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by Revcb 07:37PM Tuesday Oct 05 2010

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FFH
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RE: Should ISPs cut off bot-infected users?

After making a good faith effort to assist the customer in cleaning their system 1st; then failure to do so should result in the customer being disconnected from the internet.

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Re: RE: Should ISPs cut off bot-infected users?

I think a simple report from an ISP stating your computer is infected is more than enough, and that users have to comply to fix their system by the next billing cycle or risk being cut off from the service prematurely until the issue does get fixed.

There are plenty of computer shops around, and plenty of nerds who will do favors to have a computer cleaned up. A ISP simply needs to provide access to the internet, and protect their network for external and internal threats and provide QOS across the board, not be policing who is and who isn't allowed on their networks.

FFH
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RE: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

I don't think internet voting should happen at all. The internet is too wide open to hacking to prevent massive fraud by both political parties or even foreign governments.

Of course, I don't think we should have vote by mail either. I think that you should have to vote in person and PROVE who you are with photo ID before being allowed to vote.
ISurfTooMuch

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Re: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

I have no problem with having to show photo ID, provided:

1. There are no fees associated with obtaining the ID, since this would be a document needed to exercise one's right to vote, and you can't charge for that, and
2. There must be some provision to issue an ID to someone if they can't produce a birth certificate. The reason is that, believe it or not, not everyone has one on file, or they have been lost. When my mom, who was in her 80s, died a few years ago, we tried to get a copy for family records, but the state's vital records department couldn't locate it. There has to be some simple provision to fix problems like that.
fiberguy
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Re: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

said by ISurfTooMuch:

I have no problem with having to show photo ID, provided:
I'm in TOTAL disagreement - sorry..

1. There are no fees associated with obtaining the ID, since this would be a document needed to exercise one's right to vote, and you can't charge for that, and
TOTALLY disagree on this one. There isn't many areas in life where you can get along with out an ID. This is a BASIC NECESSITY in life - an I.D. that is.. and EVERYONE should be getting out and getting one.

I have a question for you.. how do you feel about a guy standing in front of a news camera saying "I can't vote because I can't afford an ID" who is standing there with a pair of Nikes laced up on his feet? (Just one example)

An ID costs about $10 every 4 years which is $2.50 a year. If someone's life is THAT bad that they can't find about $3 a year then we have SERIOUS problems.

2. There must be some provision to issue an ID to someone if they can't produce a birth certificate. The reason is that, believe it or not, not everyone has one on file, or they have been lost. When my mom, who was in her 80s, died a few years ago, we tried to get a copy for family records, but the state's vital records department couldn't locate it. There has to be some simple provision to fix problems like that.
There is... it's called the court system, 2 witnesses, and a court order. If one can't afford to go to the courts and petition them for their identity, the courts have a filing fee waiver provision. People who don't know this certainly aren't smart enough to ask what they need to do in order to get their I.D. in the first place.

Dems often use the ID as an excuse as for why people are unable to vote.. in my view, and yes I feel strong about this, if people can't muster of the effort to simply ask a question and weed their way through getting an ID, then that's not a person I want voting in elections.. and yes, I will go there, but that vote is likely going to some politician whom would much rather that person remain "dependent" on government because that's job security (and vote security) for one certain party in America..

If people aren't wiling to live with in the system and get with the basic requirements of living in this country (ie: getting a photo ID) then please ask yourself why millions of other Americans are going to care if this group is able to cast a vote or not.. yes, it's harsh, but I can guarantee you that this is the way millions of people in this country feel.

An I.D. isn't hard to get... It just gets old listening to the people out there making excuses for those who won't take personal responsibility in life.

So long as I paid a fee to get an ID, so can others.. and for the record, I got my first 2 I.D. in my life time when I was well with in the poverty level.. Some people also like to tie the color of one's skin to their ability to get an I.D. as well..

I dunno.. I just hear way too many excuses as to why people lose elections, and the I.D. is a major one, often pulled by the dems.

What does this country need to do? .. take a page out of a 3rd world country, Iran, and dip people's fingers in ink on election day? .. if so, its really a sad day in American history..
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Re: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

I have to disagree. I do agree that everyone should have an ID, but there is no legal requirement to do so. Now, if you're going to require it to vote, then it becomes a legal requirement to do something that is a basic right in this country, and you simply can't charge for that. We've already covered this back in the '60s when poll taxes were outlawed.

And, having worked in social services, I can tell you that there really are people who are so poor that they can't afford an ID, or, at the very least, it would put a huge financial strain on them. And no, they weren't wearing expensive sneakers. The thing is, I wouldn't have believed this kind of poverty existed, but it does exist, and I have seen it first-hand. It's invisible unless you know where to look, but once you do know, you can spot it. Most of them have mental disabilities and/or are mentally ill, and, while they do get Social Security disability payments, these are eaten up by rent, utilities, and food. We could certainly have a discussion on whether these folks have the mental capacity to make informed votes, the fact is that they aren't legally varred from voting, so placing a financial burden on them so that they can exercise their basic rights is not fair.
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Re: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

Not a bad conversation, but you also left something out..

Many areas DO require a photo ID to vote already.

But that's not my main point.. it's that if we can subsidize a phone line for people to make calls, if we can give out food stamps for people to eat, if we can give out section 8 for housing, and on and on it goes, then maybe the government can eat the cost of a photo ID for those people on govt' assistance.. I really don't see what the issue is here. (I really do, I'm just being tongue in cheek here, because the answer to my question is simple.. law makers are complete retarts.)

But, you're also talking about one extreme in your post and I'm talking about the other. The sad thing is that the extreme in which I talk about describes THE worst people that live in America.. those who are lazy, dishonest, and game the system taking money out of the pockets of very hard working Americans.. and some of those pockets which are picked by government to pay for other people's dishonesty and laziness, as you should know, can barely afford to afford the lifestyle and pay their own basic ways. The taxes they wind up paying becomes the difference of THEM affording the Nikes in which I speak of.
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Re: RE: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

I support using the internet for voting when done correctly. Not on personal computers mind you, but correctly regulated voting machines using open source systems that produce records that can be tracked. What I would want to see is something like this:

1. Voting machines are built on an open source platform so coding errors can be made public, picked up and resolved in an open manner. These machines would connect to the servers (also running an open source platform for the same reasons) using a secure connection and would record every vote as it is cast.

2. When a ballot is filled in on the computer users would be able to review what they cast, and then a printed copy including a vote ID (a unique ID that is used to store the entry in the database, not tied to that particular voter) so the printed record could be compared to the computer record. An additional copy of the vote ID will be printed or at least provided to the voter in case they want to confirm that the system is showing their vote correctly.

3. Votes (including vote IDs) will be made publicly available on a website so voters can confirm that their voter ID indicates that they voted for the right candidates. In addition queries will be made possible so vote totals can be confirmed by outside sources.

If errors are noticed in any of these systems paper records exist that can then be referenced to confirm that these votes are legitimate. If a hack is performed despite security measures (encryption keys unique to each machine, IP address locking, giving each machine only a certain number of predetermined vote IDs, etc) a paper audit could still be performed to ensure that a proper tally can be performed.
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Well, how, exactly, would have the military vote when in a foreign country, or in a jurisdiction stateside away from their residence of record?

Having spent several years in the military, I can tell you that it is difficult to have in person voting in such exotic locals as Incirlik Turkey. Are you saying that the military personnel forfeit their right to vote because they are overseas?

As for those state side, establishing a residence every time one moves is also a pain, given how often the military has to move (I averaged a move every 2.5 to 3 years. Establishing a new residence after a move would involve getting a new driver's license and new license plates for a vehicle. These are some of the reasons that "Soldiers and Sailor Civil Relief Act" was passed by the U.S. Congress many years ago.

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Re: RE: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

said by Austinloop:

Well, how, exactly, would have the military vote when in a foreign country, or in a jurisdiction stateside away from their residence of record?
Many countries deal with this issue(including recently several South American countries that had their citizens in the US vote at consulates). They either send voting machines or set up voting booths at their consulates and other locations in foreign countries. The US could easily set up voting mechanisms at US bases(here or overseas) to deal with the issue.
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Re: RE: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

I believe that you overlook the complexity of U.S. voting. For example, one has federal elections, state elections, and local elections. You are expecting the military to take the time and spend the money to have a voting machine set up in any number of bases for the city council elections in Austin, Tx? Really?

Perhaps you don't understand the procedure for absentee ballots in the military. One receives the ballot in the mail, and then takes said ballot and an affidavit (received with the ballot) to a commissioned officer who certifies that the person voting the ballot is the person the ballot is sent to and that the person has voted the ballot and placed in an envelope, and sealed in the officer's presence. (at least that was the procedure when I was in the military).

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Re: RE: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

said by Austinloop:

I believe that you overlook the complexity of U.S. voting. For example, one has federal elections, state elections, and local elections. You are expecting the military to take the time and spend the money to have a voting machine set up in any number of bases for the city council elections in Austin, Tx? Really?

Perhaps you don't understand the procedure for absentee ballots in the military. One receives the ballot in the mail, and then takes said ballot and an affidavit (received with the ballot) to a commissioned officer who certifies that the person voting the ballot is the person the ballot is sent to and that the person has voted the ballot and placed in an envelope, and sealed in the officer's presence. (at least that was the procedure when I was in the military).
Then the procedure you describe is voting in person with the officer acting as the poll worker. That is not the same as the regular absentee ballot by mail where no one verifies that the mailed in ballot was voted by the registered voter.
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Re: RE: Wash. DC Pulls Down Internet Voting Trial After Hackers

Not really, the ballot is still marked absentee. Further, I could really care less about regular absentee balloting. I was addressing the problems with the methods that you laid out for the military.

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RE: Verizon's Wireless Fivespot Mobile Hotspot Gets Official

Verizon prices too high and caps too low while abroad. But why can't you buy a sim in whatever country you are in and buy a local plan at much lower cost?

»www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-zte-laun···9825.htm
the Fivespot, which is a global 3G mobile hotspot that allows customers to connect up to five WiFi-enabled devices to a cellular connection, according to a Fierce Wireless report.

The Fivespot comes with a pre-installed SIM card and provides global data services in more than 200 countries when customers subscribe to Verizon GlobalAccess.
Gami00

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Re: RE: Verizon's Wireless Fivespot Mobile Hotspot Gets Official

because the verizon phone would be locked down to verizon only?

so you couldn't use any other sim ever until it is unlocked..

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RE: Internet Explorer use plummets

Research published by Statcounter indicates that the Vole's once ubiquitous web browser, what we like to fondly call Internet Exploder, has taken a massive tumble. The findings suggest that web surfers' use of Microsoft's flagship browser has dropped to 49.87 per cent.
Don't believe EVERYTHING you read:

»www.downloadsquad.com/2010/10/05···-shares/
every single source of Web browser statistics, and thus every graph, is different. In true tabloid, Fox News style, just pick a data set that suits your editorial style and roll with it -- who cares whether it's news or not?
Of course you can see all the various sources averaged out here:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_shar···ry_table

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Re: RE: Internet Explorer use plummets

In related news, Microsoft's Internet Explorer to get a new name... most likely because we know how it works.. when a turd no longer shines, it shines once again when it receives a new name for that old turd.

I'm not saying anyone has said IE is getting a new name, but I wouldn't be surprised if MS eventually puts a new name on it, over and over, such as MSN, Live, now Bing... etc.

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Re: RE: Internet Explorer use plummets

said by fiberguy:

In related news, Microsoft's Internet Explorer to get a new name... most likely because we know how it works.. when a turd no longer shines, it shines once again when it receives a new name for that old turd.

I'm not saying anyone has said IE is getting a new name, but I wouldn't be surprised if MS eventually puts a new name on it, over and over, such as MSN, Live, now Bing... etc.
I love how people who don't even use a product can comment on how much it sucks or not.
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Re: RE: Internet Explorer use plummets

said by 88615298:

said by fiberguy:

In related news, Microsoft's Internet Explorer to get a new name... most likely because we know how it works.. when a turd no longer shines, it shines once again when it receives a new name for that old turd.

I'm not saying anyone has said IE is getting a new name, but I wouldn't be surprised if MS eventually puts a new name on it, over and over, such as MSN, Live, now Bing... etc.
I love how people who don't even use a product can comment on how much it sucks or not.
... is that green or brown you're smokin'?

You replied to MY post and insinuate that I am not using a product. You also QUOTED my ENTIRE POST and in that post of mine, where did I ONCE say I didn't use any of the products?

Huh??

Or are you just trolling and flaming?

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Internet Explorer 9 beta which is what I am currently using is extremely faster than IE8 and with less bloat, the browser has advanced features built in and they been improving on being compliant since IE7, and I am quite happy with it especially since I don't need to update another third party application and the updates just come directly from Windows Update.

What I think needs a improvement is Windows Live and Bing.

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Re: RE: Internet Explorer use plummets

said by michieru:

Internet Explorer 9 beta which is what I am currently using is extremely faster than IE8 and with less bloat, the browser has advanced features built in and they been improving on being compliant since IE7, and I am quite happy with it especially since I don't need to update another third party application and the updates just come directly from Windows Update.

What I think needs a improvement is Windows Live and Bing.
Did they finally give it a download manager, or can you STILL not pause and resume downloads.

In reference to the AOL article: AOL's not dead yet?
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Bit Torrent is my DVR.

michieru
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Re: RE: Internet Explorer use plummets

Yes it does, it might have sometimes problems with .exe files but everything else opens up just fine and I pause and resume downloads, but the download manager could of been better.

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In reference to the Fox News comment:

Insert any news agency in there and it will be accurate. I just love it when one entity is picked on because the other side is losing. Shows the bias of downloadsquad.com and its writer and the fact they aren't real news either. Or so as they allude to Fox not being real news.
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bot infected users

the question then becomes ...was the person doing it as an experiment and doing something legal OR are they infected with a virus. YOU see all them terms a service you just can't play with the net no more.

and in reflection of the last ten years when you add a billion uneducated onto it with little to no training OR let people that are just plain stupid you get issues like zombie bots.

it should not be the role of govt to protect twits and idiots from whatever. IF anyhting a capitalist society should weed them out of the gene pool.....