pay $10 for like a 5/2 connection and like $0.10 per GB and leave it at that.
I get what they r saying, if the dude next to you uses vandwidth there will not be a much left for you, well TW desined it that way it is their fault. If they have to give us huge overages at least give us a good size cap, NO LESS than 500GB for packages 5m and under, 10m=1TB 15m=1.5TB 20m=2TB ect.
Y must the threat us like all we r going to do if we have more bandwidth is download music and movies illegaly? We are their life blood, with out us they could not survive, it is time they treat us as such. | |
| | hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| LOL A Blog who thinks they actually work!
Just so you know, RoadRunner has the same wording in their AUP and TOS. RoadRunner has a separate agreement from the cable operator. So just because TWC is doing it doesn't mean Bright House doesn't as well.
I think your "news site" needs to go and actually read the documents instead of trying to be a news site. | |
| | | dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Time For A Change? said by TransitMan :While it looks like TWC/RR is going ahead with their backwards thinking plan, I may be looking at voting with my wallet and going back to AT&T (and the NSA garbage that goes with it.) AT&T may not be any better, but I will not be held hostage by TWC/RR on any CAPS less that 250GB - 300GB across the board. I do not like CAPS, but at least Comcast or one of the cable companies did their folks right by going with an across-the-board 250GB CAP. And with AT&T working in my area, it may not be long until U-Verse is here. AT&T is testing bandwidth caps as well, and their cap level wasn't much better than TW's - something like 80GB for the top tier, which is available only via uVerse. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Time For A Change? said by dentman42 :said by TransitMan :While it looks like TWC/RR is going ahead with their backwards thinking plan, I may be looking at voting with my wallet and going back to AT&T (and the NSA garbage that goes with it.) AT&T may not be any better, but I will not be held hostage by TWC/RR on any CAPS less that 250GB - 300GB across the board. I do not like CAPS, but at least Comcast or one of the cable companies did their folks right by going with an across-the-board 250GB CAP. And with AT&T working in my area, it may not be long until U-Verse is here. AT&T is testing bandwidth caps as well, and their cap level wasn't much better than TW's - something like 80GB for the top tier, which is available only via uVerse. Acctually the 80 GB cap applies to the 6 mbps tier. The U-verse cap is 150 GB. | |
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duder
@rr.com | fuck the internet the internet is going to shit going back to books soon
everybody dump twc and see how education works for them butt heads | |
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Mad as Heck
@pacbell.net
| Time to Fight Back If the ISPs intend to kill the Internet by imposing caps to save their video services, would it not be possible for neighborhoods to setup their own service by setting up a T1 or T3 line to one house and allowing neighbors to connect? This could be a nice business opportunity for someone to set this up for neighborhoods. | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | here we go again its either upgrade to business class or cut the cable off. | |
| | Clownzilla
join:2008-10-21
| Back to the 90's! Thanks Time Warner for sending the internet back to the 90's! Who needs to advance the integration of the ultra-efficient internet into our lives when we can keep it a novelty and deny the people another technology that can revolutionize the way we live and work. *sarcasm* | |
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WyckedKnight
join:2004-07-12
Van Nuys, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Pure profit without upgrading i found this to be some nice reading, Mostly in part to were it says in the news story " the company's worried it can't keep up with technology " TWC can keep up it's just that they don't want to. stopthecap.com had posted audio transripts of the shareholders meeting in which they said that they didn't need to upgrade in most areas and such. ( Hopefully someone can post up those audio files again ). As these audio files that are on stopthecap.com proves the news story or TWC wrong..
»rochesterhomepage.net/content/fu···id=94552
Thanks to stopthecap.com and the poster preventCAPS for the source.. | |
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doc69
Premium
join:2004-08-01
USA
·Insight Communicat..
·Comcast
| Done! As soon as these isp's go to metered billing i'm done. I will cancel my tv & internet & be done with the bullshit. I & i'm sure a lot of people in this country are getting tired of being bled to death on a daily basis. I hope this shit blows up in their faces. Just my 2 cents.
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I don't really know, but i try really hard not to. | |
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yolarry
join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV | Re: Done! I already done this to my TV.
Once internet gets to point where nobody cant go nowhere. that too will be gone out of my house! | |
| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| RoadRunner The people on here have no clue what they're talking about. I hope you all know RoadRunner and TWC have TWO different AUPes and TOSes for the customers. TWC has one as the operator who is a binding agreement between the customer and them. Then RoadRunner--the ISP has one between the Customer and them.
YOU AGREE TO BOTH! RoadRunner has had the usage limit in their TOS and AUP for at least 4 years now. And now you're having problems. This site never stops amazing me.
By the way, If you don't like what their doing to THEIR NETWORK build your own. | |
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ZachAttack
@rr.com
| Re: RoadRunner It's company's like Time Warner that convince people to vote Democrat and in turn give the Gov't reasons to Nationalize them. With the more and more connected nature of our society Internet connectivity has become a necessity, it's time that the Gov't made them into utilities and regulated them to the hilt. There is no excuse for this behavior especially in cases where communities do bond together and build their own networks, then the company's turn around and lobby to get the said networks shut down. Profits be damned, if you have a monopoly over an area you should be playing nice, and not growing your bottom line (Socialism? Maybe but somethings are too important to be left to laissez faire capitalism). | |
| | | hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: RoadRunner Don't like it build your own ISP and do what you want. If you don't like TWC or RR don't use them and STFU. | |
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ZachAttack
@rr.com
| Re: RoadRunner Well first of all don't tell me STFU you don't even know me, you also give a bad name to people from Toledo, which is where I was born. How about the government takes back all the money given to the ISP's to serve smaller communities and does it itself, TW, Comcast, VZ, all those guys just need to give that money back? ISP's were happy to commoditize Internet Access, and now are upset that people have innovated to use it. | |
| | | elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by ZachAttack :It's company's like Time Warner that convince people to vote Democrat and in turn give the Gov't reasons to Nationalize them. With the more and more connected nature of our society Internet connectivity has become a necessity, it's time that the Gov't made them into utilities and regulated them to the hilt. Obviously, you weren't around in the days of 100% regulated networks.
Like to pay $3.00 for a 3-minute call to NYC? How about $.25/minute to call one mile away?
Like to have no choice at all?
Like to pay $1 extra for a "color" phone every month?
How about regulated OTA TV only? Six channels. Yay.
While we're at it, want to wait in line for four hours to buy five gallons of gas, on an "odd" or "even" day only?
None of my government utilities have lowered their prices or improved their service offerings in the past 10 years. Instead, they've doubled their prices and retarded their service.
In the same period the broadband industry and cellular telephone companies have more than doubled the value delivered, by most any measure.
Competition functions on greed. Greed motivates investors to provide capital and then lose money - the consumer gets the benefit. Regulation (other than for safety issues) results in sloth and props up special bureaucratic and party interests. You'll end up paying a lot more for service that never evolves.
I don't like the nature of anti-competitive tricks pulled by cableco, or the old Ma Bell philosophy that lurks in Texas, but even without competitive local dialtone, market forces have worked to keep the players in check.
If you want to provide a non-profit broadband service, go ahead an organize a coop in your city, and see how far you get; if you're in my town, I'll join your effort. But please, keep your hands off the private companies that are actually delivering.
And lastly, internet connectivity is not a necessity.
You can't demonstrate one application that makes it so. | |
| alexintexas
join:2003-01-11
San Antonio, TX
clubs:
·AT&T Yahoo
·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner VOIP
| It's all about huge "near" future loss in ad revenue when it all comes down to it, it all has to do with ad revenue. they are
1. losing ad revenue to "ON DEMAND" INTERNET with very little ad's and NO REVENUE from online ad's
2. more people seeing the true light of ON DEMAND, thus more ad revenue $$$ being flushed down the toilet or in this case non existent
they have an uphill battle to
1. pass laws in their favor to gain ad revenue from "ON LINE" ON DEMAND AD revenue.
2. being a LONG TERM viable company or to appease the CUSTOMER and the true people who count, the INVESTORS
when it all comes down to it, its ad revenue that is quickly slipping away from something they (TWC) have NO CONTROL over, and dont want to take the time to come up with a WORKING strategy for ALL, only to TAX the end user
Folks honestly why do we pay $15-$200 a month for cable services??? when
1. most all channels broadcast ad spam after 12am
2. most all channels do more re-runs
3. ALL CHANNELS have more ad's, ad time then actual programing time
so in the end WE PAY to see advertising that TWC is making $$$ off a premium service that is already paid for, and we all think this is fair and ok?
so why not a metered billing system if we most already swallow paying to see ad spam 75% of what we pay goes into paying to see adverts.
people of today are more of a ON DEMAND society
ie: a phone that is next to one (cell phone)
ie: dvr services/devices to record programs and watch when time permits
ie: pulling into a fast food place drive thru for food
this is all ON DEMAND
people have a mindset ITS QUICKER, families that juggle daily life with kids, practices, school, work, daily life.
WHEN DOES ONE HAVE TIME TO SEE 15 min. of ad's on a 1hr show????? ----- THIS IS THE INCONVENIENCE of TODAY'S SOCIETY.
so in the end metered billing will be something to stay due to people are ok with ON DEMAND and paying the luxury for it.
these companies still have the mind set that "they" control everything, instead of JUST BEING a communications provider
they not only want their hand in the cookie jar they want to own it and the cookies and the hands that go in it
for me in the end, im already looking to cut my cable to the basic of services, but i ask why do that when i can get "basic" free over the air.
completely cut my USELESS $55 a month digital phone
and lower my internet from turbo to the 3/384 service level
from a total current monthly cost of $145 to about $47 a month.
and let the caps come TWC will loss all my $$ from me..
1. i dont have time to monitor a usage meter
2. i dont want to be FORCED into doing this
3. caps are WAY WAY TO LOW and overages way way to extreme
4. how will they respond to end user virus threats, attacks, and the like
5. downloading a update or patch for programs and hardware we are paying for again!!!
6. we are going to pay to watch any ad stream ran AGAIN, and AGAIN
the last to are good examples of TWC cookie jar example!
so buckle up and enjoy the ride, one im NOT taking or paying for | |
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Hpower
Roflmao
join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA
·Charter Pipeline
| Re: It's all about huge "near" future loss in ad revenue You made good points. I didn't think much about the ON DEMAND part but I must agree that the more we want ON DEMAND things, the more we are using bandwidth and getting raped by the ISP's.
I never watch TV these days but as you said, its like 15 mins commercial for a friggin 20 minutes show....and it's really annoying having to see the same annoying viagra commercial with your young sublings.
Less TV = more internet bandwidth = more getting raped. The caps really are too low. As said, let alone downloading a microshaft patch and browsing sites that have those ads that are like 50304 hours long and consume 5000GB of bandwidth raelly are a killer.
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The Internet is about to go down....it is actually. | |
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Seriously8795
@rcn.com
| Pffft I remember when PRODIGY charged 25 cents to send an email. I guess metered billing illustrates backwards progress due to nothing other than corporate greed. Exciting! 
People in the future will laugh at how primitive and pathetic our utilization of technology was.
"Intentional Degradation" is the best way to describe how companies dumb technology down for Joe Blow consumer. | |
| bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
| Value-based pricing Anyone who thinks that they're not going to end up paying based on value is delusional. If value-based pricing is not brought about by metering, or by a cap plus overage charges, then it will be brought about by raping the low-end users (typically the elderly, at least in this space), making them pay far more than what they're getting is worth, in order to subsidize the overuse by the high-end users (typically games and video downloaders, at least in this space), so that the average price matches the average value.
If you think the low-end users are going to stand for that very long, you don't understand the nature of the consumer marketplace, these days. An inequity like that will be addressed by service differentiation -- a new service just for the low-end users, forcing more and more of the burden for supporting the high-end on the high-end (i.e., a dismissal of the subsidization). So, just like we've seen with cellular, we'll see low-end services, for occasional users, and then a much higher-priced high-end service, for heavy users.
The end-result is going to be the same, no matter what. It is all just a matter of how we get there. | |
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ZachAttack
@rr.com
| Re: Value-based pricing That only works if the amount of the product is finite, with data there is no limit. Comparing internet to water is flawed, to electricity is flawed too. You can't run out of internet. Low end users are low end because they either don't know about the content online (meaning once they are shown it they will utilize it), or they haven't been taught how to use it effectively, either way watching television for any amount of time you are inundated with links to websites and now twitter, that eventually even the "low-users" will ask around/learn it themselves/or get a family member to show them, and move out of the "low-users" group. This is a one-way street for these company's into getting regulated, or put out of business. The Gov't is now much more likely to do things which past governments never dreamed they could have, and if people get upset they will complain and the Government Will act, and these Co.'s will find out they miss the days when they could come up with these kind of schemes. | |
| | | bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
| Re: Value-based pricing I think you're radically over-optimistic about how socialistic this administration will drive the country. It isn't going to happen.
Let's test your logic: Why are there tolls on highways? You cannot run out of highway, can you? And that's not even a company charging you those tolls... that government itself. | |
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ZachAttack
@rr.com
| Re: Value-based pricing Tollroads have a constraint, physical-space you could cover every square inch of land with a tollroad and you'd still have a physical constraint, with data that doesn't exist. You can copy data infinitely and you never run out of data. The Government doesn't run all toll-roads, many toll-roads are contracted out. I'm not a socialist but I am one who believes that business has gone too far, and it's harming the country. | |
| | | | | bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
| Re: Value-based pricing There is no difference between toll roads and communications lines. You can "cover every square inch of land with" communications cable and "you'd still have a physical constraint" on bandwidth. The constraint does exist, even though you don't want it to, and even though it destroys your argument. | |
| ashman454
join:2004-03-10
Manassas, VA
| reasons I can see all kinds of reasons for them doing this...besides GREED, but I would think one important reason they might be doing this is that a lot of customers are cutting off there TV service to few programs and movies online with Hulu and Netflix. Well that's great for customers..free Tv...but Time Warner doesn't like it because not only are people canceling TV service but now there data usage sky rockets because of streaming so they have to buy/build more bandwidth into the network. I don't agree with metered billing and I think them trying to implement it is beyond stupid, but I can understand some of the reasons why. These fools don't realize that if most people had the choice between metered billing or having there data service price increased $5.00 to $7.00 extra a month for unlimited bandwidth, most would pay the 5 to 7 bucks. They wouldn't be happy about it, but the whole idea behind metered billing pisses people off and makes them feel cheated especially when you roll the numbers out like Time Warner did and they are so customer unfriendly it's ridiculous. I'd rather stick with DSL than pay Time Warner's Metered billing. | |
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