TorrentSpy Calls It QuitsISOHunt says they'll continue fight 06:27PM Thursday Mar 27 2008 by Karltags: legal · Video · competition · Fileswapping · business · wireless · contentTipped by TK Junk Mail  Last year Torrentspy blocked all U.S. visitors as part of their ongoing legal fight with the MPAA. Now the website is officialy dead; the outfit announcing this week that they're shutting down operations for good. This wasn't a result of legal action, but because Torrentspy simply figures they cannot win after a protracted fight with the MPAA. That fight involved MPAA-paid hackers breaking into TorrentSpy systems, but also involved TorrentSpy destroying evidence. From a statement posted to the company's website: The legal climate in the USA for copyright, privacy of search requests, and links to torrent files in search results is simply too hostile. We spent the last two years, and hundreds of thousands of dollars, defending the rights of our users and ourselves. Ultimately the Court demanded actions that in our view were inconsistent with our privacy policy, traditional court rules, and International law; therefore, we now feel compelled to provide the ultimate method of privacy protection for our users - permanent shutdown. CNET has an interesting follow up conversation with the folks behind the Canada-based Torrent search portal ISOHunt, who say they'll continue their legal fight against the entertainment industry.
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INT0CABLE
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Ottawa, ON | Re: they simply gave in I don't see you devoting your time and money to a bunch of ingrates. Oh, also, Ron Paul and I were hanging out the other day and he said he is ashamed that you support him, really, he was being serious too. | |
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Skeedatl
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Laguna Hills, CA | Huh? What have you done for the torrent community other than bitch about those who spends hundreds of thousands fighting? | |
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| Oh well. Torrent Spy blows chunks anyway. Piratbay.org FTW. | |
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| Hollow Victory The MPAA may have won the battle against TorrentSpy, but they
are losing the war. There are dozens of other torrent sites to
take their place, and indeed some new ones have started up in
the past few weeks.
So all the anti-p2p trolls, corporate shills and MAFIAA
apologists on the Net can crow and trumpet all they want, claiming
that another major "piracy" site has been taken down. In
reality, it was just one site, indexing torrents available
elsewhere. And in many p2p users' opinions not a very good
one, doing things like foisting pr0n ads upon site visitors.
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| Re: Hollow Victory said by Doctor Four :The MPAA may have won the battle against TorrentSpy, but they are losing the war. There are dozens of other torrent sites to take their place, and indeed some new ones have started up in the past few weeks. The war against what? Crime and the protection of intellectual property rights? Why do you try to make it sound like you're the good guy? | |
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Bronx, NY | Re: Hollow Victory we are the good guys | |
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Margate City, NJ | Re: Hollow Victory said by INT0CABLE :we are the good guys NO - you're not. | |
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Bronx, NY | Re: Hollow Victory you are mistaken on what is good and what is bad it seems | |
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Ottawa, ON | Re: Hollow Victory Good = whatever we do.
Bad = whatever anyone else does. | |
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EricS
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If you upload and share, you will get caught by the MPAA. | |
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| said by INT0CABLE :we are the good guys You know, I said absolutely nothing about good vs. bad in
my post. But Quatrix (whom I have on ignore, BTW), is putting
words in my mouth, assuming I said that. Seems all he did was
post a knee-jerk reaction to my comments.
But the MPAA, IFPI, RIAA and all the rest are indeed losing
the war. Piracy/infringement/filesharing/bootlegging cannot
be stopped.
It is like the wars on drugs, poverty and terror. Yes there
may be a few high profile victories here and there, but it
will never be completely eradicated.
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| Re: Hollow Victory I have no love for the MPAA or the RIAA, especially the RIAA. They have dug their own graves by not embracing technology and the internet, and then finding effective and
cheap alternatives to the dinosaur days they cling to. Oh, much of the music the industry highlights and advertises, just really sucks.
Anyway, you compared the fight to war on drugs, terror, and poverty. Just because we can't totally eradicate those things, doesn't mean we should stop trying. Should we just stop fighting all crime because there will always be crime? Should we stop fighting diseases just because there will always be diseases? I think not. | |
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| Re: Hollow Victory War on drugs ? How about legalize it and let darwin's theory sort the trash from the rest. Imagine the taxes we could collect on this , not to mention the purity and addictiveness could probably be engineered out of the drug. But alas most addiction is because people have addictive personalities.
War on poverty ? Really we started one on that ? I wouldn't know that by looking at what the government does. But the taxes from said legalized drugs could help us build more subsidized housing to help fund the war on poverty.
War on terror ? Don't make me laugh here , you were sold a line of BS from the gubberment to help erode your freedoms. And they did it very well. Look at how intertwined the corporations that are making money off this "war" are with the government. They are a cancer growing on the backbone of America.
How about we take our troops from other countries and let them blow each other up instead of blowing up our troops ? They should not be fighting a war for corporations , they should be fighting for their freedom in their native country.
The "war" on piracy is next. Because we have to preserve our way of life right ? Let us all bow to the **AA heads and start raiding more countries to protect our way of life ! We must ! If the **AA had their way we would be invading any country that doesn't bend over to their way of doing business.
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| said by Doctor Four :It is like the wars on drugs, poverty and terror. Yes there may be a few high profile victories here and there, but it will never be completely eradicated. This is true in the sense that trying to prevent people from copying stuff that other people created is a battle that will always be with us.
It is also true in the sense that the current weapons used to fight that battle are horribly stupid, counterproductive, and have effects on those of us who are caught in the crossfire that range from annoying to scary to downright deadly.
I'm a big fan of the GPL and its variants. I think people who volunteer their time and energy on projects that benefit us all deserve our undying gratitude.
I don't believe that because some people choose to donate their time, talent, expertise and hard work to the betterment of the community that everyone else should be forced to as well.
Creators of works of art (movies, music, literature, etc.) should have the freedom to choose whether to give away copies of their creation or sell them or keep them all for themselves. It's their work. It should be under their control.
That's not to say that the entire system of copyright isn't horribly flawed—it is. That's not to say that the **AAs haven't been incredibly stupid about how they have proceeded—they have been.
But I also think that devaluing the talent and hard work that goes into the creative process by freely copying the fruits of their labors without permission and without recompense is incredibly selfish and amoral. I've never seen any defender of copyright infringement make any kind of argument that would make me think otherwise.
On the other hand, some kind of moral argument can be made for legalizing drugs. I can also accept that some people, by dint of hard work, brains, and even a little luck will always end up better off than others. I can even accept that there may be some twisted, perverted kind of justice and morality at the core of some terrorists (Hell, the IRA used to get lots of funding from Americans back in the day). | |
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| said by quatrix :said by Doctor Four : The war against what? Crime and the protection of intellectual property rights? Why do you try to make it sound like you're the good guy? ummm....cuz he is ... | |
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| You are right in saying copyright infringment commiters are not the good guys, but the mpaa is worse. They are trying to "own" the Internet and everything that goes on in its vast amounts of data. Whether or not you support illegal downloads you should support net nutrality to the fullest. How would you like to use an Internet where few corporations run it? Its like gas. A few big guys run the show, gouge the prices, and the end user suffers. | |
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| said by quatrix :said by Doctor Four :The MPAA may have won the battle against TorrentSpy, but they are losing the war. There are dozens of other torrent sites to take their place, and indeed some new ones have started up in the past few weeks. The war against what? Crime and the protection of intellectual property rights? Why do you try to make it sound like you're the good guy? The RIAA is stealing from the artists. Of all the money won from these "scare tactics" and "out of court settlements" (read: not a single court case has been won), the artists have seen NOTHING.
It's funny that the RIAA talks about the protection of the artists intellectual property, and yet, of a CD sale, something like 95% of the money goes to the label.
Big fucking scam. And you've fallen for it. | |
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| Re: Hollow Victory said by Sean :said by quatrix :said by Doctor Four :The MPAA may have won the battle against TorrentSpy, but they are losing the war. There are dozens of other torrent sites to take their place, and indeed some new ones have started up in the past few weeks. The war against what? Crime and the protection of intellectual property rights? Why do you try to make it sound like you're the good guy? The RIAA is stealing from the artists. Of all the money won from these "scare tactics" and "out of court settlements" (read: not a single court case has been won), the artists have seen NOTHING. It's funny that the RIAA talks about the protection of the artists intellectual property, and yet, of a CD sale, something like 95% of the money goes to the label. Big fucking scam. And you've fallen for it. lol. So because you feel it's wrong, then stealing MUST be right.
Great logic there. | |
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| Re: Hollow Victory America was founded on people stealing goods from the British empire. America truly was founded on piracy. Debate all you want - But thats just the way it is. So for a person with an American flag as their avatar to support the RIAA goes against logic. The RIAA is literally stealing money from the people who diserve it because said people created said product. Yet since the RIAA controls all venue's said people get 'taxed'. Sound familiar? It should. | |
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| Re: Hollow Victory It isn't just the RIAA. The members of the MPAA do this as well, and Disney (one of the Big Six movie studios) is perhaps the most egregious violator of others' intellectual property rights.
Case in point: The original creator of the Lion Sleeps Tonight, which in its native tongue was called Mbube (Lion), was a South African Zulu named Solomon Linda. Disney used that song in the Lion King without giving Linda's heirs any royalties for it. So they sued the studio for $1.5 million: »www.time.com/time/magazine/artic···,00.html
If that isn't copyright infringement by one of the **AA members, I don't know what is. Or how about Edgar Bronfman,
the CEO of Sony/BMG telling his own children it really isn't all that big a deal if they download songs from the Internet over filesharing networks.
When it comes to copyright infringement, there is clearly a double standard which makes the **AAs look like hypocrites.
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| Re: Hollow Victory You should re-read what I posted, and attempt to use logic. The RIAA is very much so just like British empire was back in the day. Instead of stealing natural resources and labor by taxation, they are stealing an artists creation and labor by use of almost literal taxation. | |
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| Re: Hollow Victory said by Mchart :You should re-read what I posted, and attempt to use logic. The RIAA is very much so just like British empire was back in the day. Instead of stealing natural resources and labor by taxation, they are stealing an artists creation and labor by use of almost literal taxation. So that makes stealing right? The more you steal, the more you prove the **AA's point that more laws need to be created.
Justification that stealing is okay because you disagree with the **AA is just a cop out. But you keep believing that.
I'm sure our founding fathers would agree with you. | |
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| Re: Hollow Victory They would agree with me. Not only did they not pay their taxes to the American colonies government, but they stole and desecrated product from Britain to.
Just because I support pirating music doesn't mean I support pirating other material. But pirating music is a means to the greater end in terms of bringing down the RIAA. Certain bands and artists allready realize this. Thats why I bought the latest nine inch nail's album. | |
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Bakersfield, CA | FWIW, pirate bay is what I use, but they also force pr0n ads on you, but then hey, what's the internet for, if not pr0n. | |
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| Re: Hollow Victory said by PhiloVance :FWIW, pirate bay is what I use, but they also force pr0n ads on you, but then hey, what's the internet for, if not pr0n. pr0n? you'll go blind looking at that stuff!
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| Re: Hollow Victory said by dvd536 :said by PhiloVance :FWIW, pirate bay is what I use, but they also force pr0n ads on you, but then hey, what's the internet for, if not pr0n. pr0n? you'll go blind looking at that stuff! What? Who said that??  | |
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| the MPAA/RIAA are much much much worse then the pirates. they are anti competitive and anti consumer on all levels and they get away with it in ways that make the phone company drool.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | the difference is the war on drugs atleast targets something that is causing harm. ive never heard of driveby shootings related to downloading the latest pixar flick
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Hingham, MA | Re: Hollow Victory I thought drive-by shootings over the next Pixar film was the MPAA's next strategy if the suing people fails... | |
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| i dont like my tax dollars being wasted on the court cases related to fighting P2P based piracy. first off as a tax payer this doesnt and wont ever gain me a single thing nore will it gain the nation a single thing. if Piracy of media where to go away totally, i can assure that prices would not go down infact they would go up because the companies wouldnt have to compete with free.
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clubs: | Thank God.. That site sucked ass anyways.. bunch of fakes and virus infected files (I never got any) but most was just useless files. | |
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clubs: | Re: Thank God.. IRCSPY.com was better it was the brother site.. i loved it.. but of course it didnt take long for them to stop that.. been over 2yrs since that site was around..
torrentspy.com was good they had awesome "teams" on that site. | |
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Mchart
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| Couldn't make a profit They tried really excessive ads, and given the popularity of thepiratebay, isohunt, and others, they just couldn't compete. I get better results searching at google and yahoo than torrentspy. They don't run a tracker at all, they are a leech, just steal other people's/site's very old 0 seed torrent files and bombard you with sleezy ads. I guess they just couldn't afford the electricity and internet pipe bill | |
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| My view Imagine, if you will, that you decided to go out to eat in the next town over. You think you know the directions to the restaurant, but you find yourself driving around aimlessly in an unfamiliar part of town. You decide to pull over at the nearest gas station and ask a stranger for directions. After obtaining the directions, you proceed to drive to the restaurant and eat your food. Whether the food was delicious and left you craving for more, or caused you to contract a mild form of food poisoning, there is one fact that remains unchanged: The stranger that gave you directions was not at fault, nor were they responsible for keeping track of what your name, license plate number, or favourite color was; they simply gave you directions to the restaurant you wanted to eat at.
Similarly, search engines are not responsible for keeping track of people who are looking for directions, nor are they responsible for recording personal information about said people. They simply give them the directions they seek to quell their hungry.
That's just my view on the whole search engine thing, anyway.
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More copyright fascism. Just shows how draconian US laws really are. | |
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Do not upload.
Only Download. | |
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Brick, NJ | Irony. The Irony is, if there was no laws, there would be no illegal torrents. | |
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