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by Revcb 07:04PM Tuesday Jun 18 2013

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Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

LOL. you can die, quickly, from lack of food or sleep. You can't die if deprived of internet access.

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Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

"Specifically, the survey found that during a regular 24 hour day, 50 percent of people dedicate more time to the Internet than to food or sleep. Broken down further, a full 42 percent of men said Internet access and sex were more important than food or shelter.

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And they wonder what happened to the British empire
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Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

... and in the end, this is a survey of a matter of opinion.. I'd almost equate this question being asked getting the same response as asking men "What's more important, boobs, or working and earning a paycheck?" ... Boobs would be answered more by those thinking it's "cool" to answer that way.

What I think this study showed/exposed is that people are becoming more and more stupid as the ages pass... *sigh*
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For me the order is: Sleep, Internet, Food. I just HAVE TO have my 8 hours!

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I'm sorry, but my job requires Internet access. I'm sure quite a few jobs do.

I think it's just as important as food and sleep because it keeps information at my fingertips but maybe you're right. I should stay ignorant.
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Re: Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

said by ArrayList:

I'm sorry, but my job requires Internet access. I'm sure quite a few jobs do.

You are more likely able to acquire new job skill than a new non-food based metabolism.

I'm sure you DESIRE to maintain internet connected employment

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Re: Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

New job skills are just as important as the need to eat.

and food is not in short supply.

I desire it as much as I desire to eat. In fact, I can't eat if I don't work and my work requires Internet.
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said by ArrayList:

New job skills are just as important as the need to eat.

What? Wow.

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said by ArrayList:

New job skills are just as important as the need to eat.

LOL, tell that to the unemployed, who are still quite alive. They can go 99 weeks without "work skills". For some reason I am doubting they can go 99 weeks without food.

So no...on no planet is the Internet anywhere on any list with food and shelter in terms of importance.

This survey is simply evidence that people are seriously stupid Crayon eating fools; that or proof that crack does't smoke itself.
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said by skeechan:

This survey is simply evidence that people are seriously stupid Crayon eating fools; that or proof that crack does't smoke itself.

I loved the "finding" that 51% found that they had improved "friendship". These fools seem to "think" that because someone sends you a message on some social site, they are a "friend". Try calling them at 2 am and saying you need to be bailed out, or invite them over to help you move, or to paint your place. You'll find out just how good "friends" they are.
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Re: Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

Ok...Here's the official list:

1. Air / Cable TV (tie)
2. Internet access
3. Big screen tv
4. BMW
5. Tanning booth
6. 22 inch rims
7. Water
8. Food
10. Shelter

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No kidding. American's are beyond spoiled. I think that is the ultimate conclusion to be had from this survey.
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said by skeechan:

No kidding. American's are beyond spoiled. I think that is the ultimate conclusion to be had from this survey.

I think it's a European decent thing, this pole was of Brits.
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yes, spoiled with the strongest economy in the entire world. I couldn't agree more.
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You don't live with out food... you can still manage to stay alive with out a job.. ask the homeless. It's not the BEST way to survive.. but food is required on a daily basis. Sorry.. but your logic is flawed.

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Re: Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

And all of you can easily hunt to eat. Why not quit your jobs and go live like a cavemen?

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The Somalians have it all figured out.

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said by fiberguy:

You don't live with out food... you can still manage to stay alive with out a job.. ask the homeless. It's not the BEST way to survive.. but food is required on a daily basis. Sorry.. but your logic is flawed.

People can go for several weeks without food (especially fat, lazy Amerikans) with little ill effect. Without water, you'll most likely be dead in a week, but food? Much longer.
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Really? People can go for "several weeks" without food? ... care to give a citation? ... save ya that time.. you're dead wrong, but thank you for playing. I believe the answer is 7 days is about the point of failure. That topic was played to death during the Terri Shievo era..

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Re: Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

I guess your Google must be broken. Here's a decent link for starts, there are many more. PEOPLE CAN GO FOR WEEKS/MONTHS WITHOUT EATING.
Perhaps you should base you knowledge on more than one particular case. Thank YOU for playing.

»blogs.plos.org/obesitypanacea/20···r-water/
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Blogs.. I love 'em... I'll stick with my reference from earlier... something well discussed... and also my dr, today, who was standing right in front of me who happens to be a 35 year well decorated specialist. But... good for you.

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said by fiberguy:

Blogs.. I love 'em... I'll stick with my reference from earlier... something well discussed... and also my dr, today, who was standing right in front of me who happens to be a 35 year well decorated specialist. But... good for you.

Yes... it's always best to ignore facts in order to maintain a misguided belief. Hope your Google gets fixed soon, although I'm sure you won't use it. You already know everything.
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I don't consider the homeless as living. That's worse than death.
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"Internet access just as important as food and sleep, study finds"

It's all about the context.

How long can you cut off your air? Water? Food?

When I moved, I was without internet for about 2 weeks. I lived.

I do most of my non grocery shopping online, the local retail is often just not adequate. If not for models at the local hobby store and Avon from a a lady that visits me, I likely would spend more online than I do now.

Thus, it is very useful to me. vital? no. Useful? yes.

I was reflecting the other day on how it must be real easy to pass a driver's test when you consider how many retarded drivers you will experience in a single day.

But what would happen if they made the tests so much harder that you had to be so much more capable and responsible and deserving? Well the drop in the need of cars would hurt manufacturing, fewer cars driving means less gas being sold, also not good as far as sales of gas is concerned. And the obvious reduction in all that revenue based on milking motorists at every chance possible means a lot of money goes away

Yeah, it is not that your car is vital, nor your being licensed is important, but that we h ave grown into a society that can't live without the presence of some things as everyone is enjoying making cash off of it.

My life worked just fine before the internet.
I sometimes wish I could have that life back too.
But just me going offline, won't give me that word back. So telling me to just go offline, doesn't really give me the world back I remember.
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It should be noted, that of 6+ billion persons, how many do you think can recreate Ghandi and not die?

It should be noted, I went 2 weeks without internet, and no one has any reason to think my health was in any danger.

GIVE YOUR HEAD A FUCKING SHAKE, ANYTHING IN THERE AT ALL?

I could go all year 2014 off line, and there would be no reason to applaud. It simply wouldn't be special.

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Re: Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

said by Sukunai:

It should be noted, that of 6+ billion persons, how many do you think can recreate Ghandi and not die?

It should be noted, I went 2 weeks without internet, and no one has any reason to think my health was in any danger.

GIVE YOUR HEAD A FUCKING SHAKE, ANYTHING IN THERE AT ALL?

I could go all year 2014 off line, and there would be no reason to applaud. It simply wouldn't be special.

Sadly out of that 6+ billion in the world, many DO recreate Ghandi on a daily basis. Even the poorest of Amerikans are not very acquainted with real hunger. They have their foodstamps and soup kitchens and other safety nets. That's NOT the case in most of the world. If you have nothing to eat, you have nothing to eat period. We're very fortunate here though not appreciative at all of what we have.

For many years around the holidays, I fast for at least a week to honor the memory of someone very dear to me that voluntarily went without food for over two weeks so that others more frail than her could have her ration. She did that when she was in her 20's and lived well into her 90's. I donate the funds I don't spend on my food to those who are truly in need. During my fast, I work and carry on all my other normal functions. I am not bed ridden or at death's door lol.

You are NOWHERE as frail as you think you are, you are merely spoiled.
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Not going to refute that.

There is a reason I NEVER give to beggars in the street (here in Canada), why should I need to?

Last time I checked, so many hate on our socialism for one moronic reason or another. Fact is, there is NO reason to be sitting on one of our streets homeless and hungry unless your simply too fucking stubborn, too mindlessly uncooperative and totally unwilling to do as you are told (in order to avoid being on the street and hungry.

I don't LIKE the rules of the system, but, it sure beats being cold hungry and on the street eh.

There isn't ANYWHERE in Canada that compares with places on this planet where people are not eating because they CAN'T.

There isn't a single poor person in this country that can truly whine about shitty infrastructure and get me to care. Last I checked, I was not being forced to live in this specific spot. I CAN just go somewhere else. There are no 'dangerous' places in Canada where people are routinely kidnapped by rebels or bandits. No warlords and no insurgents.

Damn right it is soft here, and it's even softer than the much ballyhooed USA which while surprising to some Americans I suppose, is more free than it is in the USA. Their nukes are not protecting them from the excesses of their own government.

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said by Sukunai:

Not going to refute that.

There is a reason I NEVER give to beggars in the street (here in Canada), why should I need to?

Last time I checked, so many hate on our socialism for one moronic reason or another. Fact is, there is NO reason to be sitting on one of our streets homeless and hungry unless your simply too fucking stubborn, too mindlessly uncooperative and totally unwilling to do as you are told (in order to avoid being on the street and hungry.

I don't LIKE the rules of the system, but, it sure beats being cold hungry and on the street eh.

Unless you are one of the fortunate people who manage to evade paying any taxes, you already DO give, a considerable amount. Most that you see living and begging on the streets are hopeless addicts (alcohol, crack, heroin, choose your poison) who refuse to do anything but maintain their addiction. I suppose that is their choice, but I see no reason to finance it either. They are there by choice.

Fear not though, much of the money you "donate" actually does help people in need and actually gives many the opportunity to rise out of poverty. Although there is a lot of waste and theft, it's not all wasted or stolen. People in North America are indeed very fortunate. They are really not acquainted with hunger at all.

For those looking for someone to blame for the waste and theft, instead of focusing on the recipients, some of who steal pennies, perhaps you should look at those that administer things, who walk away with millions. The poor get beaten enough.
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I am a defacto ward of the state in a financial sense. I haven't had the pleasure of earning a damned cent since 94. My personal pride hasn't been seen in decades.

The best I can accomplish, with the money I am given to survive on, is at least spend it in a way that does someone some use I suppose.

I support local businesses by spending my dollars in their stores. Call it what you will, I try to funnel the money back into the hands of people that at least earn it.

I don't donate to cancer research for instance, no really, why bother, we have already discovered cures, the industry doesn't want them though, especially when there is no profit in them. All that research money is just paying the salaries of researchers, and the industry as a whole built up around 'finding a cure'.

I don't support charities unless I can SEE the money being useful. I drop coin in the Sally Ann pot, I KNOW they use it intelligently. The Red Cross can suck on my arse though. I will drop coin in the pot for the local army cadets, but you can forget Christian charities that really don't understand how to actually fix problems.

I sure don't mind buying from local businesses as I know, business is often not an easy thing. I try to spend in local as opposed to big box locations.

I hate faceless corporations that just ain't interested in me personally, just my money.

My ISP is a small guy operation. You can get good service for a good price if you actually look properly. There's no way I can justify supporting Bell or Rogers though. I turfed cable and gladly, because Netflix is a good use of 8 bucks. You can make good use of the net if you try. I am only paying 99 cents a month for my phone service. Less than a dollar a month, that's not easy to beat eh. I don't have a cell phone and don't want one. It seems every doofus has one though. I often wonder if people are really merely spending their money stupidly. I've seen people that clearly don't eat as well as me, and yet they can afford cell phone service. It isn't free to use the things.

Most of what I own or enjoy for services, is because I spend my money a lot smarter than most people.

The internet, it's not vital for life, but, it is also not impossible to get, you just might need to master discipline and superior prioritizing skills.
I don't own a car, but, I have t-bone steaks in my fridge. I think being forced to walk is a small price to pay to get to eat t-bone steaks when they are on sale. Yeah some days it takes me a long time to walk to some places in town, and I am limited to being stuck in town with no way to travel. The trick is in learning how to not need to leave town.

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Re:Internet access just as important as food and sleep

The "economic downturn" aka the Greatest Depression has hurt a lot of people. I see former Engineers, and other professional, well educated and highly trained people on food pantry lines. It seems the only jobs left are corporate scammers trying to bleed the last pennies from a population that gets poorer and poorer and civil servants that leach off society, doing as little as possible for the highest compensation. It's amusing sometimes watching them, thinking that their bubble will never break. They never consider the fact that as the nation gets poorer, the less able and the less willing it will be to support them.

I find myself at this point in my life in diminishing health, living in the 9th most violent crime ridden city (per capita) in the U.S. and suddenly, I've gotten old. While I used to travel the country, and the world to consult for various governmental entities and the big Fortune 500 companies, I find I no longer have the patience for dealing with them. I've shifted my focus to small, local companies; places that are actually trying to accomplish something, growing their business by doing right by their customers. I'm just tired of people who want things to "look good" instead of actually "BE good". The days of the mega-corp are coming to an end anyway, the last either in process of dieing off or completing their exodus from the U.S. like rats from a sinking ship. This country is just not going to be able to afford the waste, the excesses, the corruption that they bring for very much longer anyway.

Living in the troubled city I live in, I find I spend a lot of time looking for people. I ferret out those in the system and elsewhere with the actual desire and ability to help people, and those that have the potential and drive to get somewhere with just a little help, and then make it my business to put them together. I match up people with skills with other people needing those skills. I play matchmaker, mentor, advisor, advocate, sounding board and sometimes it feels like Mommy in order to give people a chance to move up and out of this God forsaken place. I just wish there where more who weren't content with the wasted existence they call a life here.

I too support my local businesses. Maybe prices are a few pennies higher, but when I walk inside, I'm greeted with "How are you my friend?" and he means it. He came to this country 10 years ago and worked like a dog to save the money to open his own little bake shop. He works like a dog now, from before sunrise to after sunset to give his kids a better life. Yeah... seeing the smiles on those kids faces is much better than saving a few pennies making Wally World richer. The story is the same in most of the small businesses around here. Families working hard together to make a better life. How can one NOT support that? I remember getting lunch one day at a local deli. He swiped my debit card only to discover his phone line was down. Without a second of hesitation, he handed me my card and the register receipt and said "Pay me next time". He didn't write anything down, didn't even ask my name. He knew my face and that was good enough. Think Wally World would ever do that?

My friend, I don't know your circumstances, but there's no reason for you to not have pride in yourself. You're obviously an intelligent and thoughtful person who has learned to adapt to a difficult situation. You've learned self discipline and numerous management skills as well as how to navigate your way through the bizarro world called government. If you're not happy with where you are now, change it. You're bright enough to do that, just think outside the box. You have skills and talents. Find a way to monotanize them. It's there, you just haven't thought of it yet.
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Can I change my health, unlikely, and that is key to my situation.

But I know this much, my brother who is very well off work wise and income wise as well as enjoying the benefits of a wife that is equally good at generating income for their 4 sons, two of which couldn't keep their dna under control sufficiently to avoid unplanned fatherhood and all that that entails, live in a very nice home, that is mortgaged to hell and gone, all because they wanted a better place than the previous place. And while his work has some nice paid experiences such as how he's coming home from Vegas to report on a golf course he enjoyed nearby, the truth is, I likely enjoy better performing internet than he does, and the roof over my head, while not mine, is also not my problem to repair either.

He has things I don't have and likely will never have, but, in the scheme of things, how valuable is what he has really? So I don't own a home, big deal. I've seen how hard it is to be a home owner. And for what? The choice of how to use the structure?

I must say though, every time I hear the word 'depression' it pisses me off. Being that I am an expert on 20th century history (yes I mean expert by the way) and considering I lived through more than half of it too, and that I recall the real great depression and I saw the effects of that very real depression in my father's behaviour (seeing as he went through it), I know that the current economic circumstances have utterly nothing to do with a depression, a real one.
My father never really understood the point of 'going out to lunch' for the simple act of indulgence. He grew up hungry. He knew what it was like to have nothing. And know there was nothing to be had in a lot of cases. No store available to go to to begin with.

I'm sitting in a room with shitloads of hobby related 'stuff'. I am poor officially and technically, but not genuinely. Society calls me poor, the economists tell me I am poor. A bank refuses to give me even the most dismal mortgage on even the crappiest of starter homes all because "I don't make enough money". The thing is, I am paying more in a month for rent, than a typical mortgage payment on a decent house. I say I make enough money. But society is used to the bullshit it is force fed.

Maybe in the US things actually are bad, they are NOT bad in Canada, but then again, our banks are not allowed to operate the way they can in the USA. During the great melt down down in the USA, business as usual was the case in Canada. We are still building new homes all over the place in Canada. Our people still have money. I am not saying everyone is loaded, but, there is no such depression in Canada.

If things are rough in Greece, so what, if Japan is feeling the pinch, so what, if Europe is not doing well, so what. Maybe they should actually examine their policies and their practices and stop doing it wrong.

I don't think everything my government does is great, in fact, I'd like to drop the current government in the north Atlantic. But there sure are a lot of reasons up here, for why I have no interest in how anything down in the USA is done.