 
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| So What? If Sony bribed Toshiba to drop HD-DVD then Sony was doing Toshiba a favor. With just about all of the major studios dropping HD-DVD, as well as video rental and other retailers dropping HD-DVD having pretty much sealed the fate of the format, Sony could have left Toshiba hanging with nothing.
--
This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
|
 | jc100
join:2002-04-10
 ·RoadRunner Cable
edit:
February 24th, @10:44AM
| Re: So What? Well two major studios still continued to back HD-DVD. Also, HD-DVD has things that Blu-Ray does not. One was the ability for players to go online, shop, watch previews, and special director commentaries. Blu-Ray players lack this interface. Still, as you mentioned, most studios jumped ship. However, I imagine if Toshiba wanted to, they could have dragged the battle out longer. It might have been a losing one, but sometimes wars are not about winners. It's about who comes out on top. If Toshiba wanted to, they could drag it out to the point consumers would have backed off both products, costing Sony a lot of money. Personally, I think this joint venture and working together sounds good. Sometimes, people got to lay down their pride and find other means to go about business. Seems to me Toshiba and Sony have worked out a compromise in which they both win. Congrats. | |
|
| | 
Zeb
Premium
join:2000-07-10
Lewisville, TX
 ·AT&T DSL Service
| Re: So What? said by jc100  :Also, HD-DVD has things that Blu-Ray does not. One was the ability for players to go online, shop, watch previews... That must be the killer feature! I'm glad my DVD player supported DIVX, because that was revolutionary!  | |
|
| | | nanoflower
join:2002-07-14
30876
| Re: So What? Umm, DivX support is still handy. It's nice to be able to take a clip that you've downloaded and put it on a DVD and play it without having to convert it. It's nice to use since it does provide better compression and quality (though MPEG-4 ASP isn't as good a quality as MPEG-4 AVC)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX
Now that other form of DIVX (Digital Video Express) that Circuit City had where you could rent a DVD for a week or so, and then the DVD wouldn't play anymore until you paid more more. That was a horrible idea that should have died on the drawing board.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX_%28Di···press%29 | |
|
| | | | 
banditws6
Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL
·Comcast
| Re: So What? said by nanoflower :Now that other form of DIVX (Digital Video Express) that Circuit City had where you could rent a DVD for a week or so, and then the DVD wouldn't play anymore until you paid more more. That was a horrible idea that should have died on the drawing board. I think that was the DIVX he was talking about. 
I cheered the day Circuit City announced that DIVX was dead.
--
"I'll follow the law until it's just stupid." -Ted Nugent | |
|
| | | | | |
| | 
S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| said by jc100 : Also, HD-DVD has things that Blu-Ray does not. One was the ability for players to go online, shop, watch previews, and special director commentaries. Yes...I will miss the ability to get Sly Stallones profound commentaries. I will also miss the ability to shop for all of my Stallone/Seagal/Snipes gear from the comfort of my DVD player!!!! | |
|
| | alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
| said by jc100 :Also, HD-DVD has things that Blu-Ray does not. One was the ability for players to go online, shop, watch previews, and special director commentaries. I think all Media Players and STB's should have an Ethernet connection. Not necessarily to go OnLine, but for the Networking capabilities. With the big Hard Drives you can store all your Media and play it anywhere you want in your house, including your big HDTV....Apple TV move over! | |
|
| | 
Jwobot
join:2002-08-14
Utica, MI | watching previews and special director commentaries is just fluff stuff. The main appetite is what it's all about. | |
|
| |
| | 
javaMan
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-15
San Luis Obispo, CA
edit:
February 24th, @01:15PM
| Re: So What? said by Derspankster :said by pnh102 :If Sony bribed Toshiba to drop HD-DVD then Sony was doing Toshiba a favor. With just about all of the major studios dropping HD-DVD, as well as video rental and other retailers dropping HD-DVD having pretty much sealed the fate of the format, Sony could have left Toshiba hanging with nothing. The question is "which came first?" It's not beyond comprehension that the deal with Sony was struck before the studios dropped HD-DVD, not after. Just because it was announced after doesn't mean it wasn't done before and the studios made their announcement with full prior knowledge. What difference does it make? If they decided to scrap it in order to do a deal with Sony, so be it. It's not illegal or even unethical. It was their technology to do with as they pleased. Those who are now stuck with HD players might be understandably pissed but that's life. There was no guarantee HD would have won out in the end anyway. So for whatever the reason, they are out of luck. Just for a different reason.
--
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . . Isa. 5:20 | |
|
| | | 
Derspankster
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Marion, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: So What? said by javaMan :said by Derspankster :said by pnh102 :If Sony bribed Toshiba to drop HD-DVD then Sony was doing Toshiba a favor. With just about all of the major studios dropping HD-DVD, as well as video rental and other retailers dropping HD-DVD having pretty much sealed the fate of the format, Sony could have left Toshiba hanging with nothing. The question is "which came first?" It's not beyond comprehension that the deal with Sony was struck before the studios dropped HD-DVD, not after. Just because it was announced after doesn't mean it wasn't done before and the studios made their announcement with full prior knowledge. What difference does it make? If they decided to scrap it in order to do a deal with Sony, so be it. It's not illegal or even unethical. It was their technology to do with as they pleased. Those who are now stuck with HD players might be understandably pissed but that's life. There was no guarantee HD would have won out in the end anyway. So for whatever the reason, they are out of luck. Just for a different reason. Doesn't make any difference. It was just an observation on how it might have played out. Fact is, I do own a HD DVD player. I frankly haven't been exactly blown away with HD disk content but it does a great job upconverting my collection of DVD's. I spent my money early and guessed wrong. No big deal except for the fact that I won't spend it again for a Blu Ray.
--
I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong | |
|
| | | |
javaMan
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-15
San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: So What? said by Derspankster :. . . No big deal except for the fact that I won't spend it again for a Blu Ray. Sure you will. It may take to time, but you will.
--
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . . Isa. 5:20 | |
|
| 
C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
·Verizon Online DSL
| HD-DVD offered more extras, more high definition extras, and more audio tracks/languages than BluRay movies did, in spite of BluRay's often hyped storage space advantage.
HD-DVD enjoyed region-free capability, which meant that importing movies was no longer a constant burden like it is with DVD and BluRay. And most of the profile updates thus far on the BluRay front have been to add in what HD-DVD had from the word 'go'. BluRay basically gives movie producers an excuse to double/triple dip on us again by releasing initial releases of movies without any extras, only to come back like a year later and release a "deluxe/limited" edition with all the extras that we initially wanted and charge more money. Oh, and you'll need to buy a new player every time Sony decides to release a new profile. Sony has a revision fetish that borders on asinine, having already released about six versions of Memory Stick, with BD 2.0 already set to release and talks of a 2.1 spec already being thought up of. And other than the PS3, there isn't a single stand-alone player that will upgrade to BD2. Sony will be able to pull all sorts of software voodoo to make BD2 work on the PS3 because of the hard drive, a luxury most (if not all) stand-alone players don't have.
It's funny how Sony's music dept. is talking about removing the DRM in their music CD's, where Sony on the BluRay front adds more DRM to their format than anything before it. And Fox obviously chose to support BD for that, with nearly every new release they put out forcing everyone to update their players or not watch the movie at all. 
I myself am going to miss HD-DVD, because more of the movies I cared about seeing in HD were either not on BluRay, or not done right on BluRay. Not everyone wants to see the same freaking Disney movies or emoma--err, Spiderman 3 all over again.
If I could right now, my money would be going to invest in LG's dual-format player, so that I can at least still be able to enjoy watching movies from both formats until there are finally no more HD-DVD titles. And/or any dual-format reader drives that there may be on the market, so that if/when I buy a BluRay burner I can then at least rip the HD-DVD's and put them on BluRay (when their spec decides to finally catch up). | |
|
AnonProxy
Proxy of Anon
Premium
join:2001-05-12
ß | Ahhh the old you scratch my back I'll spank your bottom routine. | |
|
| 
QUICKSILV3R
Premium
join:2002-01-21
San Antonio, TX
clubs: | Re: Ahhh the old you scratch my back HD never had a chance. | |
|
|
| jc100
join:2002-04-10 | Re: About all that's left to say is Charge torpedo attack (Pearl Harbor???) | |
|
| 
e_dub
franknbeans
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-12
kickin ass
·Covad Communications
| said by Rick :突撃 雷撃 !!!! (The first BBR member to decipher that into it's more commonly used..well known phrase and then associate it with the event it was used most prominently in wins a thumbs up.  ) AltaVista.com translation -> "Charge torpedo attack" | |
|
| | jc100
join:2002-04-10 | Re: About all that's left to say is I posted that before you =). Altavista rocks | |
|
| | | |
| | | | 
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-01
IA
edit:
February 24th, @11:53AM
| Re: About all that's left to say is Tora Tora Tora?
Pearl Harbor? | |
|
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-01
IA | Re: About all that's left to say is He did provide more details. I believe thumbs up is in order  | |
|
| 
Bink63
Cubs NL Central Division Champs
Premium
join:2002-10-06
Everywhere
| said by Rick :突撃 雷撃 !!!! (The first BBR member to decipher that into it's more commonly used..well known phrase and then associate it with the event it was used most prominently in wins a thumbs up. ) Tora, Tora, Tora AKA: Tiger, Tiger, Tiger...
The code phrase used by Japanese Pilots to begin the attack on Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941. | |
|
m60521
join:2001-12-28
Hinsdale, IL
edit:
February 24th, @10:58AM
| Translation Strike like lightening
The Lightening War, or Blitzkrieg, a military level offensive. Similar to the "Shock and Awe" US attack on Iraq.
Using current technology in warfare to avoid a trench fight. | |
|
| 
Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: | Re: Translation Two hints..
1)The well known phrase was a code word.
2)Also a well known movie years ago
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
|
Realist
@vzunet.com
| Consumers Lost The ONLY reason Sony/ BD is coming out on top is because of the muscle thrown behind the Blu-Ray disc format. BD is not nearly as consumer friendly and FINISHED a spec as HD-DVD is. Despite the idiot comments made by Michael Bay, the only difference in picture quality lies in the mastering of the film.
Consumers are screwed, the choices are less, and it will be more expensive for some time to come. Prices of discs and hardware will come down very slowly, now. | |
|
| BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Re: Consumers Lost Which is why at this point , I won't be purchasing any blu-ray movies. I will still play the PS3 , but that is about my limit.
--
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
|
xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | When will media prices drop? It's still about $15 for a blank 25GB disc. Now that the war is over, how long before media prices drop? Does Sony have a royalty charge per media unit? | |
|
| cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA | Re: When will media prices drop? When the only other competitor bows out prices go up not down. | |
|
| |
dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| More spin Say whatever you want...
Payola(Got proof?)
Better specs
Consumers buying more Blu
HD DVD sucked
Choose one or all - bottom line is Blu-ray won.
We tried to tell ya.
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
|
|
See 6 replies to this post |
|
Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA | So, ummm... Isn't winning the HD movie hard copy retail format war kinda like winning the steam transportation format war? Think about it for a second. | |
|
|
dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
edit:
February 24th, @02:42PM
| Re: So, ummm... said by Combat Chuck :Isn't winning the HD movie hard copy retail format war kinda like winning the steam transportation format war? Think about it for a second. Not really. HD discs are the best source for HD video.
HD DVD and Blu-ray were the best two sources for feeding one's New big ass HDTV.
BD has always had the edge in performance though.
Now that this silly format war is over, *ALL* CE mfgrs can ramp up player production(lower prices).
Studios can also start producing more/better transfers that take advantage of BD's capacity and read rates.
The consumer wins!
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
|
| |
Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: So, ummm... said by dadkins :Not really. HD discs are the best source for HD video. Why sell a Blu-ray disk with your movie on it when you can sell the movie on it's own for the same price and not have to pay for the disk. It's just now the analogy is Sony and minidisk instead of betamax. | |
|
| | | |
| | | |
Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA | Re: So, ummm... said by dadkins :Downloads are not a threat to HDM. We shall see won't we. | |
|
MyDogHsFleas
Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest
| Must be a slow news day The chip plant deal was done, and reported on, months ago. It has nothing to do with HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray.
Is there an emoticon for "shaking head, wondering why had to waste time reading this lame news article then trying to regulate with this post"? | |
|
|
dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Must be a slow news day said by MyDogHsFleas :The chip plant deal was done, and reported on, months ago. It has nothing to do with HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. SHHHHH!!!!
You're killing off the conspiracy!
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
|
flyingjoey
join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ
·Verizon FIOS
|  So now what?
So when should I expect to see BluRay players under $99 dollars at target?
There's 1 format, Well 2... everyone seems to be forgetting about Versatile DVD which uses a red laser light instead of a blue one, and offers gigs and gigs of storage? | |
|
|
pepperxn
join:2001-02-21
| chips This deal was gonna happen no matter what happened with HD DVD/Blu-ray.
Toshiba makes chips more efficiently than Sony. With Toshiba making the chips for the PS3, we could expect lower costs for the PS3 (eventually). With the move to 65nm (and 45nm next year), and cutting number of components on the PS3 motherboard, we'll start to see more affordable PS3s.
Blu-ray had the advantage from the start, more companies building the players. | |
|
BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11 | To hell with Get back to me when there is a Blu-Ray PC burner for $30-35. And blank Blu-ray disks for .30-.50(preferably less) a piece. Until then I couldn't care less. | |
|
| dbamber
join:2003-02-07
Payson, AZ
| Re: To hell with All of you people that are pissed off because HD-DVD lost really need to look at the big picture. I followed this "war" here, on hi-def forums, and appleinsider for more than a year. Early last month it became clear to ME that Blu-ray would win this war, and I chose to go Blu. Just after that came WB's decision. All of You can spout off about the superior format, cheaper players,ect. In the end BR had more studios, and far more sales of discs, worldwide. Sony including a BR player in it's PS3 was probably the deciding factor. Whatever, it is over, and saying that you'll never go blu, or whatever is just plain fubar. I had bought a laserdisc player over a dozen years ago, and when it was replaced by DVD, I didn't go off skulking over the fact that my chosen format had lost. I got over it, and bought a DVD changer, and was satisfied for over 10 years with my choice of format. | |
|
| |
Derspankster
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Marion, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: To hell with said by dbamber : Whatever, it is over, and saying that you'll never go blu, or whatever is just plain fubar. Guess it'll be up to ME if I buy a Blu Ray. It is my money after all.
--
I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong | |
|
| dbamber
join:2003-02-07
Payson, AZ | Yes it is your money, and the last thing I an=m going to do is to tell you how to spend it. | |
|
EUS
Kill cancer
Premium
join:2002-09-10
Montreal, QC
clubs:
edit:
February 25th, @11:35AM
| It's funny how the technology that "won" Is the one that is locked down. Hmm, I wonder why the studios back blu-ray?
--
~ Project Hope ~ | |
|
|
|
|
Toshiba Backs Up Sony
