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Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
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clubs: | I am downloading the service pack via Getright (I have dial-up and can't get it all at one connection) and it is grabbing it from other mirrors as well. Seems other people have it on their FTP servers. | |
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yock
TFTC
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Fairfield, OH | Microsoft has plenty of resources to meet the demand for the update, and they want to control access to updates to their licensed product. The update isn't free, you just paid for it when you bought Windows XP...or did you? | |
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SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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99999
| Re: What? said by yock  :
Microsoft has plenty of resources to meet the demand for the update, and they want to control access to updates to their licensed product. The update isn't free, you just paid for it when you bought Windows XP...or did you?
I dont use WinXP 
SP2 installs on pirated versions though. So then thats not the problem. | |
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TFTC
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| Re: What? I think you're missing the point. MS is doing their best to control access to the update because there's no way for the service pack to determine whether you bought the software or not. How could it? Ask you to hold up your receipt really close to the monitor? Of course it will install on pirated copies.
I also maintain my statement about the update not being free. The cost of software updates is included in the purchase price of the product. | |
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Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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| Re: What? But my point is, if your allowing it to be installed on pirated systems, why care about where its being downloaded from? If EVERY SINGLE copy of windows xp, legit or pirated, is able to use it without restriction, what is the problem?
If they wanted to fight piracy the best thing they could do is release a somewhat complete and secure product. Many of the people who pirate their software is because they dont want to pay a premium price for a incomplete and insecure product. Would you buy a new car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel? | |
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| Re: What? said by SKYHN :
But my point is, if your allowing it to be installed on pirated systems, why care about where its being downloaded from? If EVERY SINGLE copy of windows xp, legit or pirated, is able to use it without restriction, what is the problem?
They aren't "allowing" it, they simply have no way of restricting it reliably. I thought I made that point very clear... | |
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SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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99999
| Re: What? said by yock :
said by SKYHN :
But my point is, if your allowing it to be installed on pirated systems, why care about where its being downloaded from? If EVERY SINGLE copy of windows xp, legit or pirated, is able to use it without restriction, what is the problem?
They aren't "allowing" it, they simply have no way of restricting it reliably. I thought I made that point very clear...
SP1 did a pretty good job restricting it. I know a few people who dont use legit XP Pro and they were all blocked from getting it. What changed since then?
MS realized that millions of viral infections by their unsecure product could be prevented by allowing pirated versions of it to be patched, so thats what their doing. It should have been done a long time ago. Yeah piracy is bad, but there are things more important to worry about than that. | |
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join:2002-05-25
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| Your point made nothing clear. Most of the people who are getting the update off of microsofts site are going to be burning that update to a disc and installing it onto multiple computers. Hell i made 5 copies of the SP2 disc already to pass around between friends, family, and collegues.
Plus the problem with the pirates is that as of SP2 RC2 the pirates had already broken the "anti-piracy" steps MS took. Couple that with the fact that many OEM licenses were coming up as pirated MS had to change stance at the last moment and ditch that idea.
MS is currently into the business of making it where they want you to do everything THEIR way. Over the past 10 years of computing as soon as anyone comes up with an original idea it has been copied and inserted into their OS the best they can. Patents filed and original ideas locked out. | |
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join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| Re: What? He made his point perfectly clear, just not in the right words.
Microsoft wants to control the access because sooner or later on the P2P programs some smacktard is going to insert a virus into the service pack, put it up for download, then Microsoft is going to get thousands of calls.
You get it from Microsoft and that worry is non-existant.
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| Like the infected files on MS's own download sites, for example? (There were several instances of this - one that I remember involving Word macro virus infections in their .DOC files (notice how those are all zipped into self-extracting .exe files now?), and one that I think involved some binaries too.)
The funny thing is, file-integrity shouldn't be an issue here, the SP2 installer is digitally-signed by MS. So if it were possible to modify the download, in a way that was not able to be detected by the digital signature "wrapper", then that would be directly akin to MS admitted that their whole digital signature system doesn't work. | |
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Jason Levine
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USA
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Many of the people who pirate their software is because they dont want to pay a premium price for a incomplete and insecure product. Would you buy a new car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel?
So paying for a car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel is ok, but taking it for a joyride when you didn't pay for it is? If a product doesn't seem worth the price, don't pay for it. There are always alternatives.
If you don't like Windows XP or don't think it's worth the price, don't pirate it, install Linux. If you don't like Photoshop or don't think it's worth the price, buy Paint Shop Pro (only $99 compared to Photoshop's $500+) or download Gimp for free.
I'm sorry, but "I pirate because the program's not worth the price" is a very poor excuse indeed. (I'm not accusing you of piracy, just don't like the reason you gave why people pirate.)
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SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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| Re: What? said by Jason Levine :
said by SKYHN :
Many of the people who pirate their software is because they dont want to pay a premium price for a incomplete and insecure product. Would you buy a new car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel?
So paying for a car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel is ok, but taking it for a joyride when you didn't pay for it is? If a product doesn't seem worth the price, don't pay for it. There are always alternatives.
If you don't like Windows XP or don't think it's worth the price, don't pirate it, install Linux. If you don't like Photoshop or don't think it's worth the price, buy Paint Shop Pro (only $99 compared to Photoshop's $500+) or download Gimp for free.
I'm sorry, but "I pirate because the program's not worth the price" is a very poor excuse indeed. (I'm not accusing you of piracy, just don't like the reason you gave why people pirate.)
I wasnt necessarily using that as the #1 example of piracy. It of course is because they can get it for free instead of paying. But the insecurity and bugs in Windows XP certainly contribute to some of its piracy.
Personally though, I dont use XP. I only have one system with XP on it and the only reason its on there is because it came with it(Dell Laptop). Its not on my main system or any of my servers, etc. Later this year when I build a new system Im going to have to use it, and I dread that very much. None of the weekly security holes and viruses effect me currently and they havent for the past 3 years. | |
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| Re: What? said by SKYHN :
I wasnt necessarily using that as the #1 example of piracy. It of course is because they can get it for free instead of paying. But the insecurity and bugs in Windows XP certainly contribute to some of its piracy.
I still don't see how insecurity and bugs would be a reason to pirate a program or OS. To me, those would be reasons to avoid it whether I paid for it or not. I do agree though that "getting it for free" is the #1 reason for piracy. Some people just don't think they should have to pay for software at all no matter what the software author says. (Freeware is perfectly ok, so long as it's the author who decided it should be free.)
said by SKYHN :
Personally though, I dont use XP. I only have one system with XP on it and the only reason its on there is because it came with it(Dell Laptop). Its not on my main system or any of my servers, etc. Later this year when I build a new system Im going to have to use it, and I dread that very much. None of the weekly security holes and viruses effect me currently and they havent for the past 3 years.
I've had an XP system up and running for 2 years now and so long as you take basic security precautions (something you need to do no matter what OS you use), you'll be fine. By basic security precautions, I mean run a firewall (e.g. ZoneAlarm), anti-virus program (Avast or AVG are good freeware alternatives), and secure your browser settings. You get bonus security points if you use a router also.
Just remember that the biggest security hole tends to reside between the chair and the keyboard. Take care of that hole and your system will be pretty secure.
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AmnChode
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| Re: What? said by AmnChode :
of course, when a majority of the users of the world use MS's product, thus a mojority of the software(ie, games) are being released for it, your kinda stuck in a catch 22. Are you not???
Not really. Windows is the only operating system that will run the programs/games you just need to use you should either pay for Windows or just not use that program/game.
There are a lot of alternatives to Windows-only programs that run on Linux. I know of a bunch and I don't even use Linux. Use OpenOffice instead of MS Office. Use Gimp instead of Photoshop, etc. I'm sure one of the heavy Linux users here could post a better list. Plus, there are Windows emulation programs that can run many Windows applications.
As a side benefit, the more users on Linux, the more likely that developers will make Linux versions of their products.
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Bichon
Premium,MVM
join:2002-10-10
Freehold, NJ
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Would you buy a new car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel?
No, of course not. But I wouldn't steal such a vehicle either. | |
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join:2002-06-17
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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What if they were giving it to you for free?
Sure. $50 bucks for a tire and I get a vehicle. | |
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
Premium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs:
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| Naw, IMO the biggest thing Microsoft, Adobe, et. al. could do to curb piracy is lower the damn price. Microsoft in particular I have no doubt could still make their millions off software if they sold it at a reasonable price instead of the hundreds they sell it for now.
This, along with non-invasive, transparent copy protection would do a lot to curb piracy among individual users (corporations are another matter, and professional pirates won't be stopped regardless) as these are two big things that contribute to the problem. Lowering prices and ditching invasive, possibly system-crashing copy protection would reduce piracy and increase sales at the same time. Developers learned once about the copy protection issue, but from the looks of things they're going to have to learn it again.
On topic, Windows and its service packs are not open source, GPL, or any other sort of software that gives you the right to distribute them, in whole or in part, in binary or in source, to anyone else. The author, Microsoft, retains the right to be the sole distributor and thus what Downhill Battle was doing was at the very least copyright infringement.
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join:2001-08-30
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| Unless the version on BT was cracked then it doesn't violate the DMCA at all.
MS is blowing smoke. Unfortunately MS has enough lawyers and money that Downhill Battle will suffocate before the smoke clears.
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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| Re: What? said by Morac :
Unless the version on BT was cracked then it doesn't violate the DMCA at all.
How is it that distributing copyrighted software without the author's permission doesn't violate the DMCA? I thought that was one of the main points of the act.
I would assume that Microsoft copyrighted their SP2 code before distributing it to the general public. That should give them the right to determine who distributes it and who doesn't.
I know that if I created some software, copyrighted it, and then decided to distribute it myself for free, I'd try to bring the law down upon someone who took it upon themselves to distribute it without first obtaining my permission. People cannot just take one's intellectual property and throw it around as they please without first obtaining permission to do so.
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join:2003-07-02
Brazil
| said by SKYHN :
How is distributing a FREE update to something violating a DMCA?? Its actually saving MS bandwidth.
Free or not, it's still Microsoft's property. | |
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Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Maybe I'm missing something but what is the point in using BT to download this when you can max out your download getting it from M$'s website.
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Maybe I'm missing something If their primary goal was to sway the minds of senators so they stop drafting crap like the Induce Act, they should have picked an application or an update the author wanted distributed by third parties to make their point.... | |
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Techie2000
In Vertigo
Premium
join:2001-12-05
clubs: | Re: Maybe I'm missing something That's already been done. Linux Distros have been distributed via Bit Torrent for some time now.
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Maybe I'm missing something Well so has Lindows, and so has updates for Blizzard....
That said, we can assume then that their main point was to get hits? | |
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In Vertigo
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| Re: Maybe I'm missing something said by Karl Bode :
Well so has Lindows, and so has updates for Blizzard....
That said, we can assume then that their main point was to get hits?
Probably. Some people just enjoy stirring the pot...
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Premium
join:2003-08-01
| said by Karl Bode :
Well so has Lindows, and so has updates for Blizzard....
That said, we can assume then that their main point was to get hits?
Does this mean that the Induce Act will make Valve's Steam service.. illegal?
(Would serve them right, in a way, for Value trying to make freedom of speech illegal.. it's not illegal to simply describe how to cheat, no matter how much people might dislike someone for doing so.)
Let's hope that it doesn't come to that though. If you thought that the DMCA was a horrible law, and unlikely to pass, wait until we are all guilty of "Inducing".
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| said by Karl Bode :
If their primary goal was to sway the minds of senators so they stop drafting crap like the Induce Act, they should have picked an application or an update the author wanted distributed by third parties to make their point....
I'll concede that argument. I, in fact, sent a letter to each of my Senators and Representatives asking them to vote against the Induce Act. That statement implies that Microsoft is in a position to lead the industry. Granted, they are, but do you really want that to be the case? Shouldn't we be focusing on influencing our lawmakers make decisions independent of Microsoft's position? | |
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join:2003-08-01
| said by Sly :
Congress is considering making all file sharing illegal, even though applications such as the torrent are invaluable.
I hope that they totally eliminate all media-sharing networks, especially those designed to share copywritten materials!
I mean, after all of the public libraries in the US are closed because of that (inter-library book loans, you know), then the foolishness of the politicos will be exposed for the people to see. I hope. | |
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itaLix
join:2002-11-20
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| Good thing I think it is a good thing that MS stopped this distribution. (Well at least told the DB to stop)
because then there is a possibility of users downloading a MS "patch" spiked with a virus/trojan.... too big of a risk for that.
Although people using BT are usually savvy enough to spot something wrong, but not all.
MS isn't worried about bandwith consuption as much as having real SP2 delivered to the customers. | |
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Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| Besides downloading SP2 by way of BT could be harm Besides downloading SP2 by way of BT could be harmful to Microsofts image, If someone had altered the SP2 files somehow and that is what MS is afraid of and that is Why They don't want to lose Control of what is their baby, MS created SP2, Not US the Users......
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SlickEnW
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join:2003-01-21
Seattle, WA
clubs: | hmm well to all who don't know MS has sp2 on their servers already so yah...and i DOUBT it would be bogged down, ms has alot of bandwidth to go around trust me  . | |
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join:2000-07-08
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clubs: | Re: hmm If they have so much bandwidth why are they limiting the number of downloads a day? | |
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Brisk
Qwest's Spirit Of Service Inaction
join:2003-07-11
Colorado Springs, CO
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| Why is microsoft up in arms? It's free bandwidth. I wouldn't be complaining if I were them.
Donating your bandwidth is no different than donating your unused CPU cycles to folding or SETI.
Use it or lose it. No need for unused upload bandwidth in a world hungry for it (unless you're a Comcast subscriber.)
About security risks... What security risk? Every torrent is a signature like an MD5, so that's unlikely.
Linux has thousands of distribution channels (including torrents), and just about anyone can get their hands on the core. No security complaints yet.
Telling Microsoft "told you so" is old so I'll just say...
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| Re: Why is microsoft up in arms? Perhaps because Downhill Battle didn't ask for Microsoft's permission first? If someone took an application I wrote and started distributing it on their website without seeking my permission first, I'd be upset also. If I create it, I get to say how it's distributed not anyone else.
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join:2002-11-20
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| You think the millions of users know how to check the MD5?
Read the countless stories of users just not being able to comprehend fully (even after told countless times) about not clicking here, not doing this, not doing that.
How do you expect under a channel that is completely uncontrolled to be sure that no system was infected or crippled or whatever else because of the patch.
This is an issue with making sure that the SP2 gets installed properly and securely. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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is why would anyone want to pirate the very thing that makes your computer work. If you don't want to pay for a OS then get one of the free ones. Oh I know too lazy to get those pesky drivers to work so your printer,scanner, webcam, etc will work. There are all of these complaints about "Doing it the Microsoft way". I understand this, I don't like being led around by the nose either we on this forum are not your average computer user. The average user simply wants to sit down in from of their infernal machines turn it on and it works and doesn't stop working. They don't know about security, to them a bagel is something to eat, "Firewalls" what are those. You can't fault Microsoft for trying to serve the vast majority of their customers.
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What I fail to understand
is why would anyone want to pirate the very thing that makes your computer work.
Because its free.
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If you don't want to pay for a OS then get one of the free ones.
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join:2004-06-01
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·Mediacom
| WTF?? I don't see the point in discussing the legality of BT and p2p in general. The software is LEGAL and you all know that! However it's also used for illegal purposes 99% of the time. That is no reason to make it illegal, but don't you get it ?
Our lawmakers will make and/or change any laws and do their best to make sure that their employers will be happy. I'm not talking about the American people, I'm talking about RIAA/MPAA and other greedy organizations. RIAA will go to court and intimidate people to extort the money, this just shows how much they love cash and do you really think they would spend 100s of thousands of dollars on donations because they're happy to give ?
I don't know about you, but personally I don't really care about these 'laws' anymore. I just ignore them...
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| Re: WTF?? (LOL!)..Fact of the matter is just that,Microsoft,your esteemed politicians and just about everyone else involved,are motivated by GREED!..MONEY & POWER..so I dont feel bad about saving myself hundreds of dollars by downloadin pirated software,albums,movies or anything..OH WELL I GUESS IM JUST AS MOTIVATED..(LOL!)..I dont even pay for my web access anymore!..:D....OOPS.. | |
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wuy3
join:2004-08-04
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| woooo althought I would agree with you there on some laws, I wouldn't go as far as to explicitly POST it in the form. You don't know what kind of people are reading this stuff online.
Right now Microsoft is bullying everyone to their terms, but thats part of living in capitalism. And that arguement about keeping SP2 safe... sure that could be one reason for it, but I'm pretty confident they just don't want to be caught promoting P2P sharing when they are at the same time complaining about P2P's distribution of pirated window XPs. It just doesn't look good from a PR prospective | |
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MS released SP2 to fileplanet a day early so having a single distro point directly from the MS ftp is irrelevant also. | |
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| Re: woooo said by swilson191:
the point of SP2 is security, security, and more security. MS has nothing against P2P, hell they have it built into msn messenger.
In fact, doesn't MS actually bundle their new "peer to peer advanced networking services" with SP2? I thought that at one point I had read that; I know that it is available as an add-on for XP SP1.
Peer-to-peer networking, Grid Computing, these are the technologies of the future. MS even has new P2P networking APIs built into the core of Windows, in XP SP2.
said by swilson191:
what they are trying to stop is a recompiled SP2 hack which would open security holes in which it has been working on closing for the last 2 years.
MS released SP2 to fileplanet a day early so having a single distro point directly from the MS ftp is irrelevant also.
That's probably the "nightmare scenario" that they are trying to prevent. Nothing like a good lawsuit from a user or a company that unknowingly downloaded a hacked SP2 update installer from a dodge site and contracted a virus/trojan/whatever from it.
Also, are you so sure that MS sent the file to FilePlanet early, or did they get it from an MSDN subscriber or MSBeta user? (If, in fact, they aren't an MSBeta user themselves, which they probably are.) | |
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MustardMan
join:2003-05-22
Sealand
| The moral majority have spoken I am in the computer support business and I have done work for many, many, MANY fine upstanding citizens, some of which are pillars of their community, successful business people, young and old. The one thing they all have in common is that most are willing to risk using a pirated copy of XP and/or Office rather than pay the ridiculous price for it.
The bottom line....when the moral majority are willing to pirate your software then YOU have a problem that no law can prevent, that no technology can fully eliminate. You need to look inward NOT outward.
Now back on topic, MS does not want to use innovative concepts like bittorrent because they are now thinking like a typical big corporation that wants to try maintain as much control as possible. They are no longer thinking like an innovative high tech company. This sort of thinking bit IBM on the ass hard when they had the chance to own DOS but instead gave it to MS and concentrated on the hardware and Microsoft will suffer the same sort of fate in a similar way. | |
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Product of Society
@aol.com
| I think anyone who understands the DMCA would agree that it needs to be ammended at the least if not trashed and totally rewritten..The fact of the matter is that if innovation is to continue or happen at all in this country then we need SOME type of protection for the people doing the innovating at least as far as to make it appealing to them to put in the time and effort.BUT..we also at the same time have to think ahead to future innovations and how they can be stifled if every idea and line of code can be owned by someone. and controlled in the way it is now..also we have to think of the rights of the HONEST LAW ABIDING end users.who just want to OWN what they purchase and get theyre moneys worth..(aka backing up software,albums,dvd's,etc for personal use)we have always had laws in place to protect intellectual properties. but they have always before allowed move for future innovation at the pace it WAS moving and the way it WAS going. and if im not mistaken consumers were allowed to make "ARCHIVAL" copies of purchased properties....BUT NONE OF THAT CHANGES THE FACT THAT I DONT LIKE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING I DONT HAVE TO..(LOL) | |
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jazzy_
join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC
| the point.. I think the point is being missed here. The idea is that Microsoft could be using this P2P technology themselves to distribute SP2, all Downhill Battle was trying to show was the power of P2P through BitTorrent. This notion of the service pack getting infected with viruses/trojans is nonsense if the release is coming through Microsoft. | |
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Necrosis1
join:2001-04-30
Wilmington, DE
| Stupid Im sorry but im 110% on the side of MS for doing this. How stupid can you be to trust the DL from a un-offical source. A freekin' Service Pack at that!
The whole point of SP2 was to make Windows XP more secure and letting ANYONE mirror the file basically throws that whole idea in the crapper. | |
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| MustardMan
join:2003-05-22
Sealand
| Re: Stupid said by Necrosis1 :
Im sorry but im 110% on the side of MS for doing this. How stupid can you be to trust the DL from a un-offical source. A freekin' Service Pack at that!
The whole point of SP2 was to make Windows XP more secure and letting ANYONE mirror the file basically throws that whole idea in the crapper.
That's why you have seeders and robust file hashing. Lindows...err Linspire and Redhat Linux distribute over Bittorrent. I don't see security as much of an issue. That's just old client/server model "we need to centralize the data" type thinking. You need to open your mind a little and try grasp the evolutionary concept of Bittorrent P2P.
Mark my words, once MS finally "gets it" you will see a Torrent like file distribution system out of MS. Probably a few months after they start seeing Bittorrent as a threat just like what happened when they finally noticed that Netscape was a threat. | |
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AnonName
@co.uk | Re: Stupid 'Mark my words, once MS finally "gets it" you will see a Torrent like file distribution system out of MS.'
i heard that microsoft were using p2p technology in longhorn, may be wrong about this though so dont hold me too it | |
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Ad0o
@range217-44.btcentra
| my 2 cents About the piracy issue, i must confess i am a bit of a warez monkey, HOWEVER with an os (i am using xp pro) i WOULD pay for it IF it was just a little more affordable, i am still at school, if i didnt aquire these things illegally i would still be using windows 98, well, my idea of reasonable price is a bit of a dream, i would be willing to pay maybe £50 for a legit copy of xp pro
... i have tried various linux distro's, i have a usb adsl modem though and there are no linux drivers for it so i gave up
back to the sp2 issue, i wouldnt download s2 via bittorrent even though it is 99.9% not tampered with i would download from m$ just for the knowing that if something is wrong i CAN blame ms. lol, personally though i am not even going to get sp2 as it is, i dont see any significant benefits it has.
i feel it was a good demonstration of the power of p2p though.... if bittorrent was banned it would only affect sites suck as suprnova and youceff etc.. small sites wouldnt get noticed, and people could run private trackers and sites (as they already are
.. btw, did m$ get the patent to the word 'Windows' 
oh, sp2 blocks the same serials as sp1 .. according to an article i read in a magazine anyway | |
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AnonName
@co.uk
| 3 points 1) 'In getting hits? Is distributing content against an author's will something users didn't think Torrent could do? '
Nice to see the report isnt taing sides :S
2) The service pack has been available to everyone, regardsless of their operating system (legal or otherwise) via direct download, so the point about not having permission when microsoft arent blocking anybody? seems a tad stupid to me....
(no point in saying that its for security reasons, im sure thats been coverd in the vast amounts of text above :S)
3) Surely a bit of piracy (not that i do) against an illegal monopoly that overcharges for its product might have some beneficial effects, like making microsoft realise the good times wont last forever and its time to start maing friends with consumers by using slightly mnore realistic prices | |
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Torrent SP2 'Experiment' Ends
MS owns the Copyright?
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