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by Revcb 07:05AM Tuesday Mar 13 2012

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re:Which Countries Top the List of 'Enemies of the Internet?

And the US is not on the list as many would claim. But Austalia & France have made the watch list.

The list includes 12 “Internet Enemies” and 14 “countries under surveillance.” Two countries, Bahrain and Belarus, have been moved from the “under surveillance” category into “Internet Enemies.” Over the last year, Bahrain restricted Internet access during protests and Belarus placed limitations on visiting foreign websites. The other 10 countries on the Internet Enemies list are Burma, China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Vietnam. The 14 under surveillance are Australia, Egypt, Eritrea, France, India, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Russia, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates.
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Re: re:Which Countries Top the List of 'Enemies of the Internet?

said by FFH:

And the US is not on the list as many would claim.

It's not that the U.S. Govt. hasn't been trying.
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Re: re:Which Countries Top the List of 'Enemies of the Internet?

said by Goldman:

said by FFH:

And the US is not on the list as many would claim.

It's not that the U.S. Govt. hasn't been trying.

I guess it is a matter of who you ask when it comes to determining 'enemies'.

Censorship is black and white, you are either censoring, or you are not.

Granted, I'd rather be denied the right to download, than the right to breathe given a choice.

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The US would have been put on the "enemies" list, but ICE and DoJ threatened to seize the servers if they "leaked" that info.
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said by FFH:

And the US is not on the list as many would claim.

Coming soon, the US wants to be #1 at something...
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Mozilla CEO: Don't Understand The Internet? Get Out Of Gov.

I could also suggest directing this at Hollywood.

If you can't understand the internet, and understand WHY no one in consumer land truly gives a shit about your beef with downloading, then they also should get out of show business.

Said it elsewhere, will say it again. Hollywood, I have made my choice, I have decided I simply won't be watching your films your way ever again.

They have made TVs so much bigger than when I was a kid, and now we have Netflix, theatres are simply not all that vital anymore.

I liked Avatar on the big screen, but that film was a fluke. 95% of your offerings look just fine on my 40 inch Sony TV.

The internet is simply too much a part of life. Learn it or leave it. Do it right, or suffer.

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Re: Mozilla CEO: Don't Understand The Internet? Get Out Of Gov.

said by Sukunai:

I could also suggest directing this at Hollywood.

If you can't understand the internet, and understand WHY no one in consumer land truly gives a shit about your beef with downloading, then they also should get out of show business.

Said it elsewhere, will say it again. Hollywood, I have made my choice, I have decided I simply won't be watching your films your way ever again.

They have made TVs so much bigger than when I was a kid, and now we have Netflix, theatres are simply not all that vital anymore.

I liked Avatar on the big screen, but that film was a fluke. 95% of your offerings look just fine on my 40 inch Sony TV.

The internet is simply too much a part of life. Learn it or leave it. Do it right, or suffer.

What is "do it right"? Most of the time within 5 months of a movie's theatrical release it's available on PPV for $6 in HD. That's cheaper than a movie ticket and you're not paying $10 for 1 popcorn and 1 drink. So what specifically are you looking for them to do?
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said by 88615298:

said by Sukunai:

I could also suggest directing this at Hollywood.

If you can't understand the internet, and understand WHY no one in consumer land truly gives a shit about your beef with downloading, then they also should get out of show business.

Said it elsewhere, will say it again. Hollywood, I have made my choice, I have decided I simply won't be watching your films your way ever again.

They have made TVs so much bigger than when I was a kid, and now we have Netflix, theatres are simply not all that vital anymore.

I liked Avatar on the big screen, but that film was a fluke. 95% of your offerings look just fine on my 40 inch Sony TV.

The internet is simply too much a part of life. Learn it or leave it. Do it right, or suffer.

What is "do it right"? Most of the time within 5 months of a movie's theatrical release it's available on PPV for $6 in HD. That's cheaper than a movie ticket and you're not paying $10 for 1 popcorn and 1 drink. So what specifically are you looking for them to do?

Seeing as you asked.

"So what specifically are you looking for them to do?"

I want them to understand the world doesn't even need storage media. We don't need vhs, cd, dvd or blueray releases. They are ok, but we don't need them. Games don't need them yet some refuse to accept that a digital download can be just fine. And so too does Hollywood seem unable to accept, that we no longer need their forced price tag based physical media sales.

They can rant, but, there is no longer a need for a 20 or 30 something disk in a disk case. The film is not worth 20 or 30 something any longer. We have options and we expect to use them.

I'd be ok paying the equal of a few bucks for a digitally sold file. A complete file, a permanent file, one I could watch again if I wanted to later.

But the thing is, even with massive hard drives measured in TBs now, with services like Netflix, I have no need to buy the film at all.

I can with Netflix, watch video all day every day the whole month and never pay more than the base monthly fee. So the fact is, the market changed.

The new reality is all Hollywood can do, is make a film and release it to the current method of delivery and hope for the best, which is all they could ever do in theatres eh.

I'd be ok with a Netflix that was a dual service, one for stuff older than a year, and a bonus option for a bonus price to watch new stuff.

And I'd like them to realize, some of us won't pirate and some of us will never pay.
I'd like them to focus on those that will pay, and I'd like to get them to stop paying lead actors f**king insane sums to act. Maybe if they were not paying millions and millions to make a film, they'd have less trouble making millions making them.

If government actually understood both the internet and the market place, maybe they would have told Hollywood to stfu and get it together a long time ago too.

I am not going to the theatre any more (well if my friends want to pay for me that's their business). I am not paying too much for a film and I am not paying for the theatres outrageous munchies (even if they only do it because Hollywood steals all the ticket sales). I am also not paying for idiotic priced physical copies.

It's either Netflix, or I read a book.

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Re: Mozilla CEO: Don't Understand The Internet? Get Out Of Gov.

said by Sukunai:

Seeing as you asked.

"So what specifically are you looking for them to do?"

I want them to understand the world doesn't even need storage media. We don't need vhs, cd, dvd or blueray releases. They are ok, but we don't need them. Games don't need them yet some refuse to accept that a digital download can be just fine. And so too does Hollywood seem unable to accept, that we no longer need their forced price tag based physical media sales.

So my friend that lives where he can't get broadband how is he supposed to enjoy this content?

I'd like them to focus on those that will pay, and I'd like to get them to stop paying lead actors f**king insane sums to act. Maybe if they were not paying millions and millions to make a film, they'd have less trouble making millions making them.

Actor pay is really a small % of a movies total cost. Actor salaries aren't any more outrageous to what sports stars( and even benchwarmers ) get paid. Do you realize that the 25th guy on a MLB team that never plays gets at least $400k a year? $400K for riding the pine. What a nice gig.

If government actually understood both the internet and the market place, maybe they would have told Hollywood to stfu and get it together a long time ago too.

what do you expect the government to do?

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Re: Mozilla CEO: Don't Understand The Internet? Get Out Of Gov.

said by 88615298:

So my friend that lives where he can't get broadband how is he supposed to enjoy this content?

Seriously? There's still physical media, or he could even download it somewhere else (Like to a Flash drive) and simply transfer it to his place.

His choice, that's the point.
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said by Sukunai:

I want them to understand the world doesn't even need storage media. We don't need vhs, cd, dvd or blueray releases. They are ok, but we don't need them. Games don't need them yet some refuse to accept that a digital download can be just fine. And so too does Hollywood seem unable to accept, that we no longer need their forced price tag based physical media sales.

Many people live in areas where they can't get fast broadband internet service. Not to mention that ISPs are increasingly trying to choke off large downloads by instituting monthly usage caps. Both of which make going (storage) media-less impractical.

As for games, if a company is only going to provide games as digital downloads, I'd better be able to save the installer so that I don't have to re-download the game. However I won't 'buy' any game that requires remote activation to be able to play it. Call me crazy, but I don't like the idea of my software having a leash attached.

said by Sukunai:

But the thing is, even with massive hard drives measured in TBs now, with services like Netflix, I have no need to buy the film at all.

I can with Netflix, watch video all day every day the whole month and never pay more than the base monthly fee. So the fact is, the market changed.

And the same videos will always be available in case you want to watch them again some day?

Maybe later today you can watch some episodes of Dexter & Californication...

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Re: Mozilla CEO: Don't Understand The Internet? Get Out Of Gov.

said by Rekrul:

As for games, if a company is only going to provide games as digital downloads, I'd better be able to save the installer so that I don't have to re-download the game. However I won't 'buy' any game that requires remote activation to be able to play it. Call me crazy, but I don't like the idea of my software having a leash attached.

Unfortunately, they pretty much all do this now. The software industry is way ahead of the film industry in not caring if you buy the disc or download the game--- but either way they lash you to the hip with a restrictive licensing authetication "Must be online to login" type model.

Only way to get around this is to "hack" the game to remove it, and that's also part of the reason most games have "online" content (such as a server you must be in communication with to play) or other multiplayer features that makes a "hacked" version a stripped down useless version.

The new model actually makes it a lot harder for people who can't get decent broadband to enjoy gaming.
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said by KrK:

Unfortunately, they pretty much all do this now. The software industry is way ahead of the film industry in not caring if you buy the disc or download the game--- but either way they lash you to the hip with a restrictive licensing authetication "Must be online to login" type model.

And they can take their crippled games and shove 'em.

said by KrK:

Only way to get around this is to "hack" the game to remove it, and that's also part of the reason most games have "online" content (such as a server you must be in communication with to play) or other multiplayer features that makes a "hacked" version a stripped down useless version.

I usually prefer to play the single-player game anyway.

said by KrK:

The new model actually makes it a lot harder for people who can't get decent broadband to enjoy gaming.

Not to mention preserving the games for the future. Most of my old Atari games still work. I can install and play Windows games from the 90s. Yet, try to legally install & play one of today's games a few years down the road after the company has dropped support for it.

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Re: Mozilla CEO: Don't Understand The Internet? Get Out Of Gov.

Yep. You see these days you don't own the game, merely license it, and the small print clearly states they can drop support for it at any time.

If you don't like it, they say, too bad, don't install it.
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I sympathise for people living in a technological backwater.

Really I do. But the last time I checked, there was no one forcing people to live where they live anywhere in Canada or the US.

As for the government, I'd settle for them A stop whoring their parties out to Hollywood for campaign donations, and B leave law making to law makers.

I don't like Steam, I hate that I can't play my Civilization V game offline for some reason. But, I have to admit, I only play it at home, and my friend's place both locations both online, and I might have tried to play it twice at my mother to no success. Oh bummer I had to play one of countless other games at that particular moment.

Many people live where they live entirely by choice though.
If I had the money and financial means to live waaaaay out of town, an hours walk from the only grocery store in the area, I would GLADLY do without broadband if it meant peace and quiet actually.

Hell I'd go totally offline with a big smile for a house surrounded by shitloads of trees, and a modest woodshop.

I live IN TOWN within range of modern communications by force (disabled).

Anyone that can afford to live in the boonies, likely can afford to find a solution and stop whining.
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Luxury items are by definition luxuries.

I know Netflix doesn't have every movie under the sun. Bummer. They have so damned much though I have had trouble deciding what to watch since I started using them all the same. The selection is massive regardless of what you can say they don't have.

Games, hmm well I buy digital downloads from Matrix Games/Slitherine in a form that 'I' call ideal. Installer, no strings attached, a serial and NO need whatsoever to go online EVER.

It's possible to sell games that way. Heck I OVER SPENT during 2009-2010 and have been trying to pay off my plastic because of it.

I've heard all the arguments about being tethered to an online needed to play requirement though. How many games can you think of, that you liked, that you REALLY still play 3 years past release. Be honest damn it, just don't list me a dozen games you still 'love' even though you never play them.
Thus the ole argument 'what if the company goes out of business' has damned near no merit.

I have walked away from playing some games simply because the creator insists it has to be THEIR way or no way on getting the game. Fine, let it be NO GAME then, and they can forget my money too.

It's the same thing I am telling Hollywood. I am ok with 'get lost' being my reply to their demands.

My life will go on without them. Can they go on without us?

I don't like Steam's methods, but I will tolerate them for now.

I dont like Hollywood's methods, and I have decided to not tolerate them. And the beauty is I don't HAVE to tolerate them. But they DO have to tolerate my response.